@JoeBanzai said:
We certainly will continue to disagree if you are going to take sportsmanship out of the equation. I guess when all the old timers like me die, no one will care.
When the drug dealers first came up with synthetic cocaine, they claimed successfully that it wasn't illegal because it wasn't actually cocaine. It was still wrong and the government was able to change the laws quickly.
Plus there would seem to be a morals clause in the individual contracts that would cover using illegally obtained substances, either to enhance performance or to just get "high".
We ALL know why the players lied about using steroids, you only need to lie about ANYTHING if you are going to get in trouble for telling the truth.
Any steroid use after 1990 was wrong, end of story.
So, we will never agree on this one. We agree on lots of other stuff though.
We do agree on lots!!!
I am curious. Do you consider steroid use before 1990 wrong?
Also, do you consider HGH use before 2011 wrong?
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Artificially enhancing one's body chemistry seems wrong to me. I was curious about steroids because when I was playing a lot of ball and working out a lot, I didn't see as much improvement as I thought I should have. Steroids were legal at that time, and had I been a professional athlete, I probably would have used them. It would have been legal, but wrong. Even though I smoked cigarettes back then, I knew they were bad for you, even if it wasn't yet proven. I don't know much about HGH, but that seems wrong as well. I didn't need the Surgeon General to tell me cigarettes were bad for me. Bonds, Sosa McGwire etc did not have the ability to accomplish what they did, and since they are still lying about it, I would say they know they were wrong.
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No... He will be behind Bonds, Mcgwire and Sosa ~~~and Bonds will still be King!
See though, back then there were tons and tons of guys in sports taking steroids. But, only 1 of them did what Bonds did. Seems he did have the ability.
McGwire had ability too. McGwire was breaking records from the start. Rookie home run record. McGwire says he worked hard and learned how to hit. He hit 49 as a rookie. He hit a lot more after he learned how to hit. Most guys in sports take time to hit their prime.
I realize Judge broke the rookie home run record too. But, I think Judge is being given these numbers. Maybe to shine a new light on the game. Ya know... like... look, a guy not being accused of taking steroids can do it too. Guys doing stuff like this that gets high viewership in the news brings viewers and fills seats. It's good for baseball to have something spectacular happening.
Lots of guys hype professional wrestlers on this board.
I was "surprised" to see all 4 corners appearing touched on this PSA 10...was this a "4sharpcorners" submission or your own? Sorry to judge--no pun intended.
@craig44 said:
of course Judge will not be the "New" home run king unless he hits 74. it seems quite unlikely at this point.
people seem to forget that Steroids were not banned from use in MLB until 2005. HGH was not banned until 2011. that is when the collectively bargained agreements between MLB and MLBPA went into effect respectively. before then, PED were not against the rules, anymore than any other supplement that could be purchased over the counter.
remember, just because a player uses a supplement that is within the rules at one time and then at a later date the same supplement is considered a PED does not make the player a "cheater" or "dirty" Take the example of Mike Piazza. He admittedly used Andro when it was not on the banned list of MLB. later, after his career ended, Andro was added to the banned list. He is currently a member of the HOF. is he a "cheater"?
That Piazza dilemma has never been satisfactorily answered. He may not have been a cheater if he didn't break any laws in place...but he gained the same competitive advantage that is tarnishing the reputation of others who officially 'cheated' by breaking the rule...and in the end, for baseball fans, it is the competitive advantage that has everyone up in arms, not the fact that they broke a rule.
@craig44 said:
of course Judge will not be the "New" home run king unless he hits 74. it seems quite unlikely at this point.
people seem to forget that Steroids were not banned from use in MLB until 2005. HGH was not banned until 2011. that is when the collectively bargained agreements between MLB and MLBPA went into effect respectively. before then, PED were not against the rules, anymore than any other supplement that could be purchased over the counter.
remember, just because a player uses a supplement that is within the rules at one time and then at a later date the same supplement is considered a PED does not make the player a "cheater" or "dirty" Take the example of Mike Piazza. He admittedly used Andro when it was not on the banned list of MLB. later, after his career ended, Andro was added to the banned list. He is currently a member of the HOF. is he a "cheater"?
That Piazza dilemma has never been satisfactorily answered. He may not have been a cheater if he didn't break any laws in place...but he gained the same competitive advantage that is tarnishing the reputation of others who officially 'cheated' by breaking the rule...and in the end, for baseball fans, it is the competitive advantage that has everyone up in arms, not the fact that they broke a rule.
