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  • JMS1223JMS1223 Posts: 1,107 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Just recalled a scary but fortunately no harm done situation. I was selling a raw $500 note and as the dealer was removing the note from the sleeve to examine it it fell on the ground. Fortunately it didn’t get wet or dirty but it was a very scary moment.

  • bidaskbidask Posts: 14,017 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 7, 2022 7:25PM

    It is certainly appropriate to ask to see coin knowing you cannot afford to buy it but why all the hub hub in this thread if the dealer who owns the coin states
    ‘ you can’t afford it ‘ and declines to take the coin out of the case .

    Why are peoples feelings so hurt 😭

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  • ElcontadorElcontador Posts: 7,567 ✭✭✭✭✭

    About 15 years ago. Looking for an AU Heraldic Eagle Bust $. See a dipped AU 55 properly graded coin in a dealer who I will not name, but is known for trying to get every last nickel from the retail customer.

    Wanted $11K for a $9,500 coin. I politely asked if he'd take a check for $9,800, so he wouldn't have to pay a 3% credit card fee, and used Heritage as a reference. The guy went off on me as if I had propositioned his grandmother. I was debating whether to tell him what he could do with himself, or just listen, as he was making a complete fool out of himself. I chose the latter, as I found it entertaining to hear him act like a five year old whose mother didn't give him a cookie.

    Epilogue. Coin didn't sell. Put in a Heritage auction 6 months later. Figure he got 107% of hammer, which was less than I offered him six months earlier. He could offer me an 1804 Dollar at melt, and from him, I would turn it down.

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  • conrad99conrad99 Posts: 375 ✭✭✭

    @DisneyFan said:

    Funny! Once at a Mercedes dealership in a very upscale neighborhood (not all are) the salesman told us they are never impressed with well dressed clients that come in. On the other hand, when someone not so well dressed comes in, they all rush over, thinking this is someone with plenty of money who doesn't need to impress anyone.

    That's interesting because the normal practice at dealerships is for sales staff to take turns with incoming customers.

  • lkeneficlkenefic Posts: 8,169 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I was looking at Seated Dollars and found a nice XF that looked super nice for the grade. I indicated that I wanted to buy it only to be told "it wasn't for sale".

    I was at one of the Baltimore shows years ago and was sitting at JJ Teaparty's table looking at several pieces. I laid my loupe down to check out the far end of the table where they typically keep early copper. I was out of my chair for maybe 2 minutes but when I came back my loupe was gone... I think one of the other patrons at the table lifted it...

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  • DisneyFanDisneyFan Posts: 2,193 ✭✭✭✭✭

    This was an ebay encounter. I had no previous contact with this PNG dealer and was interested in a $1000 coin. The picture on his website wasn't the greatest as it could not be enlarged to show the details of striking. He also claimed he was a member of FUN. Based on the dealer's offerings on his website I was thinking I should at least put this dealer on my list of tables to visit at a future show and possibly the dealer would offer to send this coin on approval. I asked if he could do better on the price. His response, "If you can buy another PCGS MS64 CAC for less, then go for it."

    I realize the dealer must have had a bad week; but, I would not have expected his reaction "You have been added to not only my, but other coin dealers’ Do Not Do Business With list." for not immediately responding within 36 hours to an 8:30 Saturday night followup e-mail asking if I was still interested.

    About six months later I found this exact same coin on another dealer's website listed for less money. I bought it. : )

  • DisneyFanDisneyFan Posts: 2,193 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @conrad99 said:

    That's interesting because the normal practice at dealerships is for sales staff to take turns with incoming customers.

    Sales can be cut throat.

  • conrad99conrad99 Posts: 375 ✭✭✭

    @DisneyFan said:
    I asked if he could do better on the price. His response, "If you can buy another PCGS MS64 CAC for less, then go for it."

    Perhaps affect a snooty air and sniff, "I buy the coin, not the slab. Or the sticker!" And then saunter off.

    Seriously, though, congrats on the pickup.

