Not something I hate, but I do find puzzling is the idea that offering a coin for sale at a price higher than what's indicated in price guides means it's overpriced. If the price guide is correct, then prices would never change. Prices do change, however, which indicates that guides can't be depended on to reflect current market values.
@Dreamcrusher said:
1. The term "First Strike."
2. Cable Shopping Network.
The cable shopping network can be entertaining at times. One night I almost fell out of my chair laughing when one of the "experts," who is more like a carnival barker, told "the marks" that Platinum plated State Quarters were "a great investment."
Yeah too bad for all the sheep that get ripped off by them. Entertaining? Certainly NOT fun watching people being scammed, at least in the REAL world. RGDS!
@Dreamcrusher said:
1. The term "First Strike."
2. Cable Shopping Network.
The cable shopping network can be entertaining at times. One night I almost fell out of my chair laughing when one of the "experts," who is more like a carnival barker, told "the marks" that Platinum plated State Quarters were "a great investment."
Yeah too bad for all the sheep that get ripped off by them. Entertaining? Certainly NOT fun watching people being scammed, at least in the REAL world. RGDS!
And do you expect me to do about them? If they come here or most any other collectors” forum and ask about plated State Quarters, they would read the truth. But sometimes these guys can’t handle the truth.
One time a guy came to my local club with a Chinese counterfeit Bust Dollar he had “ripped” from the Internet for $200. When I told to him that it was a counterfeit and explained what was wrong with it, he got angry with me. You know what they say about leading horses to water.
Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
@Dreamcrusher said:
1. The term "First Strike."
2. Cable Shopping Network.
The cable shopping network can be entertaining at times. One night I almost fell out of my chair laughing when one of the "experts," who is more like a carnival barker, told "the marks" that Platinum plated State Quarters were "a great investment."
Yeah too bad for all the sheep that get ripped off by them. Entertaining? Certainly NOT fun watching people being scammed, at least in the REAL world. RGDS!
And do you expect me to do about them? If they come here or most any other collectors” forum and ask about plated State Quarters, they would read the truth. But sometimes these guys can’t handle the truth.
One time a guy came to my local club with a Chinese counterfeit Bust Dollar he had “ripped” from the Internet for $200. When I told to him that it was a counterfeit and explained what was wrong with it, he got angry with me. You know what they say about leading horses to water.
It's more like shooting the messenger delivering bad news. I'm sure this happens to B&M coin shop owners all the time.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
I do not 'hate' anything about the hobby. I do find some aspects unpleasant though. Probably the most unpleasant is when inexperienced individuals argue with the experts over a particular coins attributes or authenticity. Sad to watch. Cheers, RickO
@alaura22 said:
Things I hate:
1- When someone sells there coin and doesn't remove it from the registry
2-Coins without CAC stickers
I hate when people don't know the difference between "their" and "there".
I hate average meh coins that are grossly overpriced just because they have a CAC sticker.
I really don't like when people call me out for my grammar ........
People that "Assume" that CAC coins are overpriced!
Know it all people who wreck coin clubs. I am leaving my local club because of that.
Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
Hate is kind of a strong word for this.
But I’d have to agree with those that have a very strong distaste for those carnival barker types on TV.
Geez, my own son bought a bunch of rolls of common modern nickels from on of those outfits when he was just a teen- wasting his hard earned money! And I was close by, unknowing, and he didn’t even ask me first ;-(.
He thought he was making a cool investment, on his own, and that I might be later impressed. Pretty sad really.
Happy, humble, honored and proud recipient of the “You Suck” award 10/22/2014
Coin shops that are nothing more than bullion pawn shops.
Example: They buy ASE's $2 below spot and sell $17 over spot.
Everything and everybody is behind 1 inch plexiglass, no raw
coins to search, just a lot of slabbed coins with "CLEANED/UNC DETAILS" labels.
Ebay sellers who don't answer your email asking a question about
the coin they are selling. The ones that do answer are honest enough
to tell you they don't know what your talking about but claim to be
coin dealers.
Slabbed coins with PVC damage, finger prints, or some sort of 'skin cancer' that
has damaged the coin surface. All coins should be sterilized before encapsulation
or outright rejected using more stringent guidelines regarding damage.
Finding a damaged encapsulated coin should entitle the owner to have
it re-slabbed for free by the issuing grading company.