Very true about the "Piazza dilemma" it has never been satisfactorily answered. He is not the only one either. Jeff Bagwell also admitted using Andro back in 1998. He, like Piazza, is also a member of the MLB HOF. I would highly suspect Biggio as well as he admitted to creatine use in the 90's. while creatine is not the same animal, andro sure seems like the logical next step in the progression. I cannot officially name Biggio as an andro user, as i have not yet seen it reported.
there will always be things added to banned substance lists after athletes retire. It is in no way correct to punish them in arrears for using substances that were not on the list when they played.
Aaron Judge currently has an OPS+ of "213"......... Players who have never had in excess of 200 OPS+ in their careers in a season??? ~Mike Trout, Hank Aaron, Willie Mays, Albert Pujols, Ken Griffey, Jr. and Roberto Clemente.......to name a few....
@ScoobyDoo2 said:
Aaron Judge currently has an OPS+ of "213"......... Players who have never had in excess of 200 OPS+ in their careers in a season??? ~Mike Trout, Hank Aaron, Willie Mays, Albert Pujols, Ken Griffey, Jr. and Roberto Clemente.......to name a few....
It just goes to show how special a player Barry Bonds was. His OPS+ was higher every year from 2001 to 2004. Last time a player had a higher OPS+ was Soto in 2020.
Last no doubt clean full season (502 PA) was Brett in 1980! I offer no opinion about 1992, 1993 Bonds and 1994 Thomas and Bagwell.
@ScoobyDoo2 said:
Aaron Judge currently has an OPS+ of "213"......... Players who have never had in excess of 200 OPS+ in their careers in a season??? ~Mike Trout, Hank Aaron, Willie Mays, Albert Pujols, Ken Griffey, Jr. and Roberto Clemente.......to name a few....
As always, I discount Negro Leagues stats because I don't believe they are complete, but other than Norm Cash (201 in 1961) every player since Ross Barnes and George Hall in 1876 either has special circumstances or is in the HoF who has had a 200+ season. We all know why Juan Soto isn't in the HoF, for example.
@ScoobyDoo2 said:
Aaron Judge currently has an OPS+ of "213"......... Players who have never had in excess of 200 OPS+ in their careers in a season??? ~Mike Trout, Hank Aaron, Willie Mays, Albert Pujols, Ken Griffey, Jr. and Roberto Clemente.......to name a few....
It just goes to show how special a player Barry Bonds was. His OPS+ was higher every year from 2001 to 2004. Last time a player had a higher OPS+ was Soto in 2020.
Last no doubt clean full season (502 PA) was Brett in 1980! I offer no opinion about 1992, 1993 Bonds and 1994 Thomas and Bagwell.
Bonds was insane. His CAREER metrics are almost what judge is doing this season. Bonds had a CAREER 182 OPS+, 1.051 OPS
Judge has only been IBB 17 times this season. that would be good enough for Bonds 17th best season.
@ScoobyDoo2 said:
Aaron Judge currently has an OPS+ of "213"......... Players who have never had in excess of 200 OPS+ in their careers in a season??? ~Mike Trout, Hank Aaron, Willie Mays, Albert Pujols, Ken Griffey, Jr. and Roberto Clemente.......to name a few....
. We all know why Juan Soto isn't in the HoF, for example.
Very true about the "Piazza dilemma" it has never been satisfactorily answered. He is not the only one either. Jeff Bagwell also admitted using Andro back in 1998. He, like Piazza, is also a member of the MLB HOF. I would highly suspect Biggio as well as he admitted to creatine use in the 90's. while creatine is not the same animal, andro sure seems like the logical next step in the progression. I cannot officially name Biggio as an andro user, as i have not yet seen it reported.
Andro was legal in MLB back then so that doesn't count. And I saw how Aaron's 61st tater ties the "AL record" according to the news stories announcing it...and I didn't think anyone cared about NL/AL records anymore...
Very true about the "Piazza dilemma" it has never been satisfactorily answered. He is not the only one either. Jeff Bagwell also admitted using Andro back in 1998. He, like Piazza, is also a member of the MLB HOF. I would highly suspect Biggio as well as he admitted to creatine use in the 90's. while creatine is not the same animal, andro sure seems like the logical next step in the progression. I cannot officially name Biggio as an andro user, as i have not yet seen it reported.
Andro was legal in MLB back then so that doesn't count. And I saw how Aaron's 61st tater ties the "AL record" according to the news stories announcing it...and I didn't think anyone cared about NL/AL records anymore...