  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 28,651 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 8, 2022 1:27AM

    @MasonG said:
    Whether buyer or seller, interrupting people in the middle of a transaction/discussion to inject an offer of your own is not cool.

    I've had that happen several real times. One of the attendees was told never come back

  • 1630Boston1630Boston Posts: 13,969 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @DisneyFan said:

    " it’s not a coin for you!”.

    I've heard that before. And exactly what does that mean?

    Perhaps they are trying to use reverse phycology on the customer. :)

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  • vulcanizevulcanize Posts: 1,408 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 8, 2022 9:26AM

    @3stars said:
    Only went to one, got tired of being ignored by sellers. Online or In shop only now.

    Ditto.
    Have been to a few shows but got really fed up of being treated as an invisible entity when there was an actual interest to buy. Would rather drive to nearby LCS to give them my money and encourage them to stay in business.
    Now I only go to the shows merely to get coins graded to save the headache of mailing them in, see what's on the floor and their pricing just to feel the market.

    @edwardjulio said:
    skier07-Reminds me of the time I went to a Maserati dealership in an old car and the salesman on the lot told me his cars were too expensive and not for me.

    Years ago, my Pap went to a Mercedes dealer to purchase a vehicle, had his bib overalls on, no one would talk to him. He left, went to the BMW dealer and a salesperson met him right after entering the dealership. He bought a new BMW that day. The Mercedes dealership found out and called him to apologize all over themselves.

    LOL.

    Same story with me but got no apology or anything like your dad did.
    I had a 1993 model Mercedes that was taken in 2004 to the local dealer and they gave so much of attitude that the vehicle got sold for a dollar to the person who was buying my house (threw it in to sweeten the deal and not have them bargain and it made me happy to have bragging rights of selling it for a buck). :D
    My late spouse used to work for a Merceded dealer in the nineties and hence had bought the vehicle, but back then itself their quality had begun to have the downward spiral.
    Similar story at Harley Davidson when I actually went to buy a bike.
    The ONLY exception was the local Porsche dealer who really treated us like royalty and we signed up right away for a brand new one on the lot.

    Edited to add quote.

  • TopdollarpaidTopdollarpaid Posts: 600 ✭✭✭
    edited August 8, 2022 9:13AM
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  • JBKJBK Posts: 15,856 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 8, 2022 9:33AM

    I've only been to a couple big coin shows. One was an annual big city show. I made the mistake of going later on in the weekend when things were winding down already for many dealers.

    I also went to an ANA World's Fair of Money. That was pretty good. Had some good interactions but on the second visit on the Sunday there were a lot of empty tables. I was a small-time buyer but all interactions were good. My only remotely "cold" dealer response was from a well-known member here. ;) She wasn't really rude, just a little dismissive in a friendly way, no doubt because some bigger fish were nearby. :)

  • neildrobertsonneildrobertson Posts: 1,227 ✭✭✭✭✭

    There's something that gets my blood pressure up at just about every show I go to. I really should stop going.

    I still feel like it's really weird how uncomfortable many dealers are with people wanting to look at coins in their cases.

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  • leothelyonleothelyon Posts: 8,473 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Upon arriving at a big show in Chicago after driving a little over 2 hours to get there, a dealer immediately started heckling me as I approached his table. He was saying things like, I know your kind, you rip us off, you can't look at my coins. I was just totally lost with where this guy was coming from. I started opening a Whitman coin folder he had laid out and in a threatening way, he yells at me to close the folder. I got in his face and asked for his name, Mercon or something and left, went to the next table. Interestingly, a dealer/table just behind that clown in the next aisle had a nice selection of nickels. I'd glance over at the guy to see what he's doing, the guy was just sitting there, a total wreck with worry all over his face. Was going to report him to someone but never did.

    At a local show, there was always this one dealer there who was basically selling pocket change, his material was alway such poor quality. I'd take some time and tried educating the old guy his coins were not mint state, he didn't care he was ripping off people with his junk. I think the guy eventually met his awful fate in Indiana somewhere. Sad story.