All slabbed coins should be attributed as part of the grading
fee. Varieties/attribution is a BIG PART of the hobby! Support it
grading houses!!!
Self adhesive 2" X 2" s that separate after six months or sooner even
while stored in an environmentally controlled safes.
Labelled up slabs with labeled *STARS, and CAC/MAC stickers that supports the mentality
of "buy the slab, not the coin" and greed.
@No Headlights said:
The guy who posts photos of miniscule impairments of coins on the humor page, and then uses his huge imagination to tell us what they are.
From an older movie, "The Magic of Belle Island." A quote from Monte Wildhorn (Morgan Freeman):
"Telephones are a damn nuisance. I've got no use for them. And them people on cell phones oughta be shot in the street."
1) buying a coin with no meat on the bone.
2) selling a coin with no meat on the bone.
I dislike bare bones. Who wants to be upside down in their hobby ? A good deal is when both buyer and seller are smiling.
@Pickwickjr said:
1 = dishonest people
2= people with big egos
@rokky said:
Viewing somebody’s ugly digits when showing pics of a coin. Ewhhh! I think I’m going to be sick!!
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>
This was a close third people with bad hygiene. People that don’t use deodorant or cut there figure nails.
That's a woman holding that coin and she has normal length "figure nails" for a woman. At least they're clean unlike some eBay pics that I've seen.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
@No Headlights said:
The guy who posts photos of miniscule impairments of coins on the humor page, and then uses his huge imagination to tell us what they are.
From an older movie, "The Magic of Belle Island." A quote from Monte Wildhorn (Morgan Freeman):
"Telephones are a damn nuisance. I've got no use for them. And them people on cell phones oughta be shot in the street."
Dealers that won't turn over their inventory (this includes ebay listings that have been up over 3 years). You can get a freaking PhD in the time it takes some people to sell a single coin.
Finding a hair on the inside of the coin capsule you just got from the mint.
Luckily it wasn't making contact with one of my 2022-S ASE and was able to remove it.
When you open a box from the mint and a coin is literally rattling inside after having it sit for 11 months.
That was the 2021 type 2 reverse proof ASE. I got it back in the capsule. I believe I dodged a bullet on this one. I didn't see any scuffs or scrapes on it after looking at it with a 20x loupe.
Throw a coin enough times, and suppose one day it lands on its edge.
@ricko said:
I do not 'hate' anything about the hobby. I do find some aspects unpleasant though. Probably the most unpleasant is when inexperienced individuals argue with the experts over a particular coins attributes or authenticity. Sad to watch. Cheers, RickO
That would be annoying. I don’t know everything, and generally will admit that. @ricko and other members of these forums have helped me a ton!
1) Pointless, valueless stickers
2) That the supposed "leadership" of the hobby (TPG, auction houses and dealers) support the sticker game (aka ignorance) out of absolutely nothing other than financial greed.
@ElmerFusterpuck said:
1) Blast white slabbed F to XF silver coins, blecch!
2) Ebay sellers that juice their images by turning up the juice knobs to 11.
Not just eBay sellers. PCGS Trueview does this as well.
@Starpine said:
1) Pointless, valueless stickers
2) That the supposed "leadership" of the hobby (TPG, auction houses and dealers) support the sticker game (aka ignorance) out of absolutely nothing other than financial greed.
Shameful!
Welcome to the board.
Let's hope you have other contributions to make that aren't focused on your dislike for CAC and those who appreciate their services. The last CAC hating troll thas been banned repeatedly.
Seated Half Society member #38 "Got a flaming heart, can't get my fill"
2) Cherrypicks that you screwed up on and realize they aren't cherrypicks.
I guess the coin hobby gives you a pretty darn good education - patience and humility. Huh.
My personal dislikes about the hobby?
First that in my case I didn't do much research before buying my first coins. I wish I'd have lurked here for a year or so BEFORE I ever bought a single coin. I bought too soon and learned stuff afterwards (hopefully I learned a little since I started).
Second dislike is that it took me a few years to realize what @FlyingAl just said above.
2) Cherrypicks that you screwed up on and realize they aren't cherrypicks.
I guess the coin hobby gives you a pretty darn good education - patience and humility. Huh.
My personal dislikes about the hobby?