Correct, Andro was not on the banned substance list pre 2005. Steroids and HGH were also not on the banned list pre 2005.
are we safe to assume that those substances also "dont count?"
I agree about not caring about AL/NL records. they really dont matter much to me either.
No... He will be behind Bonds, Mcgwire and Sosa ~~~and Bonds will still be King!
what happens if a suppliment that is included in Aaron Judges regimen today (and he, like all other players, have a suppliment regimen) is added to the banned substance list 14 years from now?
Does that make him a Cheater? would he still be considered a "clean" player?
Correct, Andro was not on the banned substance list pre 2005. Steroids and HGH were also not on the banned list pre 2005.
are we safe to assume that those substances also "dont count?"
I agree about not caring about AL/NL records. they really dont matter much to me either.
Correct. If the player was not breaking any rules/laws at the time, then it wouldn't really be fair to fault them for it...that's why in the Constitution we have the ex post facto clause. Though as far as for real actual steroids aren't those in fact illegal drugs IIRC? I mean obviously you can't get them OTC and I can't imagine any for real ethical doctor would actually try to prescribe them...right?
Oh no no no, it's not about whether I care or you care about NL/AL records I'm talking about things like baseball cards, books (sometimes they came as separate NL/AL volumes), sportscasters and the like making those distinctions. Though in this century I reckon the NL/AL are now pretty much LINOs (no, not the Thundercats character, but Leagues In Name Only).
Correct, Andro was not on the banned substance list pre 2005. Steroids and HGH were also not on the banned list pre 2005.
are we safe to assume that those substances also "dont count?"
I agree about not caring about AL/NL records. they really dont matter much to me either.
Correct. If the player was not breaking any rules/laws at the time, then it wouldn't really be fair to fault them for it...that's why in the Constitution we have the ex post facto clause. Though as far as for real actual steroids aren't those in fact illegal drugs IIRC? I mean obviously you can't get them OTC and I can't imagine any for real ethical doctor would actually try to prescribe them...right?
Steroids became illegal without a doctor's prescription in 1990. Regardless of baseballs collective bargaining agreement, taking illegal drugs to improve performance was cheating.
Before 1990 is a different story.
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Correct, Andro was not on the banned substance list pre 2005. Steroids and HGH were also not on the banned list pre 2005.
are we safe to assume that those substances also "dont count?"
I agree about not caring about AL/NL records. they really dont matter much to me either.
Correct. If the player was not breaking any rules/laws at the time, then it wouldn't really be fair to fault them for it...that's why in the Constitution we have the ex post facto clause. Though as far as for real actual steroids aren't those in fact illegal drugs IIRC? I mean obviously you can't get them OTC and I can't imagine any for real ethical doctor would actually try to prescribe them...right?
Steroids became illegal without a doctor's prescription in 1990. Regardless of baseballs collective bargaining agreement, taking illegal drugs to improve performance was cheating.
Before 1990 is a different story.
it is legal to import what is considered personal use amounts (<50 doses) of controlled substances (scedule II and III) into the US as long as you have a valid prescription according to the US exemption authority 21 USC 956. this is how so many bodybuilders obtain anabolic steroids. Mexican doctor prescribes the drugs, purchase a personal use amount, off you go. It has always been possible to legally use steroids in the US. it is illegal to import/possess more than what is considered personal use amounts. they basically dont want drug dealers pushing steroids. though one would have to travel frequently to the foreign pharmacy, the cost for a professional athlete would seemingly not be a hardship. there are also EU countries where steroids can be legally prescribed and purchased.
for you, is something only considered "cheating" if it is illegal? your last statement "before 1990 is a different story" threw me.
No... He will be behind Bonds, Mcgwire and Sosa ~~~and Bonds will still be King!
@JoeBanzai said:
The subject has been beaten to death. After 1990, steroids were illegal, so Bonds, Sosa and McGwire cheated.
I just gave you one example of how steroids could be obtained and ingested legally. I am sure there are other ways as well.
people also obtain and use recreational marijuana in my state legally, yet are not arrested by the fed even though there is officially a federal law prohibiting its use. are those people criminals? (to add, I am not one of those people)
I am beginning to feel you have a steroid mantra that you are repeating, but not truly thinking about why.
to better understand your view, is it breaking federal law in your view that makes a player either a "cheater" or not? So if a player used steroids on December 31, 1989 they would not be "cheating" but if they used one day later they are a cheater?
