@TurtleCat I got a bank bag from a local coin store to finish my fathers wheat penny book and it was in there. I found some really nice Ones but this was what I believe is the best of them all.
Congratulations
Yes, I also just found 2, while CRHunting recently.
While going through the 50 rolls from the bank, the 2 were in a 3 roll separation.
In other words, 2 were within 3 rolls!
1st one
2nd one
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@ERingus said:
I’m not sure which type they are. If I’m not mistaken I read there are several types of this specific coin.
They are 1909 VDB cents and they are very cool to find in the wild, but there is only one "type" of 1909 VDB cent. There were other cent issues from the US Mint in 1909 and they include the 1909 and 1909-S Indian Head cents, the 1909-S VDB Lincoln cent (the coin you may have been thinking of when you wrote the quoted post), and the 1909 and 1909-S Lincoln cents.
All are cool and all are incredibly rare to find in rolls or change.
Another one of my post just went missing?
As far as the normal there is only one type of this coin, or one verity.
But, technically that's not exactly true.
There is two different strikes of the reverse of this coin that can be clearly defined.
There is what we call a Type 1 reverse.
Type 1 has the reverse style much the same as the 1909S-VDB, in that it has the Shallow "N" font in UNITED and it also has the same designer's initials as the SVDB, the period following the "V" is higher, the period following the "D" is centered between the "D" & the "B" and the cross bar of the "B" is more slanted.
The type 2 has a deep valley "N" style font and has the design change to the designer's initials with the period following the "V" lower and closer to the rim, the period following the "D" is centered of the "D" & the "B" and the cross bar of the "B" is a little more straight.
The two coin images that @joeykoins posted is examples of both types, the top one is the type 2 & the bottom is the type 1
I recently bought a type 1 to add to my collection, I already had the type 2.
Here is the images of the one I bought, I did look for one that was a good example of the coin.
Its haunting how much the reverse of this coin looks like a genuine SVDB.
"I Prefer Dangerous Freedom Over Peaceful Slavery"
Thomas Jefferson!
In a "bank bag" sold by a coin store,
they will often add a couple of good ones like your 1909 VDB,
so you get the thrill of finding it.
In general, it is hard to find valuable wheat cents,
because many of them have already been "searched" by other collectors.
Even if they are advertised as "unsearched".
For the purpose of filling a wheat cent album, the first priority is probably just some old ones (1909-1919),
and then those from branch mints (D and S).
After that, it's lower mintage / higher value coins.
Usually people have a Red Book to show relative values and mintages.
Your father may have one from when he collected.
Most people won't be able to find the "key dates" (1909-S, 1909-S VDB, 1914-D, 1931-S),
in bulk lots, as these are prime targets from past searches.
If the album was full, then people will sometimes continue the search
by looking for die varieties like RPDs and DDOs.
Just a comment. A week ago I found a 1907 D Dime in a Coinstar machine. It was cleaned, had some scratches and it looked like something tried to take a bite out of Miss Liberty. Wear wise, it would probably grade G 06-08, as it had full rims and you could clearly see the L in Liberty.
Your 09 Lincolns, on the other hand if not for hits / scratches, show very little wear for 113 year old coins. The top one would probably grade VF 35, and the second one XF 45. That's nothing short of amazing.
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@MarkW63 said:
Another one of my post just went missing?
As far as the normal there is only one type of this coin, or one verity.
But, technically that's not exactly true.
There is two different strikes of the reverse of this coin that can be clearly defined.
There is what we call a Type 1 reverse.
Type 1 has the reverse style much the same as the 1909S-VDB, in that it has the Shallow "N" font in UNITED and it also has the same designer's initials as the SVDB, the period following the "V" is higher, the period following the "D" is centered between the "D" & the "B" and the cross bar of the "B" is more slanted.
The type 2 has a deep valley "N" style font and has the design change to the designer's initials with the period following the "V" lower and closer to the rim, the period following the "D" is centered of the "D" & the "B" and the cross bar of the "B" is a little more straight.
The two coin images that @joeykoins posted is examples of both types, the top one is the type 2 & the bottom is the type 1
I recently bought a type 1 to add to my collection, I already had the type 2.
Here is the images of the one I bought, I did look for one that was a good example of the coin.
Its haunting how much the reverse of this coin looks like a genuine SVDB.
Very cool info.
Thanks for noting I have both types. Did not know this, cool
What again is the difference in both types?
Is it the initials?
Thanks.
"Jesus died for you and for me, Thank you,Jesus"!!!
--- If it should happen I die and leave this world and you want to remember me. Please only remember my opening Sig Line.
@joeykoins
First difference on the reverse is the "N" in UNITED. That's a deep valley "N" vs a shallow valley "N"
The second difference on the reverse is in the style and general layout of the designer's initials.
The period following the "V" is lower to the leg of the "V" (closer to the rim) and the period following the "D" is tucked up closer to the "D" Lastly the cross bar of the "B" isn't slanted enough. This design is what could be called the type 2 and its this one that will have the deep valley "N"
This image shows the two different styles of the designer's initials. (this is used mainly for authenticity of a genuine 09SVDB, but it can be used for this purpose as well.
"I Prefer Dangerous Freedom Over Peaceful Slavery"
Thomas Jefferson!
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I’m not sure which type they are. If I’m not mistaken I read there are several types of this specific coin.