First that in my case I didn't do much research before buying my first coins. I wish I'd have lurked here for a year or so BEFORE I ever bought a single coin. I bought too soon and learned stuff afterwards (hopefully I learned a little since I started).
Second dislike is that it took me a few years to realize what @FlyingAl just said above.
Find a mentor or two, preferably a collector and dealer.
I may be a boy scout and hopelessly naive, but I believe that hobbies should primarily be about core principles with the objective to be enjoyed by as many as possible while minimizing harms. A dealer was boasting about meeting with other dealers who talked about their "rips" from sellers, like taking candy from a baby. If trust breaks down with dealers, where can the customers go, the forums?
On the other hand I see far too many aggressive sellers who demand more and more money for their material that usually has serious grade limiting problems. With one customer I went to his house numerous times, many many hours of review of what he had, which was largely mint and proof sets and he showed little gratitude and left no review.
@rokky said:
Viewing somebody’s ugly digits when showing pics of a coin. Ewhhh! I think I’m going to be sick!!
>
>
Take a bath facrissake!
USAF (Ret) 1974 - 1994 - The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries. Remembering RickO, a brother in arms.
@Starpine said:
1) Pointless, valueless stickers
2) That the supposed "leadership" of the hobby (TPG, auction houses and dealers) support the sticker game (aka ignorance) out of absolutely nothing other than financial greed.
Shameful!
When people see new posters leading the gripe parade... they usually ask, "what was your old user name?".
I, on the other hand, accept things for how they are, knowing every aspect of life can be improved, yet praise the leadership in the industry. Without them, I'd have no hobby to complain about, that allows me to have many highs along with some lows.
@logger7 said:
I may be a boy scout and hopelessly naive, but I believe that hobbies should primarily be about core principles with the objective to be enjoyed by as many as possible while minimizing harms. A dealer was boasting about meeting with other dealers who talked about their "rips" from sellers, like taking candy from a baby. If trust breaks down with dealers, where can the customers go, the forums?
On the other hand I see far too many aggressive sellers who demand more and more money for their material that usually has serious grade limiting problems. With one customer I went to his house numerous times, many many hours of review of what he had, which was largely mint and proof sets and he showed little gratitude and left no review.
Perhaps you set your expectations of people too high?
I expect little and I'm seldom disappointed.
Cynical? Yes. Not doing the research. Overpaying for grade, quality, or selling for too little , it's all on me. I have no one else to blame and I get angry at myself.
I try to look at the world for how it is not how I wish it would be.
Heck, we're all different and we view the world so differently.
The major grading service that will slab anything, and the grade will simply be "uncirculated" or "MS'
The other major grading service that does the same...
#1: DISHONESTY! While some will get away with it for a spell, it will eventually catch up with them. And I LOVE when it does.
#2: (See #1)
USAF (Ret) 1974 - 1994 - The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries. Remembering RickO, a brother in arms.
@Pickwickjr said:
1 = dishonest people
2= people with big egos
@rokky said:
Viewing somebody’s ugly digits when showing pics of a coin. Ewhhh! I think I’m going to be sick!!
>
>
This was a close third people with bad hygiene. People that don’t use deodorant or cut there figure nails.
That's a woman holding that coin and she has normal length "figure nails" for a woman. At least they're clean unlike some eBay pics that I've seen.
There is no way in h e double scribble that that is a woman’s hand! 🤣😂 Unless she’s a big hairy one with other manly features, knuckles dragging on the ground 😂🤣😝
1)That so many people are buying just to flip, rather then enjoying their coins and actually collecting- holding. I don't know why, but the concept annoys me.
2) As noted, nasty fingernails in photos. As if you need more proof that there aren't enough women in the hobby!
3) Using the phrase "shot (insert grade here)" as a selling point. I think if you are using that you should do the dirty work yourself and get upgraded. Just being facetious here...
Comments
Not something I hate, but I do find puzzling is the idea that offering a coin for sale at a price higher than what's indicated in price guides means it's overpriced. If the price guide is correct, then prices would never change. Prices do change, however, which indicates that guides can't be depended on to reflect current market values.
Yeah too bad for all the sheep that get ripped off by them. Entertaining? Certainly NOT fun watching people being scammed, at least in the REAL world. RGDS!
1.) Juiced photos.
2.) Mustard stains.