Your examples are nothing like what these guys did.
To answer your final question, the day after steroids were declared an illegal drug, they were illegal, before that they were not. Not going to look up when that date was.
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@JoeBanzai said:
Your examples are nothing like what these guys did.
How in the world would you know? I just gave you one example of how a person could obtain steroids and not be violating the law. that would mean that pre 2005 a player could simultaneously be both not in violation of both federal law and the rules of MLB.
What are the odds that the Rangers serve up some BP pitches to Judge tomorrow to get him the record like Favre did for Michael Strahan. I really hope that doesn't happen.
@1all said:
What are the odds that the Rangers serve up some BP pitches to Judge tomorrow to get him the record like Favre did for Michael Strahan. I really hope that doesn't happen.
The result of Ranges vs. Yankees doesn't have much standings relevance, and I think there is a decent statistical probability of there being more than a couple pitchers in the MLB who would through some easy ones right down the middle in exchange for being memorialized in the record books as the pitcher off of which the 62nd HR was hit, given that the win vs. loss doesn't make too much difference. I'm not saying they're right to do so, but I am saying that the concept (difficult if not impossible to prove) wouldn't surprise me.
@1all said:
What are the odds that the Rangers serve up some BP pitches to Judge tomorrow to get him the record like Favre did for Michael Strahan. I really hope that doesn't happen.
Read how Denny McClain served up a gift pitch for home run #535 to Mantle in 1968.
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No... He will be behind Bonds, Mcgwire and Sosa ~~~and Bonds will still be King!
@craig44 said:
the local radio guys were talking about how #62 was grooved up there on a silver platter for Judge to smash. dont know if there is any truth to it.
You mean like most of Albert's pitches this season? LOL
Judge definitely saw his share of meatballs this month.
I can't understand the Maris Junior links. Did Maris Junior play professional baseball at any level? Respectfully who cares what Roger Maris Junior thinks! He has no credibility and I can't wait for him to go away and never reappear. He is just some famous guys son. What's next, should we start listening to Jaden Smith?
I still consider Judge the HR King.
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See though, back then there were tons and tons of guys in sports taking steroids. But, only 1 of them did what Bonds did. Seems he did have the ability.
McGwire had ability too. McGwire was breaking records from the start. Rookie home run record. McGwire says he worked hard and learned how to hit. He hit 49 as a rookie. He hit a lot more after he learned how to hit. Most guys in sports take time to hit their prime.
I realize Judge broke the rookie home run record too. But, I think Judge is being given these numbers. Maybe to shine a new light on the game. Ya know... like... look, a guy not being accused of taking steroids can do it too. Guys doing stuff like this that gets high viewership in the news brings viewers and fills seats. It's good for baseball to have something spectacular happening.
Lots of guys hype professional wrestlers on this board.
I think Judge is being given these numbers.
WTpoptarts does that mean? only on the interwebs
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I bought 6 Aaron Judge rookie cards this week. Nothing graded because his stuff is hot right now and might go down, but I had to get in there.
Sports entertainment. Much like WWE. Less smack talking.
Judge crushes #58 against the Brew- ha's 2017 heritage /5 ... pop. 1/1
59 HR's and only 1 single point in average away from leading all Triple Crown Category's.
Ohtani pitched a nice game the other night, Angels still firmly entrenched in 4th place!
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Judge wallops #59 ~. best "clean" season I've ever seen and I am a youthful 52. Triple Crown will just add the bow tie....
Yes pending drug tests results.
The photo of Aaron above hurt my brain. This is better.
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I was "surprised" to see all 4 corners appearing touched on this PSA 10...was this a "4sharpcorners" submission or your own? Sorry to judge--no pun intended.
@secretstash ... I have no idea who submitted the card ~ I did purchase it several years ago for a few hundred perhaps....
That Piazza dilemma has never been satisfactorily answered. He may not have been a cheater if he didn't break any laws in place...but he gained the same competitive advantage that is tarnishing the reputation of others who officially 'cheated' by breaking the rule...and in the end, for baseball fans, it is the competitive advantage that has everyone up in arms, not the fact that they broke a rule.
