1812 50c CBH with not the usual die clash

Herb_T · September 25, 2022 11:30AM

I haven’t seen die clash in the CBH coins that show BEB, at least that is what it looks like to me. If the obverse die headband clashed with the reverse die, would it not leave a recessed letter imprint on the resulting coin on the reverse? These letters are raised.

I circled and indicated the letters i could see, BEB.

Your thoughts?

MrLee · September 25, 2022 11:49AM

"BER" from LIBERTY with is incused.

pursuitofliberty · September 25, 2022 12:17PM

@MrLee is correct

@Herb Remember, when the obverse die, with it's raised letters for LIBERTY, struck the reverse die, it left an indented area on that reverse die from the raised portions of it's design. This then results in the next coin having a raised portion on the reverse from the incuse "damage" to the die.

BustDMs · September 25, 2022 12:22PM

I would guess Overton 107?

Definitely BER.

Herb_T · September 25, 2022 12:28PM

@BustDMs said:
I would guess Overton 107?

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That is what I had it at as well.

Herb_T · September 25, 2022 12:29PM

@pursuitofliberty said:

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@Herb Remember, when the obverse die, with it's raised letters for LIBERTY, struck the reverse die, it left an indented area on that reverse die from the raised portions of it's design. This then results in the next coin having a raised portion on the reverse from the incuse "damage" to the die.

Todd, have you seen die clash with the head band letters transferred? This is a first for me. I have seen a number of CBH with die clash, but not this before.

BustDMs · September 25, 2022 12:35PM

@Herb_T said:

@pursuitofliberty said:

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@Herb Remember, when the obverse die, with it's raised letters for LIBERTY, struck the reverse die, it left an indented area on that reverse die from the raised portions of it's design. This then results in the next coin having a raised portion on the reverse from the incuse "damage" to the die.

Todd, have you seen die clash with the head band letters transferred? This is a first for me. I have seen a number of CBH with die clash, but not this before.

It is relatively common in the 1812-1814 time period. In fact, the 1812 O107 clashed that way multiple times both under the eagles wing and the middle of the shield! See my article in the John Reich Journal which you can read on the Newman Portal.

pursuitofliberty · September 25, 2022 12:42PM

@Herb

@BustDMs (Brad) beat me too it (and frankly he has a far greater breadth of knowledge about CBH's than most of us do), but yes I have seen it also.

LanceNewmanOCC · September 25, 2022 12:45PM

@BustDMs said:
It is relatively common in the 1812-1814 time period. In fact, the 1812 O107 clashed that way multiple times both under the eagles wing and the middle of the shield! See my article in the John Reich Journal which you can read on the Newman Portal.

the first time i saw those letters clashed multiple times in the shield, really blew me away!

Herb_T · September 25, 2022 3:52PM

@BustDMs said:

@Herb_T said:

@pursuitofliberty said:

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@Herb Remember, when the obverse die, with it's raised letters for LIBERTY, struck the reverse die, it left an indented area on that reverse die from the raised portions of it's design. This then results in the next coin having a raised portion on the reverse from the incuse "damage" to the die.

Todd, have you seen die clash with the head band letters transferred? This is a first for me. I have seen a number of CBH with die clash, but not this before.

It is relatively common in the 1812-1814 time period. In fact, the 1812 O107 clashed that way multiple times both under the eagles wing and the middle of the shield! See my article in the John Reich Journal which you can read on the Newman Portal.

Newman Portal? Link?

Herb_T · September 25, 2022 3:54PM

@Herb_T said:

@BustDMs said:
I would guess Overton 107?

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That is what I had it at as well.

I should add, there is no way I could see that little of the coin and come up with the attribute! It’s kind of like guessing the song in one note! I am not worthy!

BustDMs · September 25, 2022 5:30PM

@Herb_T said:

@BustDMs said:

@Herb_T said:

@pursuitofliberty said:

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@Herb Remember, when the obverse die, with it's raised letters for LIBERTY, struck the reverse die, it left an indented area on that reverse die from the raised portions of it's design. This then results in the next coin having a raised portion on the reverse from the incuse "damage" to the die.

Todd, have you seen die clash with the head band letters transferred? This is a first for me. I have seen a number of CBH with die clash, but not this before.

It is relatively common in the 1812-1814 time period. In fact, the 1812 O107 clashed that way multiple times both under the eagles wing and the middle of the shield! See my article in the John Reich Journal which you can read on the Newman Portal.

Newman Portal? Link?

Sorry I’m too stupid to know how to post a link.

Newman numismatic portal google search will get you to the site. Then search john Reich journal brad karoleff author. That should get you the desired result.