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Well worn Sacagawea

CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 31,429 ✭✭✭✭✭

Nothing special here. My local bank saves all of the small dollars that come in for me because one day I am going to find a circulated Cheerios pattern dollar, and the latest batch included this well worn 2000-D that looks like what a first year brass buck would look like today if brass bucks actually, you know, circulated.


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  • Mr Lindy Mr Lindy Posts: 977 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 23, 2022 4:17AM

    I see low end fine, put it in a bag with other pocket coins and get you'll it to good 4 in a year or two. I prefer to put S Mint proofs in my bag of pocket worn coins

  • OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 5,406 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Tom- I didn't think anyone else was noticing! I've searched 1000's of these small dollar coins over the past year. You know what I'm looking for 😉 and it's not the Cheerios.

    There's something going on with these 2000-D's. It's just strange to me, I see a lot of them that look like this. For whatever reason, these worn down D's jump out at you. I rarely see 2000-P's worn down like this. It's just an observation on my part. Of course, I throw them back.

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  • JBKJBK Posts: 14,494 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 25, 2022 12:29PM

    2000D was a common subject of the Colombian counterfeits (as well as genuine coins sent to Ecuador to circulate.)

    Look at the edge to make sure it has the clad layers.

    http://www.smalldollars.com/dollar/add014a.html

  • TwobitcollectorTwobitcollector Posts: 3,048 ✭✭✭✭✭

    By the way I put it in my Dansco 7070

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  • gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,355 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Some small dollar coins do circulate. The MBTA (subway) used them. If you got change from one of their vending machines you got a pocket full of them. They use vending machines for everything including train and bus passes.

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  • JBKJBK Posts: 14,494 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 23, 2022 2:57AM

    @CaptHenway said:

    @JBK said:
    2000D was a common subject of the Columbian counterfeits (as well as genuine coins sent to Ecuador to circulate.)

    Look at the edge to make sure it has the clad layers.

    http://www.smalldollars.com/dollar/add014a.html

    Um, I used to teach the ANA Summer Seminar course on Counterfeit Detection when I was their Senior Authenticator, so I think the piece is genuine.

    Um, I figured other people might read your thread and appreciate the information about potential counterfeits and places where our Sacagawea dollars actually heavily circulate.

    And um, my post that you quoted followed Oakstar's post showing two more beat up Sacagaweas. Was he a Senior Authenticator with you?

  • lilolmelilolme Posts: 2,362 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @gumby1234 said:
    Some small dollar coins do circulate. The MBTA (subway) used them. If you got change from one of their vending machines you got a pocket full of them. They use vending machines for everything including train and bus passes.

    While not true today, at one time the change machine at my post office gave out these for stamps (and maybe postage).

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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I have received the Sacagawea's in change from the Post Office machine and a vending machine at work... The one's I get show some wear, but not as much as the one @CaptHenway shows in the OP. Recently been getting Prezzy bucks back. Cheers, RickO

  • NumisOxideNumisOxide Posts: 10,979 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Anyone have a Poor-1 example?

  • WilliamFWilliamF Posts: 832 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 23, 2022 5:31AM

    @gumby1234 said:
    Some small dollar coins do circulate. The MBTA (subway) used them. If you got change from one of their vending machines you got a pocket full of them. They use vending machines for everything including train and bus passes.

    I still get them in change at car washes.

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  • JMS1223JMS1223 Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Has anyone ever had trouble trying to spend small dollar coins? Do they look at you funny and don’t know what it is (similar to spending $2 bills)?

    I only spent them once or twice and didn’t have trouble but maybe I got lucky and they just happened to know what they are.

  • P0CKETCHANGEP0CKETCHANGE Posts: 2,157 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @JMS1223 said:
    Has anyone ever had trouble trying to spend small dollar coins? Do they look at you funny and don’t know what it is (similar to spending $2 bills)?

    I only spent them once or twice and didn’t have trouble but maybe I got lucky and they just happened to know what they are.

    Almost never. Some people give them a second look but usually shrug and take them. I had an ornery postal employee recently that refused to take some NH AI Dollars, but I suppose I can forgive that given they are NIFC and say “Video Game System” on them.

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  • OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 5,406 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Yep, no doubt about it. The D's I'm seeing here on the East Coast, for whatever reason are much worse then the P's I'm seeing.

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  • SwampboySwampboy Posts: 12,861 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @JBK said:

    @CaptHenway said:

    @JBK said:
    2000D was a common subject of the Columbian counterfeits (as well as genuine coins sent to Ecuador to circulate.)

    Look at the edge to make sure it has the clad layers.

    http://www.smalldollars.com/dollar/add014a.html

    Um, I used to teach the ANA Summer Seminar course on Counterfeit Detection when I was their Senior Authenticator, so I think the piece is genuine.

    Um, I figured other people might read your thread and appreciate the information about potential counterfeits and places where our Sacagawea dollars actually heavily circulate.

    And um, my post that you quoted followed Oakstar's post showing two more beat up Sacagaweas. Was he a Senior Authenticator with you?

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  • OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 5,406 ✭✭✭✭✭

    See what he started? 😂 🤣

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  • OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 5,406 ✭✭✭✭✭

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  • Cougar1978Cougar1978 Posts: 7,416 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 4, 2022 5:09AM

    Just but in my coin bag for Burger King

    Are they circ more now bc of hard times?

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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 31,429 ✭✭✭✭✭

    they do not wear well, do they?