Very true about the "Piazza dilemma" it has never been satisfactorily answered. He is not the only one either. Jeff Bagwell also admitted using Andro back in 1998. He, like Piazza, is also a member of the MLB HOF. I would highly suspect Biggio as well as he admitted to creatine use in the 90's. while creatine is not the same animal, andro sure seems like the logical next step in the progression. I cannot officially name Biggio as an andro user, as i have not yet seen it reported.
there will always be things added to banned substance lists after athletes retire. It is in no way correct to punish them in arrears for using substances that were not on the list when they played.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
Aaron Judge currently has an OPS+ of "213"......... Players who have never had in excess of 200 OPS+ in their careers in a season??? ~Mike Trout, Hank Aaron, Willie Mays, Albert Pujols, Ken Griffey, Jr. and Roberto Clemente.......to name a few....
It just goes to show how special a player Barry Bonds was. His OPS+ was higher every year from 2001 to 2004. Last time a player had a higher OPS+ was Soto in 2020.
Last no doubt clean full season (502 PA) was Brett in 1980! I offer no opinion about 1992, 1993 Bonds and 1994 Thomas and Bagwell.
As always, I discount Negro Leagues stats because I don't believe they are complete, but other than Norm Cash (201 in 1961) every player since Ross Barnes and George Hall in 1876 either has special circumstances or is in the HoF who has had a 200+ season. We all know why Juan Soto isn't in the HoF, for example.
Judge direct deposits #60 vs. Pirates in a 5 run 9th inning comeback.....
Bonds was insane. His CAREER metrics are almost what judge is doing this season. Bonds had a CAREER 182 OPS+, 1.051 OPS
Judge has only been IBB 17 times this season. that would be good enough for Bonds 17th best season.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
If Judge did Barry Bonds' cocktail of roids and cream he'd hit 90......
Well, and Soto's season was just 47 games.
how do you know what judge is or is not on?
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
If they can't test for it they may as well legalize it.
Judge buries #61 ......
Awesome time!!
Roger Maris, Jr. on Judge tying 61st homer.....
https://www.audacy.com/wfan/sports/yankees/yankees-aaron-judge-61-home-runs-roger-maris-jr-steroids
https://nypost.com/2022/09/29/roger-maris-jr-clean-aaron-judge-will-be-real-homer-champ/
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/roger-maris-jr-discredits-barry-033210529.html
Andro was legal in MLB back then so that doesn't count. And I saw how Aaron's 61st tater ties the "AL record" according to the news stories announcing it...and I didn't think anyone cared about NL/AL records anymore...
D's: 54S,53P,50P,49S,45D+S,44S,43D,41S,40D+S,39D+S,38D+S,37D+S,36S,35D+S,all 16-34's
Q's: 52S,47S,46S,40S,39S,38S,37D+S,36D+S,35D,34D,32D+S
74T: 37,38,47,151,193,241,435,570,610,654,655 97 Finest silver: 115,135,139,145,310
73T:31,55,61,62,63,64,65,66,67,68,80,152,165,189,213,235,237,257,341,344,377,379,390,422,433,453,480,497,545,554,563,580,606,613,630
95 Ultra GM Sets: Golden Prospects,HR Kings,On-Base Leaders,Power Plus,RBI Kings,Rising Stars
Correct, Andro was not on the banned substance list pre 2005. Steroids and HGH were also not on the banned list pre 2005.
are we safe to assume that those substances also "dont count?"
I agree about not caring about AL/NL records. they really dont matter much to me either.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
what happens if a suppliment that is included in Aaron Judges regimen today (and he, like all other players, have a suppliment regimen) is added to the banned substance list 14 years from now?
Does that make him a Cheater? would he still be considered a "clean" player?
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
Correct. If the player was not breaking any rules/laws at the time, then it wouldn't really be fair to fault them for it...that's why in the Constitution we have the ex post facto clause. Though as far as for real actual steroids aren't those in fact illegal drugs IIRC? I mean obviously you can't get them OTC and I can't imagine any for real ethical doctor would actually try to prescribe them...right?
Oh no no no, it's not about whether I care or you care about NL/AL records I'm talking about things like baseball cards, books (sometimes they came as separate NL/AL volumes), sportscasters and the like making those distinctions. Though in this century I reckon the NL/AL are now pretty much LINOs (no, not the Thundercats character, but Leagues In Name Only).