Nice to find, though. In a penny roll?
@TurtleCat I got a bank bag from a local coin store to finish my fathers wheat penny book and it was in there. I found some really nice Ones but this was what I believe is the best of them all.
Congratulations
Yes, I also just found 2, while CRHunting recently.
While going through the 50 rolls from the bank, the 2 were in a 3 roll separation.
In other words, 2 were within 3 rolls!
1st one
2nd one
"Jesus died for you and for me, Thank you,Jesus"!!!
--- If it should happen I die and leave this world and you want to remember me. Please only remember my opening Sig Line.They are 1909 VDB cents and they are very cool to find in the wild, but there is only one "type" of 1909 VDB cent. There were other cent issues from the US Mint in 1909 and they include the 1909 and 1909-S Indian Head cents, the 1909-S VDB Lincoln cent (the coin you may have been thinking of when you wrote the quoted post), and the 1909 and 1909-S Lincoln cents.
All are cool and all are incredibly rare to find in rolls or change.
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Another one of my post just went missing?
As far as the normal there is only one type of this coin, or one verity.
But, technically that's not exactly true.
There is two different strikes of the reverse of this coin that can be clearly defined.
There is what we call a Type 1 reverse.
Type 1 has the reverse style much the same as the 1909S-VDB, in that it has the Shallow "N" font in UNITED and it also has the same designer's initials as the SVDB, the period following the "V" is higher, the period following the "D" is centered between the "D" & the "B" and the cross bar of the "B" is more slanted.
The type 2 has a deep valley "N" style font and has the design change to the designer's initials with the period following the "V" lower and closer to the rim, the period following the "D" is centered of the "D" & the "B" and the cross bar of the "B" is a little more straight.
The two coin images that @joeykoins posted is examples of both types, the top one is the type 2 & the bottom is the type 1
I recently bought a type 1 to add to my collection, I already had the type 2.
Here is the images of the one I bought, I did look for one that was a good example of the coin.
Its haunting how much the reverse of this coin looks like a genuine SVDB.
"I Prefer Dangerous Freedom Over Peaceful Slavery"
Thomas Jefferson!
What are some other wheat penny’s that any of you would suggest be worth searching for? I’m stuck on them! 💙
Are you looking to put together a complete Lincoln collection, or just interested picking some that you think are interesting examples?
"I Prefer Dangerous Freedom Over Peaceful Slavery"
Thomas Jefferson!
In terms of 1909 VDB die varieties, there is also the DDO.
https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/1909-vdb-1c-doubled-die-obverse-bn/82423
In a "bank bag" sold by a coin store,
they will often add a couple of good ones like your 1909 VDB,
so you get the thrill of finding it.
In general, it is hard to find valuable wheat cents,
because many of them have already been "searched" by other collectors.
Even if they are advertised as "unsearched".
For the purpose of filling a wheat cent album, the first priority is probably just some old ones (1909-1919),
and then those from branch mints (D and S).
After that, it's lower mintage / higher value coins.
Usually people have a Red Book to show relative values and mintages.
Your father may have one from when he collected.
Most people won't be able to find the "key dates" (1909-S, 1909-S VDB, 1914-D, 1931-S),
in bulk lots, as these are prime targets from past searches.
If the album was full, then people will sometimes continue the search
by looking for die varieties like RPDs and DDOs.
A good example is the 1917 DDO (look at the "split tips" on the 9 in the above photo).
https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/1917-1c-doubled-die-obverse-bn/92495
Nice finds. While not the rarity of the S VDB, still good for album/series. Definitely keepers. Cheers, RickO
Read the very first post on the very first page of this forum: Resources: Books-Links to read on numismatic series, errors, and varieties. Post again when you have the answer your own question.
Early S and early D mints are generally the more valuable pieces.
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It's good to get them. I hope you get ths s mint some day
Just a comment. A week ago I found a 1907 D Dime in a Coinstar machine. It was cleaned, had some scratches and it looked like something tried to take a bite out of Miss Liberty. Wear wise, it would probably grade G 06-08, as it had full rims and you could clearly see the L in Liberty.
Your 09 Lincolns, on the other hand if not for hits / scratches, show very little wear for 113 year old coins. The top one would probably grade VF 35, and the second one XF 45. That's nothing short of amazing.
"Seu cabra da peste,
"Sou Mangueira......."
I recently found a 2016 p Lincoln shield cent.
Very cool info.
Thanks for noting I have both types. Did not know this, cool
What again is the difference in both types?
Is it the initials?
Thanks.
"Jesus died for you and for me, Thank you,Jesus"!!!
--- If it should happen I die and leave this world and you want to remember me. Please only remember my opening Sig Line.@joeykoins
First difference on the reverse is the "N" in UNITED. That's a deep valley "N" vs a shallow valley "N"
The second difference on the reverse is in the style and general layout of the designer's initials.
The period following the "V" is lower to the leg of the "V" (closer to the rim) and the period following the "D" is tucked up closer to the "D" Lastly the cross bar of the "B" isn't slanted enough. This design is what could be called the type 2 and its this one that will have the deep valley "N"
This image shows the two different styles of the designer's initials. (this is used mainly for authenticity of a genuine 09SVDB, but it can be used for this purpose as well.
"I Prefer Dangerous Freedom Over Peaceful Slavery"
Thomas Jefferson!