And do you expect me to do about them? If they come here or most any other collectors” forum and ask about plated State Quarters, they would read the truth. But sometimes these guys can’t handle the truth.
One time a guy came to my local club with a Chinese counterfeit Bust Dollar he had “ripped” from the Internet for $200. When I told to him that it was a counterfeit and explained what was wrong with it, he got angry with me. You know what they say about leading horses to water.
It's more like shooting the messenger delivering bad news. I'm sure this happens to B&M coin shop owners all the time.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
I do not 'hate' anything about the hobby. I do find some aspects unpleasant though. Probably the most unpleasant is when inexperienced individuals argue with the experts over a particular coins attributes or authenticity. Sad to watch. Cheers, RickO
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Q's: 52S,47S,46S,40S,39S,38S,37D+S,36D+S,35D,34D,32D+S
74T: 241,435,610,654 97 Finest silver: 115,135,139,145,310
73T:31,55,61,62,63,64,65,66,67,68,80,152,165,189,213,235,237,257,341,344,377,379,390,422,433,453,480,497,545,554,563,580,606,613,630
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Know it all people who wreck coin clubs. I am leaving my local club because of that.
Hate is kind of a strong word for this.
But I’d have to agree with those that have a very strong distaste for those carnival barker types on TV.
Geez, my own son bought a bunch of rolls of common modern nickels from on of those outfits when he was just a teen- wasting his hard earned money! And I was close by, unknowing, and he didn’t even ask me first ;-(.
He thought he was making a cool investment, on his own, and that I might be later impressed. Pretty sad really.
Happy, humble, honored and proud recipient of the “You Suck” award 10/22/2014
Feld's "dishonesty and greed" sums it up nicely. The man's got a way with words.
Coin shops that are nothing more than bullion pawn shops.
Example: They buy ASE's $2 below spot and sell $17 over spot.
Everything and everybody is behind 1 inch plexiglass, no raw
coins to search, just a lot of slabbed coins with "CLEANED/UNC DETAILS" labels.
Ebay sellers who don't answer your email asking a question about
the coin they are selling. The ones that do answer are honest enough
to tell you they don't know what your talking about but claim to be
coin dealers.
Slabbed coins with PVC damage, finger prints, or some sort of 'skin cancer' that
has damaged the coin surface. All coins should be sterilized before encapsulation
or outright rejected using more stringent guidelines regarding damage.
Finding a damaged encapsulated coin should entitle the owner to have
it re-slabbed for free by the issuing grading company.
All slabbed coins should be attributed as part of the grading
fee. Varieties/attribution is a BIG PART of the hobby! Support it
grading houses!!!
Self adhesive 2" X 2" s that separate after six months or sooner even
while stored in an environmentally controlled safes.
Labelled up slabs with labeled *STARS, and CAC/MAC stickers that supports the mentality
of "buy the slab, not the coin" and greed.
Inflation sucking off of my coin budget like a lamprey on a lake trout!
Local coin shops closing - see above comment
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
Honest and accurate grading are things that I like; I don't like their opposites.
Also gentlemanly conduct; I dislike when that is absent.
Dealers that tell me that collecting lowball coins is crazy and a waste of money. They forget that I collect what I like!
My wife telling me I’m buying to many coins😲
Lafayette Grading Set
People who complain about things and always insistent the entire market is wrong, when its clearly a comprehension issue.
@Atcarroll said:
I saw this and for a minute you had me wondering if i got drunk and made an alt....lol
From an older movie, "The Magic of Belle Island." A quote from Monte Wildhorn (Morgan Freeman):
"Telephones are a damn nuisance. I've got no use for them. And them people on cell phones oughta be shot in the street."
1) buying a coin with no meat on the bone.
2) selling a coin with no meat on the bone.
I dislike bare bones. Who wants to be upside down in their hobby ? A good deal is when both buyer and seller are smiling.
1 = dishonest people
2= people with big egos
This was a close third people with bad hygiene. People that don’t use deodorant or cut there figure nails.
That's a woman holding that coin and she has normal length "figure nails" for a woman. At least they're clean unlike some eBay pics that I've seen.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
Staples
&
Rubber bands
It's all about what the people want...
coins wrapped in aluminum foil
people wearing gloves when the coins don't require it
www.brunkauctions.com
Always found those hero quotes annoying....
