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This auction will be a true test of the value of PCGS plastic!
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At GC - we will see in about a month how much a Regency holder is worth relative to the value of the coin.
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Awwww man. What are the odds that this is the only MS70 Regency Holder?
This HAS got to be a fake...the coinfacts description states STANDARD holder. 😈
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Milk, it does a body good!!!
Not so good for coins.
The value will certainly be more associated with the plastic than the silver. Cool that it is a US item in the holder though. I’ll watch the auction for entertainment.
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I really want a regency holder, but not that one.
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I am fairly sure this was the first 1986 Silver Eagle ever graded MS-70 (does anyone have a pop report that shows pop 1 from the late 1990s or 2000s?).
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That's a cool slab, but the coin is hard to look at. It will be really interesting to see how much it goes for.
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So few non-Israeli coins in Regency holders. Few 70s (though that one might need reconsideration). A very scarce holder, indeed.
The holder's awesome... but the coin looks like bird droppings! No offence meant, it's just really ugly imo...
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Likely the first silver eagle ever graded 70?
Explain please? (I know nothing about this.)
There was a large collection of Israeli coins submitted for grading in the regency holders. Most of these that come on the market have Israeli coins in them. That's what I know.
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I didn't see a picture of the bag or any mention of it in the lot description, which I assume means that it is not included. The hologram also appears to be a little scuffed up, which is also disappointing. Still a really cool slab, that I assume will bring strong money.
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Interesting, thanks.
Anyone know Cy E. Barker?
Per the Numismatist, Barker lived in Hawaii:
https://nnp.wustl.edu/library/book/527755?page=1795
Barker was mentioned by @oreville in this thread:
https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/comment/5131081/#Comment_5131081
I believe most if not all of the Israeli coins in Regency slabs were part of the Danny Kaye collection.
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Really ugly coin... hard pass for me!
Mark
The entertainer Danny Kaye received a large number of Israeli commemorative coins as a thank you gift for his efforts for Israel back in the 1960s. After Kaye's death the estate found these coins and had them slabbed by PCGS in the Regency holders. The estate then sold the coins. Regency holders never really caught on with the collecting public and were discontinued after a relatively short period. A large percentage of surviving Regency holders contain the Kaye coins.
Bird droppings in a Regency holder would likely sell for even more than a coin.
Gross! And they called that a 70 🫣
I don't think this auction will tell us much about the rare slab market and the value of a PCGS Regency slab since most plastic collectors will pass on a rare slab if it contains an ugly, damaged, and now over-graded coin.
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Obviously it turned in the holder.
ugh
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That is one ugly ASE.
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That coin aged like a fine milk.
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"A fool and his money are soon parted" would seem to be apropos here.
Those Regency holders are attractive.... However, I collect coins, not holders. Sadly, that ASE is melt value now. Cheers, RickO
I am not into collecting slabs too much but I think investment wise you would be very happy if you had picked up a handful of these years ago and squirreled them away! For slab collectors, and there are many, this is one of the grails to acquire and is a piece of numismatic history.
Too bad the ASE developed such bad milk spots as if it had stayed clean it would be an exceptional slab. I won't be too surprised if this goes for a very decent amount!
K
The regency slab(s) that I have seem to have a air gap between the two halves...
Also, I remember hearing stories of People dropping these in a cup of water and watching them fill but I havent confirmed that...
I think the coin was probably blast white when it was holdered, but the air creeping in over time messed with the appearance.
It's all about what the people want...
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Collect what you like, but don't disparage others that do the same. I collect coins because I love the history. I also collect slabs because of their numismatic history.
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Any links to previously auctioned regency slabs?
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I agree with you, yet I am grateful for Maywood's attitude as it will sometimes keep the prices sane. I don't want every collector to also chase after the items I find interesting.
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Regardless of the slab, I'd pass. That coin is uglier than a pan of fried a-holes.
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Hmmm...not sure how that came out of my comment but OK.
K
Remember when cell phones were that big ? Those slabs are unique. Definitely not a crack-out candidate.
Maybe another company like CAC will come along for moderns with a 40mm diameter round sticker
I respect your opinion, but I disagree somewhat. I know I will be bidding. I may not go as high as I would if the coin and slab were both perfect, but I will still be willing to pay up for the plastic to a certain extent. In fact while I don't seek out ugly/damaged coins (and this one is certainly both) I do tend to look for lower value coins when adding to my slab collection. That way I am not paying a premium for both the coin and the plastic. However, to your point this particular coin/slab does have some limitations that could hold it back. In addition to the ugly coin, there is apparently no felt bag, and the slab has some imperfections, which will hold it back as much as anything IMHO. It is going to be really interesting to watch.
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Does anyone have an idea, or is there a list, that shows how many US gold coins are in these
regency holders?
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Sorry I don't know the answer to your question, but as others have mentioned it is my understanding that the vast majority of Regency slabs are Israeli coins from the Danny Kaye collection. There is however an 1888 Double Eagle currently for sale on ebay. Unfortunately, it is out of my price range.
It would be nice if there was a census for Regency slabs similar to the Doily census, and NGC 2.0 and 2.1 census.
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Since you mentioned it here it is
Many years ago, I bought an MS62 1852 gold dollar in a Regency slab on eBay soon after they were discontinued. It had printed on the label "DOUBLE PUNCHED DATE" which you could barely see with high magnification. Too bad it didn't also include the green felt draw-string bag with the PCGS logo. I didn't pay any premium over what the coin would have sold for in a regular slab. This was before collecting vintage slabs became popular. Many collectors and dealers didn't like the slab because it was too large to fit into a regular slab box and many were subsequently reholdered into the regular sized slabs. Many had printed on their label non coin related messages such as "CONGRATULIONS ON YOUR GRADUATION" or "BEST WISHES ON YOUR WEDDING DAY" or similar sentiments. The idea with these slabs was that you could pay PCGS extra to get a fancy slab with anything that you wanted (within reason) printed on the label. I thought it was neat to get the smallest US coin at 13mm in the largest slab being produced at the time.
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love the $20 gold piece
I'd love to see one. It would undoubtedly be very valuable.
Sorry I couldn't resist. The 9 & 0 are close on the keyboard so I knew what you meant and I agree.
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Well, I was hoping this GC auction would stay under wraps but @Lakesammman dashed those hopes.
I've been collecting the Danny Kaye Regency holders for a few years now as they "had been" budget friendly and some came with the special display case. There is a lot of information available on these holders, starting with the PCGS Museum of Holders:
Here is a more current update on the surviving numbers from a recent Heritage sale:
Charmy posted this picture from Christopher Bryan's booth at the July Long Beach show:
Finally, here is a picture of my current collection which I recently posted in the @Lakesammman "Rare Plastic for the Weekend" thread:
Tim
The coin is so ugly it won't surprise me it fails to sell. Who would want something that looks like that in their collection?
It will sell unless there is a hidden reserve that I am unaware of. The question is for how much.
I've already got my token bid in to keep it in my watch list. With all the negative comments maybe I'll get lucky and it will go cheap or at least within my price range.
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It was really aimed at Maywood to whom you responded
Sorry,vthat got sold last as a novelty. Problem fixed
Obviously, the coin is awful. I think the holder is as well despite its vaunted numismatic history. Never understood the attraction. I'd prefer a doily slab instead.