Well worn Sacagawea

CaptHenway

Nothing special here. My local bank saves all of the small dollars that come in for me because one day I am going to find a circulated Cheerios pattern dollar, and the latest batch included this well worn 2000-D that looks like what a first year brass buck would look like today if brass bucks actually, you know, circulated.

Mr Lindy

I see low end fine, put it in a bag with other pocket coins and get you'll it to good 4 in a year or two. I prefer to put S Mint proofs in my bag of pocket worn coins

JBK

I'd really scrutinize it to see if it's a Colombian counterfeit.

At the very least it might have circulated in Ecuador.

OAKSTAR

Tom- I didn't think anyone else was noticing! I've searched 1000's of these small dollar coins over the past year. You know what I'm looking for 😉 and it's not the Cheerios.

There's something going on with these 2000-D's. It's just strange to me, I see a lot of them that look like this. For whatever reason, these worn down D's jump out at you. I rarely see 2000-P's worn down like this. It's just an observation on my part. Of course, I throw them back.

JBK

2000D was a common subject of the Colombian counterfeits (as well as genuine coins sent to Ecuador to circulate.)

Look at the edge to make sure it has the clad layers.

http://www.smalldollars.com/dollar/add014a.html

CaptHenway

@JBK said:
2000D was a common subject of the Columbian counterfeits (as well as genuine coins sent to Ecuador to circulate.)

Look at the edge to make sure it has the clad layers.

http://www.smalldollars.com/dollar/add014a.html

Um, I used to teach the ANA Summer Seminar course on Counterfeit Detection when I was their Senior Authenticator, so I think the piece is genuine.

Twobitcollector

This was my pocket piece. I got a roll on the first day they were available at the Walmart in Laconia, NH.

Twobitcollector

By the way I put it in my Dansco 7070

gumby1234

Some small dollar coins do circulate. The MBTA (subway) used them. If you got change from one of their vending machines you got a pocket full of them. They use vending machines for everything including train and bus passes.

JBK

@CaptHenway said:

@JBK said:
2000D was a common subject of the Columbian counterfeits (as well as genuine coins sent to Ecuador to circulate.)

Look at the edge to make sure it has the clad layers.

http://www.smalldollars.com/dollar/add014a.html

Um, I used to teach the ANA Summer Seminar course on Counterfeit Detection when I was their Senior Authenticator, so I think the piece is genuine.

Um, I figured other people might read your thread and appreciate the information about potential counterfeits and places where our Sacagawea dollars actually heavily circulate.

And um, my post that you quoted followed Oakstar's post showing two more beat up Sacagaweas. Was he a Senior Authenticator with you?

lilolme

@gumby1234 said:
Some small dollar coins do circulate. The MBTA (subway) used them. If you got change from one of their vending machines you got a pocket full of them. They use vending machines for everything including train and bus passes.

While not true today, at one time the change machine at my post office gave out these for stamps (and maybe postage).

ricko

I have received the Sacagawea's in change from the Post Office machine and a vending machine at work... The one's I get show some wear, but not as much as the one @CaptHenway shows in the OP. Recently been getting Prezzy bucks back. Cheers, RickO

NumisOxide

Anyone have a Poor-1 example?

WilliamF

@gumby1234 said:
Some small dollar coins do circulate. The MBTA (subway) used them. If you got change from one of their vending machines you got a pocket full of them. They use vending machines for everything including train and bus passes.

I still get them in change at car washes.

Kurisu

A 2000 D here in Denver from a roll last night.
And I agree...I go through quite a few Sacs and don't see them looking like this often at all.
This one looks darn weak underneath the wear to begin with...

JMS1223

Has anyone ever had trouble trying to spend small dollar coins? Do they look at you funny and don’t know what it is (similar to spending $2 bills)?

I only spent them once or twice and didn’t have trouble but maybe I got lucky and they just happened to know what they are.

P0CKETCHANGE

@JMS1223 said:
Has anyone ever had trouble trying to spend small dollar coins? Do they look at you funny and don’t know what it is (similar to spending $2 bills)?

I only spent them once or twice and didn’t have trouble but maybe I got lucky and they just happened to know what they are.

Almost never. Some people give them a second look but usually shrug and take them. I had an ornery postal employee recently that refused to take some NH AI Dollars, but I suppose I can forgive that given they are NIFC and say “Video Game System” on them.

OAKSTAR

Yep, no doubt about it. The D's I'm seeing here on the East Coast, for whatever reason are much worse then the P's I'm seeing.

Swampboy

@JBK said:

@CaptHenway said:

@JBK said:
2000D was a common subject of the Columbian counterfeits (as well as genuine coins sent to Ecuador to circulate.)

Look at the edge to make sure it has the clad layers.

http://www.smalldollars.com/dollar/add014a.html

Um, I used to teach the ANA Summer Seminar course on Counterfeit Detection when I was their Senior Authenticator, so I think the piece is genuine.

Um, I figured other people might read your thread and appreciate the information about potential counterfeits and places where our Sacagawea dollars actually heavily circulate.

And um, my post that you quoted followed Oakstar's post showing two more beat up Sacagaweas. Was he a Senior Authenticator with you?

Snark is infectious
Now you got me doing it
🍺

OAKSTAR

See what he started? 😂 🤣

OAKSTAR

Cougar1978

Just but in my coin bag for Burger King

Are they circ more now bc of hard times?

