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This auction will be a true test of the value of PCGS plastic!

LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,290 ✭✭✭✭✭

At GC - we will see in about a month how much a Regency holder is worth relative to the value of the coin.

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  • oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 11,889 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 26, 2022 7:01PM

    Awwww man. What are the odds that this is the only MS70 Regency Holder?

    This HAS got to be a fake...the coinfacts description states STANDARD holder. 😈

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  • keyman64keyman64 Posts: 15,454 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The value will certainly be more associated with the plastic than the silver. Cool that it is a US item in the holder though. I’ll watch the auction for entertainment. :smile:

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  • ianrussellianrussell Posts: 2,454 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I am fairly sure this was the first 1986 Silver Eagle ever graded MS-70 (does anyone have a pop report that shows pop 1 from the late 1990s or 2000s?).

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  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 31,834 ✭✭✭✭✭

    So few non-Israeli coins in Regency holders. Few 70s (though that one might need reconsideration). A very scarce holder, indeed.

  • WilliamFWilliamF Posts: 832 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The holder's awesome... but the coin looks like bird droppings! No offence meant, it's just really ugly imo...

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  • blu62vetteblu62vette Posts: 11,901 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Likely the first silver eagle ever graded 70?

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  • conrad99conrad99 Posts: 345 ✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:
    So few non-Israeli coins in Regency holders.

    Explain please? (I know nothing about this.)

  • UpGrayeddUpGrayedd Posts: 495 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I didn't see a picture of the bag or any mention of it in the lot description, which I assume means that it is not included. The hologram also appears to be a little scuffed up, which is also disappointing. Still a really cool slab, that I assume will bring strong money.

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  • conrad99conrad99 Posts: 345 ✭✭✭

    @keyman64 said:

    @conrad99 said:

    @jmlanzaf said:
    So few non-Israeli coins in Regency holders.

    Explain please? (I know nothing about this.)

    There was a large collection of Israeli coins submitted for grading in the regency holders. Most of these that come on the market have Israeli coins in them. That's what I know.

    Interesting, thanks.

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 33,859 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 26, 2022 8:48PM

    Anyone know Cy E. Barker?

    Per the Numismatist, Barker lived in Hawaii:

    https://nnp.wustl.edu/library/book/527755?page=1795

    Barker was mentioned by @oreville in this thread:

    https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/comment/5131081/#Comment_5131081

  • mark_dakmark_dak Posts: 1,091 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Really ugly coin... hard pass for me!

    Mark

  • jclovescoinsjclovescoins Posts: 1,853 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Gross! And they called that a 70 🫣

  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 45,390 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 27, 2022 10:50AM

    I don't think this auction will tell us much about the rare slab market and the value of a PCGS Regency slab since most plastic collectors will pass on a rare slab if it contains an ugly, damaged, and now over-graded coin.

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  • TreashuntTreashunt Posts: 6,747 ✭✭✭✭✭

    ugh

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  • gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,425 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That is one ugly ASE.

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  • MaywoodMaywood Posts: 1,884 ✭✭✭✭✭

    "A fool and his money are soon parted" would seem to be apropos here.

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Those Regency holders are attractive.... However, I collect coins, not holders. Sadly, that ASE is melt value now. Cheers, RickO

  • ElKevvoElKevvo Posts: 4,062 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Maywood said:
    "A fool and his money are soon parted" would seem to be apropos here.

    I am not into collecting slabs too much but I think investment wise you would be very happy if you had picked up a handful of these years ago and squirreled them away! For slab collectors, and there are many, this is one of the grails to acquire and is a piece of numismatic history.

    Too bad the ASE developed such bad milk spots as if it had stayed clean it would be an exceptional slab. I won't be too surprised if this goes for a very decent amount!

    K

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  • LukeMarshallLukeMarshall Posts: 1,905 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The regency slab(s) that I have seem to have a air gap between the two halves...

    Also, I remember hearing stories of People dropping these in a cup of water and watching them fill but I havent confirmed that...

    I think the coin was probably blast white when it was holdered, but the air creeping in over time messed with the appearance.

    It's all about what the people want...

  • keyman64keyman64 Posts: 15,454 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Any links to previously auctioned regency slabs?

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  • braddickbraddick Posts: 23,093 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @UpGrayedd said:

    @Maywood said:
    "A fool and his money are soon parted" would seem to be apropos here.

    Collect what you like, but don't disparage others that do the same. I collect coins because I love the history. I also collect slabs because of their numismatic history.

    I agree with you, yet I am grateful for Maywood's attitude as it will sometimes keep the prices sane. I don't want every collector to also chase after the items I find interesting.