D's: 54S,53P,50P,49S,45D+S,44S,43D,41S,40D+S,39D+S,38D+S,37D+S,36S,35D+S,all 16-34's
Q's: 52S,47S,46S,40S,39S,38S,37D+S,36D+S,35D,34D,32D+S
74T: 37,38,47,151,193,241,435,570,610,654,655 97 Finest silver: 115,135,139,145,310
73T:31,55,61,62,63,64,65,66,67,68,80,152,165,189,213,235,237,257,341,344,377,379,390,422,433,453,480,497,545,554,563,580,606,613,630
95 Ultra GM Sets: Golden Prospects,HR Kings,On-Base Leaders,Power Plus,RBI Kings,Rising Stars
Steroids became illegal without a doctor's prescription in 1990. Regardless of baseballs collective bargaining agreement, taking illegal drugs to improve performance was cheating.
Before 1990 is a different story.
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it is legal to import what is considered personal use amounts (<50 doses) of controlled substances (scedule II and III) into the US as long as you have a valid prescription according to the US exemption authority 21 USC 956. this is how so many bodybuilders obtain anabolic steroids. Mexican doctor prescribes the drugs, purchase a personal use amount, off you go. It has always been possible to legally use steroids in the US. it is illegal to import/possess more than what is considered personal use amounts. they basically dont want drug dealers pushing steroids. though one would have to travel frequently to the foreign pharmacy, the cost for a professional athlete would seemingly not be a hardship. there are also EU countries where steroids can be legally prescribed and purchased.
for you, is something only considered "cheating" if it is illegal? your last statement "before 1990 is a different story" threw me.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
The subject has been beaten to death. After 1990, steroids were illegal, so Bonds, Sosa and McGwire cheated.
I just gave you one example of how steroids could be obtained and ingested legally. I am sure there are other ways as well.
people also obtain and use recreational marijuana in my state legally, yet are not arrested by the fed even though there is officially a federal law prohibiting its use. are those people criminals? (to add, I am not one of those people)
I am beginning to feel you have a steroid mantra that you are repeating, but not truly thinking about why.
to better understand your view, is it breaking federal law in your view that makes a player either a "cheater" or not? So if a player used steroids on December 31, 1989 they would not be "cheating" but if they used one day later they are a cheater?
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
Your examples are nothing like what these guys did.
To answer your final question, the day after steroids were declared an illegal drug, they were illegal, before that they were not. Not going to look up when that date was.
How in the world would you know? I just gave you one example of how a person could obtain steroids and not be violating the law. that would mean that pre 2005 a player could simultaneously be both not in violation of both federal law and the rules of MLB.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
What are the odds that the Rangers serve up some BP pitches to Judge tomorrow to get him the record like Favre did for Michael Strahan. I really hope that doesn't happen.
The result of Ranges vs. Yankees doesn't have much standings relevance, and I think there is a decent statistical probability of there being more than a couple pitchers in the MLB who would through some easy ones right down the middle in exchange for being memorialized in the record books as the pitcher off of which the 62nd HR was hit, given that the win vs. loss doesn't make too much difference. I'm not saying they're right to do so, but I am saying that the concept (difficult if not impossible to prove) wouldn't surprise me.
The Sledgehammer rips #62 ........Congrats to the class act that is Aaron Judge..... the man transcends MLB like few athletes do ....
They need a 1958 Topps Vs of the Judge. And 1961
Read how Denny McClain served up a gift pitch for home run #535 to Mantle in 1968.
Undisputed!!! YAY!!!
Live long, and prosper.
Thought it would be good to look at the updated single season hitting
records for the AL and NL - Congratulations Aaron Judge!
Home Runs
NL Barry Bonds 73
AL Aaron Judge 62
RBI
NL Hack Wilson 191
AL Lou Gehrig 173
Hits
NL Bill Terry 254
AL Ichiro Suzuki 262
Stolen Bases
NL Lou Brock 118
AL Rickey Henderson 130
Some incredible names on the list above.
Aaron Judge dealing with hecklers in the Outfield.......
https://youtube.com/shorts/DKVwxfip7yM?feature=share
the local radio guys were talking about how #62 was grooved up there on a silver platter for Judge to smash. dont know if there is any truth to it.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
You mean like most of Albert's pitches this season? LOL
Judge definitely saw his share of meatballs this month.
I can't understand the Maris Junior links. Did Maris Junior play professional baseball at any level? Respectfully who cares what Roger Maris Junior thinks! He has no credibility and I can't wait for him to go away and never reappear. He is just some famous guys son. What's next, should we start listening to Jaden Smith?
I still consider Judge the HR King.
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Some things are done "for the good of the game" I guess. 88 MPH Belt-High "Slider" down the middle> @craig44 said:
Yea, it was an 88mph waist high "slider" center of the plate. Could have just been a mistake pitch that Judge took advantage of.