Dealer egos
People at shows who can't wait for your deal/question to get done so they can chime in on something they need
1) That all price guides out there are inconsistent.
2) Ridiculous lowball offers nowhere near realistic.
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"Numismatic categorizations, if left unconstrained, will increase spontaneously over time." -me
Luckily it wasn't making contact with one of my 2022-S ASE and was able to remove it.
That was the 2021 type 2 reverse proof ASE. I got it back in the capsule. I believe I dodged a bullet on this one. I didn't see any scuffs or scrapes on it after looking at it with a 20x loupe.
Throw a coin enough times, and suppose one day it lands on its edge.
1) Slow grading turnarounds.
2) Cherrypicks that you screwed up on and realize they aren't cherrypicks.
I guess the coin hobby gives you a pretty darn good education - patience and humility. Huh.
Coin Photographer.
Seller promoting the upgrade potential however it’s already been factored in on the price tag 🤔 so who’s potential is it exactly?????
Almost got hooked on Half Bust AU58 then realized it’s stock photo they used 🤔 1 of 3 sold
and it’s not an inexpensive coin …… Go figure!
"Inspiration exists, but it has to find you working" Pablo Picasso
That would be annoying. I don’t know everything, and generally will admit that. @ricko and other members of these forums have helped me a ton!
1) Pointless, valueless stickers
2) That the supposed "leadership" of the hobby (TPG, auction houses and dealers) support the sticker game (aka ignorance) out of absolutely nothing other than financial greed.
Shameful!
Not just eBay sellers. PCGS Trueview does this as well.
AMEN!!!!!!
Welcome to the board.
Let's hope you have other contributions to make that aren't focused on your dislike for CAC and those who appreciate their services. The last CAC hating troll thas been banned repeatedly.
"Got a flaming heart, can't get my fill"
My personal dislikes about the hobby?
First that in my case I didn't do much research before buying my first coins. I wish I'd have lurked here for a year or so BEFORE I ever bought a single coin. I bought too soon and learned stuff afterwards (hopefully I learned a little since I started).
Second dislike is that it took me a few years to realize what @FlyingAl just said above.
Find a mentor or two, preferably a collector and dealer.
I may be a boy scout and hopelessly naive, but I believe that hobbies should primarily be about core principles with the objective to be enjoyed by as many as possible while minimizing harms. A dealer was boasting about meeting with other dealers who talked about their "rips" from sellers, like taking candy from a baby. If trust breaks down with dealers, where can the customers go, the forums?
On the other hand I see far too many aggressive sellers who demand more and more money for their material that usually has serious grade limiting problems. With one customer I went to his house numerous times, many many hours of review of what he had, which was largely mint and proof sets and he showed little gratitude and left no review.
Take a bath facrissake!
USAF (Ret) 1974 - 1994 - The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries. Remembering RickO, a brother in arms.
When people see new posters leading the gripe parade... they usually ask, "what was your old user name?".
I, on the other hand, accept things for how they are, knowing every aspect of life can be improved, yet praise the leadership in the industry. Without them, I'd have no hobby to complain about, that allows me to have many highs along with some lows.
Perhaps you set your expectations of people too high?
I expect little and I'm seldom disappointed.
Cynical? Yes. Not doing the research. Overpaying for grade, quality, or selling for too little , it's all on me. I have no one else to blame and I get angry at myself.
I try to look at the world for how it is not how I wish it would be.
Heck, we're all different and we view the world so differently.
Best.
The major grading service that will slab anything, and the grade will simply be "uncirculated" or "MS'
The other major grading service that does the same...
#1: DISHONESTY! While some will get away with it for a spell, it will eventually catch up with them. And I LOVE when it does.
#2: (See #1)
USAF (Ret) 1974 - 1994 - The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries. Remembering RickO, a brother in arms.
There is no way in h e double scribble that that is a woman’s hand! 🤣😂 Unless she’s a big hairy one with other manly features, knuckles dragging on the ground 😂🤣😝
1)That so many people are buying just to flip, rather then enjoying their coins and actually collecting- holding. I don't know why, but the concept annoys me.
2) As noted, nasty fingernails in photos. As if you need more proof that there aren't enough women in the hobby!
3) Using the phrase "shot (insert grade here)" as a selling point. I think if you are using that you should do the dirty work yourself and get upgraded. Just being facetious here...
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