@skier07 said:
Congrats and Holy Sheet! That’s beautiful.
What’s the difference between a matte and sandblasted proof?
Nothing, really. Although technically all sandblasted proofs are matte but all matte need not be sandblasted.
Not quite.
Matte proofs were made when the dies were sandblasted.
Sandblast proofs were made when the actual coin was struck as a Satin proof, and then the coin was sandblasted.
The OP coin is technically a sandblast proof, but when the coin is that amazing, who cares what the label says?
Not quite, though perhaps technically.
As per Stack's Bowers, sandblasted proofs are often referred to as matte proofs. Hence, all sand blasted proofs are matte but not all matte proofs are sandblasted, especially if you consider modern die manufacture.
@skier07 said:
Congrats and Holy Sheet! That’s beautiful.
What’s the difference between a matte and sandblasted proof?
Nothing, really. Although technically all sandblasted proofs are matte but all matte need not be sandblasted.
Not quite.
Matte proofs were made when the dies were sandblasted.
Sandblast proofs were made when the actual coin was struck as a Satin proof, and then the coin was sandblasted.
The OP coin is technically a sandblast proof, but when the coin is that amazing, who cares what the label says?
Not quite.
As per Stack's Bowers, sandblasted proofs are often referred to as matte proofs. Hence, all sand blasted proofs are matte but not all matte proofs are sandblasted, especially if you consider modern die manufacture.
I was mentioning your statement that matte and sandblast proofs are one and the same. I pose this question - were 1911 proof quarter eagles and 1909 MPLs made by the exact same process? They are not one and the same, no matter what word we use to describe them. I chose to differentiate the two based on the different processes, but others can choose not to and I will respect that.
I don't know for sure if this is true about modern die manufacture, but I believe they use a laser etching process. Really, whatever they do doesn't relate to this era as the coins appear drastically different.
@skier07 said:
Congrats and Holy Sheet! That’s beautiful.
What’s the difference between a matte and sandblasted proof?
Nothing, really. Although technically all sandblasted proofs are matte but all matte need not be sandblasted.
Not quite.
Matte proofs were made when the dies were sandblasted.
Sandblast proofs were made when the actual coin was struck as a Satin proof, and then the coin was sandblasted.
The OP coin is technically a sandblast proof, but when the coin is that amazing, who cares what the label says?
Not quite.
As per Stack's Bowers, sandblasted proofs are often referred to as matte proofs. Hence, all sand blasted proofs are matte but not all matte proofs are sandblasted, especially if you consider modern die manufacture.
I was mentioning your statement that matte and sandblast proofs are one and the same. I pose this question - were 1911 proof quarter eagles and 1909 MPLs made by the exact same process? They are not one and the same, no matter what word we use to describe them. I chose to differentiate the two based on the different processes, but others can choose not to and I will respect that.
I don't know for sure if this is true about modern die manufacture, but I believe they use a laser etching process. Really, whatever they do doesn't relate to this era as the coins appear drastically different.
Yes, modern techniques would use lasers. But even in the period we're taking about, they didn't always sandblast as there was also acid etching and, I believe, even brushing of the dies. Although some of that may have been only used in European medallic issues.
@skier07 said:
Congrats and Holy Sheet! That’s beautiful.
What’s the difference between a matte and sandblasted proof?
Nothing, really. Although technically all sandblasted proofs are matte but all matte need not be sandblasted.
Not quite.
Matte proofs were made when the dies were sandblasted.
Sandblast proofs were made when the actual coin was struck as a Satin proof, and then the coin was sandblasted.
The OP coin is technically a sandblast proof, but when the coin is that amazing, who cares what the label says?
Not quite.
As per Stack's Bowers, sandblasted proofs are often referred to as matte proofs. Hence, all sand blasted proofs are matte but not all matte proofs are sandblasted, especially if you consider modern die manufacture.
I was mentioning your statement that matte and sandblast proofs are one and the same. I pose this question - were 1911 proof quarter eagles and 1909 MPLs made by the exact same process? They are not one and the same, no matter what word we use to describe them. I chose to differentiate the two based on the different processes, but others can choose not to and I will respect that.
I don't know for sure if this is true about modern die manufacture, but I believe they use a laser etching process. Really, whatever they do doesn't relate to this era as the coins appear drastically different.
Yes, modern techniques would use lasers. But even in the period we're taking about, they didn't always sandblast as there was also acid etching and, I believe, even brushing of the dies. Although some of that may have been only used in European medallic issues.
The medallic issues used more finishes than the regular issues, that's for sure. As for the proofs of gold, the process only used the aforementioned sandblasting of the coin after the striking, which is why each year appears different as the size of the sand/crushed quartz used. Each coin is different. Matte proofs (cents and nickels 1909-1916) would have had their dies sandblasted, which is why each coin will appear the same. I believe Roger Burdette may have found documents proving this, but I can't be sure.
There will come a time when proof peace dollars are considered among the top tier of all American numismatics. They are elite now but people are only beginning to truly understand how different, special and their absolute rarity.
@Floridafacelifter.... That is a super beautiful Peace Dollar. Congratulations on a spectacular acquisition. @pursuitofliberty ... I also speak Sailor and can relate - Several expletives escaped when I viewed this coin.. Cheers, RickO
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Not quite, though perhaps technically.
As per Stack's Bowers, sandblasted proofs are often referred to as matte proofs. Hence, all sand blasted proofs are matte but not all matte proofs are sandblasted, especially if you consider modern die manufacture.
I was mentioning your statement that matte and sandblast proofs are one and the same. I pose this question - were 1911 proof quarter eagles and 1909 MPLs made by the exact same process? They are not one and the same, no matter what word we use to describe them. I chose to differentiate the two based on the different processes, but others can choose not to and I will respect that.
I don't know for sure if this is true about modern die manufacture, but I believe they use a laser etching process. Really, whatever they do doesn't relate to this era as the coins appear drastically different.
Coin Photographer.
Yes, modern techniques would use lasers. But even in the period we're taking about, they didn't always sandblast as there was also acid etching and, I believe, even brushing of the dies. Although some of that may have been only used in European medallic issues.
The medallic issues used more finishes than the regular issues, that's for sure. As for the proofs of gold, the process only used the aforementioned sandblasting of the coin after the striking, which is why each year appears different as the size of the sand/crushed quartz used. Each coin is different. Matte proofs (cents and nickels 1909-1916) would have had their dies sandblasted, which is why each coin will appear the same. I believe Roger Burdette may have found documents proving this, but I can't be sure.
Coin Photographer.
This is one of my favorite all time coins - I just love it
There will come a time when proof peace dollars are considered among the top tier of all American numismatics. They are elite now but people are only beginning to truly understand how different, special and their absolute rarity.
11.5$ Southern Dollars, The little “Big Easy” set
That's an incredibly stunning coin big D. Your proof dollars are other worldly.
@Floridafacelifter.... That is a super beautiful Peace Dollar. Congratulations on a spectacular acquisition.
Cheers, RickO
@pursuitofliberty ... I also speak Sailor and can relate - Several expletives escaped when I viewed this coin..
@Floridafacelifter You sir have an excellent eye for great rarities
in the ultimate condition. Thanks for sharing.
What an amazing Peace dollar. Congrats on your addition!
Woww!!
Collector, occasional seller
Another one's coming up for auction on Heritage later this month. OP's is a bit better though.
1922 $1 Matte PR25 PCGS. Judd-2019.... https://coins.ha.com/itm/proof-peace-dollars/1922-1-matte-pr25-pcgs-judd-2019/a/1348-3983.s
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Wow! A very special coin. Congratulations!
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