    Another show I attended up north a ways at a shopping mall with a buddy of mine, most of the dealers there were very old. After spotting a couple of oxygen tanks, it was like being in a nursing home cause when we got to the 3rd aisle you could really smell the pooh.....that's when we realized they were likely wearing depends and I couldn't stand it and had to exit the show, it was that bad.

    Leo

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  • AstroJoeAstroJoe Posts: 308 ✭✭✭

    My experience is when I'm looking at a coin and/or want to get a closer look and ask questions, the dealer will talk to someone else that that they probably know who just walked up and talk to them. If I'm getting ready to buy, I will get is attention and say no thanks, not today.
    I've been going to coin shows in the Minneapolis-St. Paul area for over 40 years. I've seen the same dealers over and over again and they have never recognized me as a return customer. It's always "move along, you're bothering me" look and tone of voice. I just go the the 2 large shows each year.

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  • ashelandasheland Posts: 23,398 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Interesting thread. I don't experience most of this, but occasionally I would get ignored... That's fine, I just go on, there are plenty of other tables to see...

  • Glen2022Glen2022 Posts: 948 ✭✭✭✭

    Seems like there are many more bad bourse experiences than good ones. see the Good bourse experience thread also currently going.

  • MasonGMasonG Posts: 6,261 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Glen2022 said:
    Seems like there are many more bad bourse experiences than good ones. see the Good bourse experience thread also currently going.

    Lots of people aren't happy unless they're not happy.

  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 23,438 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @conrad99

    So you knew Slim Pickens?

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  • kruegerkrueger Posts: 887 ✭✭✭✭

    At a show I greeted a dealer with a How are you doing " John Q"?
    His response was "F-you" you bottom feeder. Mind you I only bought coins from him once several years ago in a congeal deal. I don't talk to him anymore. Do some dealers maybe get confused, have mental problems alienating customers?? I knew a dealer once who was ostracized by other dealers for bouncing checks and doing drugs. There were no more shows for him. Another show many years ago in downtown LA a dealer had a gun in his case and sometime in the show what ever happened it went off. Very well known dealer/ author. Yikes. 45 years of doing shows I have more horror stories, but some are politically sensitive.

  • AdamLAdamL Posts: 165 ✭✭✭
    edited August 8, 2022 4:28PM

    Some of these a really bad, which surprises me. Sure, some dealers are less friendly than others, but I've never seen any screaming or anger. I have experienced a bit of rudeness and people being inconsiderate.

    At last month's MNS show, late in the day I found a table with a lot of Walking Lib dates that were on my list in the condition I was looking for. There were 2 guys crowded right up against the table, barely looking at the coins and barely making conversation. They weren't doing much productive at all. On the corner I saw a chair and figured I'd squeeze in there and get a closer look... Nope. One of the guys' briefcase was laying on the chair. I was trying to make it obvious that I was attempting to lean past him and get a closer look at the coins the the case. He didn't budge and neither did his briefcase. Oh, and his name was on the briefcase and I realized I had done business with him years ago. Finally I managed to ask the dealer running the table to look at 3 different coins. He actually looked a little annoyed AT the dealers who were crowding his table for no apparent reason.

    Finally, when he opened case and told me to go ahead and pull out the ones I wanted to see, the other dealer moved his briefcase out of the chair I'd been wanting. I sat down and looked at the coins with my loupe, and these guys were STILL hovering over my shoulders uncomfortably close. Their demeanor seemed to SLIGHTLY change when I got out 2 envelopes full of 100's and started counting. So maybe it was one of those "He can't afford it" scenarios in their minds. I can't believe dealers think that way though. It's crazy. I know multi millionaires who you would never guess it based on their appearance. The person who I think is the richest person I know used to play pro sports, but he looks like a typical country boy.

    There was another dealer who only had one case and it was all gold. A guy (Collector, I presume) was sitting there with a bag covering the whole case and conversing with the dealer. Every time I checked he was still there. On one hand, it's kind of cool that the dealer was willing to talk to him for so long. But darnit, the guy was obscuring the whole inventory. He eventually left after quite a long time and I ended up buying 1908 Half Eagle NGC MS63 CAC from the dealer, who was a very nice guy.

