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Thoughts on this 1853 A & R quarter...

lkeneficlkenefic Posts: 8,160 ✭✭✭✭✭
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Impressions? Thanks in advance...

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  • BryceMBryceM Posts: 11,802 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks nice to me. Upper VF, I'd think.

  • CatbertCatbert Posts: 7,262 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I like it. Just bought one myself in close to same condition.

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  • ChangeInHistoryChangeInHistory Posts: 3,055 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The wear on the arm, breast and leg look a bit accentuated, but I like the color and think it would XF.

  • lkeneficlkenefic Posts: 8,160 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Does the patch under the Eagle's head and above the left wing look odd to anyone, or am I just seeing things??

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  • lilolmelilolme Posts: 2,675 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @lkenefic said:
    Does the patch under the Eagle's head and above the left wing look odd to anyone, or am I just seeing things??

    I enlarged the photo and that area appears about the same as the areas under the left and right wings with a lighter color near the devices and a darker color near the center of the field area. The area you mention appears to have a couple contact marks.

    When I first looked a the photo I thought it looked as if maybe it was an old dip / light clean with good re-tone / secondary toning. But tilting the screen forward just a little the coin looks lighter and better so I would easily withdraw the first impression. Depends on what the actual true look is.

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  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,405 ✭✭✭✭✭

    XF but too many small marks in the obverse fields for my taste. A good album coin.

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  • The_Dinosaur_ManThe_Dinosaur_Man Posts: 979 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I like it for the type

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  • lkeneficlkenefic Posts: 8,160 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thanks Everyone... appreciate the feedback!

    Collecting: Dansco 7070; Middle Date Large Cents (VF-AU); Box of 20;

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  • OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 7,634 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 6, 2022 4:11PM

    Always loved the arrows and rays!!

  • jesbrokenjesbroken Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Ikenefic I think it looks odd also, but I think both shoulders of Liberty look similar and both are perhaps a photographic anomaly that might be removed with higher quality photos and different lighting. Just an opinion.
    BTW, I love the coin.
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  • Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 11,499 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I like it. Looks to be VF 35-ish.
    So hard to find this type coin with any attractive toning like this one has.

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  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,133 ✭✭✭✭✭

    VF-ish?

    AU-ish depending on how much luster is left under the toning. There are some marks in the fields so it’s probably in the AU-50 range, not much higher.

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  • bsshog40bsshog40 Posts: 3,909 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I like the color. Would probably be a nice album coin. I also think that the damage above America might be borderline "Details".

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  • kazkaz Posts: 9,197 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I like it, think it looks about xf40

  • SmudgeSmudge Posts: 9,567 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Too bad that design was so short lived.

  • KoveKove Posts: 2,038 ✭✭✭✭

    @lkenefic said:
    Does the patch under the Eagle's head and above the left wing look odd to anyone, or am I just seeing things??

    If I really magnify that area, it looks to me like a tiny black crater at the center with metal pushed up around the sides. Kind of like a small nail punch would look. I bought a trade dollar off ebay with a punch like that once. Tough to tell for sure from those photos, though.

  • streeterstreeter Posts: 4,312 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I have a 53a/r coin similar to this with no high point rub and slightly better condition. 150 years of sea green toning and no disturbances.
    It's been graded by 20+ people anywhere from vf to au. I can't figure it out. Needs a real pro to capture the image. I'm not that guy.

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  • fastfreddiefastfreddie Posts: 2,838 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I like yours as 40 but could be more depending on remaining luster. Either way I like it.

    Here is my 40, and 50 by comparison.


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  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,133 ✭✭✭✭✭

    This one is graded MS-61.


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  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,133 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Smudge said:
    Too bad that design was so short lived.

    Yes, but it was not easy to strike and chewed up a lot of dies. Some of the factors for a coin design is, can the mint strike it well, easily, at a reasonable cost?

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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I like it as a low XF.... the area between the head and shoulder does look strange... at first I thought it was repaired.... Magnifying it, I think it is just a minor hit and tarnish. Cheers, RickO

  • CatbertCatbert Posts: 7,262 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @lkenefic My example has a similar obverse toning pattern. See below:

    Click on lower right hand corner for a larger view:
    https://player.vimeo.com/video/745590326

    As stated previously, I think your coin is a nice example.

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  • lkeneficlkenefic Posts: 8,160 ✭✭✭✭✭

    .Thanks for sharing! I'll let you know what it looks like "in hand"...

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  • BryceMBryceM Posts: 11,802 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BillJones said:

    @Smudge said:
    Too bad that design was so short lived.

    Yes, but it was not easy to strike and chewed up a lot of dies. Some of the factors for a coin design is, can the mint strike it well, easily, at a reasonable cost?

    A hugely under-appreciated thing. Barber was a master at this. For de Francisci and St. Gaudens (masters of aesthetics and form), their reach exceeded their grasp, a bit, when it came to coinage. Some (not all by any stretch) of the gosh-blah-ugly designs churned out by the mint these days reflects the realities of efficient industrial mass production.

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