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  • LazybonesLazybones Posts: 1,394 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Regardless of the slab, I'd pass. That coin is uglier than a pan of fried a-holes.

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  • ElKevvoElKevvo Posts: 4,062 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:

    No collector should ever tell another collector that they are fool. We're either all fools or none of us.

    Hmmm...not sure how that came out of my comment but OK.

    K

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  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 43,832 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Remember when cell phones were that big ? Those slabs are unique. Definitely not a crack-out candidate.

  • UpGrayeddUpGrayedd Posts: 495 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @PerryHall said:
    I don't this this auction will tell us much about the rare slab market and the value of a PCGS Regency slab since most plastic collectors will pass on a rare slab if it contains an ugly, damaged, and now over-graded coin.

    I respect your opinion, but I disagree somewhat. I know I will be bidding. I may not go as high as I would if the coin and slab were both perfect, but I will still be willing to pay up for the plastic to a certain extent. In fact while I don't seek out ugly/damaged coins (and this one is certainly both) I do tend to look for lower value coins when adding to my slab collection. That way I am not paying a premium for both the coin and the plastic. However, to your point this particular coin/slab does have some limitations that could hold it back. In addition to the ugly coin, there is apparently no felt bag, and the slab has some imperfections, which will hold it back as much as anything IMHO. It is going to be really interesting to watch.

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  • FredWeinbergFredWeinberg Posts: 5,719 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Does anyone have an idea, or is there a list, that shows how many US gold coins are in these
    regency holders?

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  • UpGrayeddUpGrayedd Posts: 495 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @FredWeinberg said:
    Does anyone have an idea, or is there a list, that shows how many US gold coins are in these
    regency holders?

    Sorry I don't know the answer to your question, but as others have mentioned it is my understanding that the vast majority of Regency slabs are Israeli coins from the Danny Kaye collection. There is however an 1888 Double Eagle currently for sale on ebay. Unfortunately, it is out of my price range.

    It would be nice if there was a census for Regency slabs similar to the Doily census, and NGC 2.0 and 2.1 census.

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  • FloridafacelifterFloridafacelifter Posts: 1,153 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @UpGrayedd said:

    @FredWeinberg said:
    Does anyone have an idea, or is there a list, that shows how many US gold coins are in these
    regency holders?

    Sorry I don't know the answer to your question, but as others have mentioned it is my understanding that the vast majority of Regency slabs are Israeli coins from the Danny Kaye collection. There is however an 1888 Double Eagle currently for sale on ebay. Unfortunately, it is out of my price range.

    It would be nice if there was a census for Regency slabs similar to the Doily census, and NGC 2.0 and 2.1 census.

    Since you mentioned it here it is

  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 27,488 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 27, 2022 10:53AM

    love the $20 gold piece

  • UpGrayeddUpGrayedd Posts: 495 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @johnny9434 said:
    love the $29 gold piece

    I'd love to see one. It would undoubtedly be very valuable.

    Sorry I couldn't resist. The 9 & 0 are close on the keyboard so I knew what you meant and I agree.

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  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 23,933 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @PerryHall said:
    I don't this this auction will tell us much about the rare slab market and the value of a PCGS Regency slab since most plastic collectors will pass on a rare slab if it contains an ugly, damaged, and now over-graded coin.

    The coin is so ugly it won't surprise me it fails to sell. Who would want something that looks like that in their collection?

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  • UpGrayeddUpGrayedd Posts: 495 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @291fifth said:

    @PerryHall said:
    I don't this this auction will tell us much about the rare slab market and the value of a PCGS Regency slab since most plastic collectors will pass on a rare slab if it contains an ugly, damaged, and now over-graded coin.

    The coin is so ugly it won't surprise me it fails to sell. Who would want something that looks like that in their collection?

    It will sell unless there is a hidden reserve that I am unaware of. The question is for how much.

    I've already got my token bid in to keep it in my watch list. With all the negative comments maybe I'll get lucky and it will go cheap or at least within my price range.

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  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 31,834 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ElKevvo said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    No collector should ever tell another collector that they are fool. We're either all fools or none of us.

    Hmmm...not sure how that came out of my comment but OK.

    K

    It was really aimed at Maywood to whom you responded

  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 27,488 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @UpGrayedd said:

    @johnny9434 said:
    love the $29 gold piece

    I'd love to see one. It would undoubtedly be very valuable.

    Sorry I couldn't resist. The 9 & 0 are close on the keyboard so I knew what you meant and I agree.

    Sorry,vthat got sold last as a novelty. Problem fixed

  • CatbertCatbert Posts: 6,599 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Obviously, the coin is awful. I think the holder is as well despite its vaunted numismatic history. Never understood the attraction. I'd prefer a doily slab instead.

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