OAKSTAR

It won't be long now. I can see it coming. I'll eventually see a modern P01 in my future! 🤣 😂

CaptHenway

they do not wear well, do they?

illini420

Got a couple back from PCGS not too long ago... I'm not the one who wasted the grading fees... was for a customer, ha!

PCGS VG10

PCGS VG08

Zoins

@JBK said:
I'd really scrutinize it to see if it's a Colombian counterfeit.

At the very least it might have circulated in Ecuador.

If it is, it could be interesting for contemporary counterfeit collectors.

Zoins

@illini420 said:
Got a couple back from PCGS not too long ago... I'm not the one who wasted the grading fees... was for a customer, ha!

PCGS VG10

PCGS VG08

What was your customer hoping for? Something lower?

OAKSTAR

@illini420 said:
I'm not the one who wasted the grading fees... was for a customer, ha!

I was wondering about that.

OAKSTAR

@Zoins said:

@illini420 said:
Got a couple back from PCGS not too long ago... I'm not the one who wasted the grading fees... was for a customer, ha!

What was your customer hoping for? Something lower?

braddick

The 8 looks stronger than the the 10!

CaptHenway

@braddick said:
The 8 looks stronger than the the 10!

Yeah.

OAKSTAR

Amazing the difference in these. The only P I've seen like this, is the one @illini420 just posted.

Zoins

Wow, there's no low ball set for Sacagawea dollars:

https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/u-s-coins/low-ball-sets/139

NumisOxide

@CaptHenway said:

@braddick said:
The 8 looks stronger than the the 10!

Yeah.

Think they net graded it for the reverse hits.

CaptHenway

I would like to see the grading set examples in this range.

DCW

I really like the way these babies look circulated. They have that "dirty old gold" look to them. I've personally seen these circulating in Ecuador. You can get them in change (like how money is supposed to work.) 😆
I saved one that was rather worn. When I find it, I'll add a picture to this post.

PerryHall

@DCW said:
I really like the way these babies look circulated. They have that "dirty old gold" look to them. I've personally seen these circulating in Ecuador. You can get them in change (like how money is supposed to work.) 😆
I saved one that was rather worn. When I find it, I'll add a picture to this post.

Sacajawea dollars are legal tender in Ecuador and have been heavily counterfeited there. The FBI and Secret Service sent agents there to help their government suppress this counterfeiting. These coins are popular there because Sacajawea's portrait looks a lot like their indigenous Indians.

OAKSTAR

Any pictures, characteristics or parameters of these counterfeits floating around out here somewhere?

DCW

Floridafacelifter

OAKSTAR

@illini420 - Do you think she would straight grade?

CaptHenway

Good-6?

OAKSTAR

We're almost there. Won't be long now! 😂 🤣

OAKSTAR

We're still looking @CaptHenway. With the exception of the rolling machine damage, we're getting closer! I keep saying we're getting closer! 😂 🤣

jmlanzaf

@Kurisu said:
A 2000 D here in Denver from a roll last night.
And I agree...I go through quite a few Sacs and don't see them looking like this often at all.
This one looks darn weak underneath the wear to begin with...

I vote counterfeit.

Kurisu

@jmlanzaf said:

@Kurisu said:
A 2000 D here in Denver from a roll last night.
And I agree...I go through quite a few Sacs and don't see them looking like this often at all.
This one looks darn weak underneath the wear to begin with...

I vote counterfeit.

Now I need to find it lol

OAKSTAR

@jmlanzaf said:

@Kurisu said:
A 2000 D here in Denver from a roll last night.
And I agree...I go through quite a few Sacs and don't see them looking like this often at all.
This one looks darn weak underneath the wear to begin with...

I vote counterfeit.

What's the definitive tell tail sign of a counterfeit? The missing three-layer sandwich material that the genuine pieces have?

jmlanzaf

@OAKSTAR said:

@jmlanzaf said:

@Kurisu said:
A 2000 D here in Denver from a roll last night.
And I agree...I go through quite a few Sacs and don't see them looking like this often at all.
This one looks darn weak underneath the wear to begin with...

I vote counterfeit.

What's the definitive tell tail sign of a counterfeit? The missing three-layer sandwich material that the genuine pieces have?

Probably. I was mostly going by the squishy look of the devices. I really can't be sure from the photo.

OAKSTAR

Thanks @jmlanzaf

skier07

@PerryHall said:

@DCW said:
I really like the way these babies look circulated. They have that "dirty old gold" look to them. I've personally seen these circulating in Ecuador. You can get them in change (like how money is supposed to work.) 😆
I saved one that was rather worn. When I find it, I'll add a picture to this post.

Sacajawea dollars are legal tender in Ecuador and have been heavily counterfeited there. The FBI and Secret Service sent agents there to help their government suppress this counterfeiting. These coins are popular there because Sacajawea's portrait looks a lot like their indigenous Indians.

The US dollar is the official currency of Ecuador

JBK

@OAKSTAR said:

@jmlanzaf said:

@Kurisu said:
A 2000 D here in Denver from a roll last night.
And I agree...I go through quite a few Sacs and don't see them looking like this often at all.
This one looks darn weak underneath the wear to begin with...

I vote counterfeit.

What's the definitive tell tail sign of a counterfeit? The missing three-layer sandwich material that the genuine pieces have?

That would be a good indicator, although I have seen one with a painted strip around the edge to simulate the appearance of clad.