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  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 33,811 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 6, 2022 12:41AM

    @JBK said:
    I'd really scrutinize it to see if it's a Colombian counterfeit.

    At the very least it might have circulated in Ecuador.

    If it is, it could be interesting for contemporary counterfeit collectors.

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 33,811 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 6, 2022 12:42AM

    @illini420 said:
    Got a couple back from PCGS not too long ago... I'm not the one who wasted the grading fees... was for a customer, ha!

    PCGS VG10

    PCGS VG08

    What was your customer hoping for? Something lower?

  • OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 5,406 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @illini420 said:
    I'm not the one who wasted the grading fees... was for a customer, ha!

    I was wondering about that.

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  • OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 5,406 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Zoins said:

    @illini420 said:
    Got a couple back from PCGS not too long ago... I'm not the one who wasted the grading fees... was for a customer, ha!

    What was your customer hoping for? Something lower?

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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 31,429 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @braddick said:
    The 8 looks stronger than the the 10!

    Yeah.

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  • OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 5,406 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Amazing the difference in these. The only P I've seen like this, is the one @illini420 just posted.

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  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 33,811 ✭✭✭✭✭
  • NumisOxideNumisOxide Posts: 10,979 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @CaptHenway said:

    @braddick said:
    The 8 looks stronger than the the 10!

    Yeah.

    Think they net graded it for the reverse hits.

  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 31,429 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I would like to see the grading set examples in this range.

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  • DCWDCW Posts: 6,881 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I really like the way these babies look circulated. They have that "dirty old gold" look to them. I've personally seen these circulating in Ecuador. You can get them in change (like how money is supposed to work.) 😆
    I saved one that was rather worn. When I find it, I'll add a picture to this post.

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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 45,183 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @DCW said:
    I really like the way these babies look circulated. They have that "dirty old gold" look to them. I've personally seen these circulating in Ecuador. You can get them in change (like how money is supposed to work.) 😆
    I saved one that was rather worn. When I find it, I'll add a picture to this post.

    Sacajawea dollars are legal tender in Ecuador and have been heavily counterfeited there. The FBI and Secret Service sent agents there to help their government suppress this counterfeiting. These coins are popular there because Sacajawea's portrait looks a lot like their indigenous Indians.

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  • OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 5,406 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Any pictures, characteristics or parameters of these counterfeits floating around out here somewhere?

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  • DCWDCW Posts: 6,881 ✭✭✭✭✭


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  • OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 5,406 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 8, 2022 4:24AM

    @illini420 - Do you think she would straight grade?

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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 31,429 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Good-6?

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  • OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 5,406 ✭✭✭✭✭

    We're almost there. Won't be long now! 😂 🤣

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  • OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 5,406 ✭✭✭✭✭

    We're still looking @CaptHenway. With the exception of the rolling machine damage, we're getting closer! I keep saying we're getting closer! 😂 🤣

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  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 31,225 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Kurisu said:
    A 2000 D here in Denver from a roll last night.
    And I agree...I go through quite a few Sacs and don't see them looking like this often at all.
    This one looks darn weak underneath the wear to begin with...

    I vote counterfeit.

  • KurisuKurisu Posts: 1,807 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @Kurisu said:
    A 2000 D here in Denver from a roll last night.
    And I agree...I go through quite a few Sacs and don't see them looking like this often at all.
    This one looks darn weak underneath the wear to begin with...

    I vote counterfeit.

    Now I need to find it lol

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  • OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 5,406 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @Kurisu said:
    A 2000 D here in Denver from a roll last night.
    And I agree...I go through quite a few Sacs and don't see them looking like this often at all.
    This one looks darn weak underneath the wear to begin with...

    I vote counterfeit.

    What's the definitive tell tail sign of a counterfeit? The missing three-layer sandwich material that the genuine pieces have?

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  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 31,225 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @OAKSTAR said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @Kurisu said:
    A 2000 D here in Denver from a roll last night.
    And I agree...I go through quite a few Sacs and don't see them looking like this often at all.
    This one looks darn weak underneath the wear to begin with...

    I vote counterfeit.

    What's the definitive tell tail sign of a counterfeit? The missing three-layer sandwich material that the genuine pieces have?

    Probably. I was mostly going by the squishy look of the devices. I really can't be sure from the photo.

  • OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 5,406 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thanks @jmlanzaf

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  • skier07skier07 Posts: 3,596 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @PerryHall said:

    @DCW said:
    I really like the way these babies look circulated. They have that "dirty old gold" look to them. I've personally seen these circulating in Ecuador. You can get them in change (like how money is supposed to work.) 😆
    I saved one that was rather worn. When I find it, I'll add a picture to this post.

    Sacajawea dollars are legal tender in Ecuador and have been heavily counterfeited there. The FBI and Secret Service sent agents there to help their government suppress this counterfeiting. These coins are popular there because Sacajawea's portrait looks a lot like their indigenous Indians.

    The US dollar is the official currency of Ecuador

  • JBKJBK Posts: 14,494 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 24, 2022 7:33AM

    @OAKSTAR said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @Kurisu said:
    A 2000 D here in Denver from a roll last night.
    And I agree...I go through quite a few Sacs and don't see them looking like this often at all.
    This one looks darn weak underneath the wear to begin with...

    I vote counterfeit.

    What's the definitive tell tail sign of a counterfeit? The missing three-layer sandwich material that the genuine pieces have?

    That would be a good indicator, although I have seen one with a painted strip around the edge to simulate the appearance of clad.

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