    Edit: I meant to mention that I overheard the dealer I got the gold from telling the guy who sat at his table all day, "The only checks I've ever had bounce were from other dealers. :D

  • TomthecoinguyTomthecoinguy Posts: 849 ✭✭✭✭

    @rays said:
    This story goes back quite awhile. Circa 1998 I was working on a US type set, 1793-current. I changed my preferences to mint state only coins, and I had bought one or two proofs, including a Mercury dime in PF64, worth about $200 at the time.
    I traveled to Santa Clara, CA for a coin show and I found a dealer with many mint state Mercury dimes for sale (Larry Whitlow). He wasn't busy, and I examined five or six and picked one I liked (I think it was about $200 as well). I asked him if he would consider a trade of my proof mercury (which I had with me). This dealer became irate and told me I was treating him rudely and to never visit his table again, which I did not. I saw him for many years at Long Beach.

    That is such a strange story. As a dealer, I would love it if a customer pulled out a proof Merc and asked me if I wanted to do a trade for something they liked in my inventory. Perhaps we would not come to an agreement, but having the opportunity doesn't hurt anything.

  • SoCalBigMarkSoCalBigMark Posts: 2,793 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Bites tongue.

  • CatbertCatbert Posts: 7,353 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Kliao said:

    @Glen2022 said:
    Seems like there are many more bad bourse experiences than good ones. see the Good bourse experience thread also currently going.

    I think that it's because bad experiences are easier to remember than good experiences which is unfortunate.

    True, but that’s because memory is tied to emotion and the stronger the emotion, the stronger the memory. :)

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  • No HeadlightsNo Headlights Posts: 2,070 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Tomthecoinguy said:

    @2windy2fish said:
    Just a comment about buyers….i always give the same attention and kindness to anyone who wants to look at my inventory no matter what their appearance is…i have a few regulars now that have very deep pockets, and are willing buyers

    When a YN comes to my table, I will show them any coin they want to see. Even if they tell me right out of the gate that they cannot afford it, I want to encourage YNs. BTW - I am also surprised how much disposable income some YNs have.

    I agree 100% with how you treat YN. I'm not surprised they have disposable income though. They make $14 an hour flipping burgers and have free room and board. Congrats to you for treating everyone as a customer.

  • lkeneficlkenefic Posts: 8,169 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Another bad experience pertaining to coins... but not at a coin show. I was actually at a gun show and happened upon a vendor with a bunch of coins. I've seen silver Dollars at a few gun shows, but this seller had books of most denominations. I was attempting to complete an IHC set at the time and asked about an 1877. Low and behold... he had one! The obverse was pretty mangled with some deep scratches... the reverse did NOT have the shallow N. I commented that it MUST be a circulated proof since the diagnostic for a business strike wasn't there. He just looked at me and brought the price down to $700... I handed it back to him and just said "good luck with that". He became a bit agitated and I just told he that it really wouldn't behoove him to press the issue. I walked away...

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  • TreashuntTreashunt Posts: 6,747 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I had dealt with a certain dealer at a local bi-monthly coin show for years [at least 10+ years.]

    And I had spend many thousands with him over the years.

    In particular I had purchased many Barber coins that, at the time no one in the area wanted except for me.

    Anyway, one day, my bag, as always was on the chair in front of his table.

    That is where I keep all of my logs, reference books, loupe, pens, etc.

    He was frantically looking for some proof set, probably worth about $10 or so.
    Suddenly he walks around the table and starts looking thru my bag. And, no, he did not ask for my permission.

    He found nothing and simply laughed and went back behind the table, where he found the proof set on the floor.

    I can't repeat what I said to him, because this is a family forum, but I never dealt with him again.

    [PS: Nope, I did not hit him.]

    And, yes, As I walk by at the show I calmly say out loud that the customers should keep their hands on their wallets.

    Who was it? A frequent weekly advertiser in Coin World as a buyer.

    Frank

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