Of late, several newbies demonstrate a stubborn streak
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I find it puzzling why this board, versus other boards, attract newbies that are determined not to listen to advice provided by experienced members here. One would think that if one lurked just a little bit, one would see that their prize (roadkill, non-errors, common coins in common condition, etc) would not be the normal fare shown here. Some also dive in with 5+ threads on the same day.
I know the above sounds elitist and I do want to welcome those new to the hobby, but the approach taken and attitude shown by a few of late resisting/arguing with feedback makes this difficult. It seems there are greener pasture elsewhere for these posters.
Hey, I was once a newb and still have A LOT to learn. Nonetheless, I don't think I ever took then the approach many have of late here.
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In my opinion, it's a LOT worse over at NGC. There are a few that just won't stop, and I think rather than their being newbies they're trying to troll for some reason.
It's unfortunate that a few try to troll, but I think a lot of truly new people who are trying to learn don't often come to coin forums first, but go to other sites with different types of info. A brand new person could be easily overwhelmed at times reading some of the posts here. Of course, there are a few trying to be genuine and learn and I think there's nothing better than that.
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Clearly a lot of these new members do not read other threads in order to learn.
I think that real research is a casualty of the tech age. Younger generations are apparently accustomed to having information pushed to them (or given to them).
It's so ironic because the internet has made research many times easier.
I recall a few years ago when ParadiseFound was giving away silver and even gold coins in drawings, and most newer members never entered because they never opened the threads. They were only reading the ones they started.
I have no idea why someone would ask a question and start an argument when they don’t like the answer other then being bored, stupid, or just trolling. Why ask a question if you already know the answer?
While we're on this topic, I found a really cool error coin in the Walmart parking lot that is very rare and must be worth a lot of money. I've never seen another one like it so it must be rare. Where can I sell it so that I can retire early to a life of luxury and leisure? If anyone here tells me it's not valuable, you don't know what you're talking about and you are just jealous that you didn't find it first.
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I don't think it is just this board, CT seems to have the same problem with parking lot finds and machine doubling that some think are valuable errors/varities. I think it is more of a societal problem. We as a society don't want to be told "no" and we only want feedback that reinforces our preconceived notions. Everyone gets a participation trophy... Also as Al said, some are just trolls.
I was a lurker for over nine years before I joined today, so hopefully not all newbies are bad.
It can be exasperating. I think there is a few different issues. Some think they are being conned so they sell it cheap - over cautious. Some definitely think they have something important due to some YouTube video or Etsy - which, as we know, are filled with poor and misleading information. And some of these individuals do not realize that this forum is filled with professionals and coin experts in many fields. The one's described in the OP are likely hopeless, though members do try to diplomatically reason with them. Those are lost - and will drop off. Others will learn and become active, and at some point, contributing members. Meanwhile, we should try to help all new members with good information, until they leave of their own accord. Cheers, RickO
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Research, as in looking up past posts, using the search function, or simply perusing numismatic books seems to be a thing of the past simply because? It takes time!
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It’s exasperating but worth it if a few get help.
Al. Look how well you have made yourself at home , good stuff!!
I spend a few shifts a week ATS and expect the questions I get from a “ newbie forum “.
There’s helpful folks and contrarians. Short and sweet and long winded answers.
Also there’s pcgs forumites over there, just different “handles”. Some very smart folks who prefer the ease of knowing ahead of time who they are dealing with. Ofcourse, there’s trolls there but they receive the same treatment as over here.
Finally, there’s those here who misuse their knowledge and make their pontificating the end all, be all.
Coin collecting is a wonderful hobby, while the business of coins is different, which can make for some complex answers to what seems to be simple questions.
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Let clean up this forum.
Just respond if you want a couple of times and if the OP does want NOT to listen or argue to what you said dont respond to future posts.
While we cannot boot these pests,maybe they will leave or not if nobody replies to their nonsense.
Darn newbies.
It's OK to make mistakes as long as you make them only once. Learn from them and next time, make a different mistake.
I for one wholeheartedly welcome all new members. There are no dumb questions. To keep on the subject, I can not speak for those you've mentioned as to why they do these things. All I could add to them is, if three or more provide the same response to your question, then it's almost certainly correct. But above all, question everything. This is how we truly learn as even the most experienced will always have another who knows a bit more.
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Newbies are not bad - if they are eager to learn and and take friendly advice. That's what keeps the hobby going.
If someone comes in here and trumpets "I know my coin is rare/MS-68 or better/a fantastic quintupled die on a beat up 1998 cent/my quarter isn't bent, it's a rare mint mistake" and jst doesn't listen, it becomes a drag.
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I agree with @FlyingAl it is ten times worse on the NGC board than here. Perhaps so many of the members of the NGC board have been kicked off boards like here and CT is part of that reason, who knows.
Just my 2c, keep in mind that when newbies arrive they are encouraged to ask questions, I do understand that those who become combative have overstayed their welcome, but we all need to be patient too.
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I find it difficult to discern between the genuine newbs (who sincerely want to learn) and the trolls.
I'm thinking that quite a few may, unfortunately, be the latter.
Hope I'm wrong.
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Because I also believe that this is the case:
I often apply this concept:
Agreed.
If you don't want to be bothered, just skip over their threads.
@FlyingAl as a newbie I di appreciate you all putting up with me! 😉
If you want to see bad go to coin community. They get hundreds of noobies thinking they won the coin lottery.
Here are my feelings. The average person has no interest in learning about coins. They see a different coin or currency and go on the internet and read how certain coins are worth $$$$ to $$$$$ and they could use the money so they believe they won the coin lottery! Hence they come on here with there road rashed coins and when told otherwise they get defensive. It’s like trying to argue religion with an atheist, both have different ideas neither are going to change their mind. In the case of not winning the coin lottery not only did they find junk they lost hope of coming out of whatever situation they were in.
Hence we not only killed there dreams and aspirations we also killed any chance they had of escaping the situation there were in. So a defense mechanism kicks in that they get defensive.
Don’t take it personally. Hence once they get defensive why I tell everyone to get there road rashed cents graded.
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Stuff like this doesn't help!
I find some of the newbies argumentative posts entertaining. I get a good laugh out of some of them.
I do believe that many, if not most of these posters, are likely previously banned members.
I find it puzzling why this board, versus other boards, attract newbies that are determined not to listen to advice provided by experienced members here.
As a newer member myself, I am puzzled as why the "experienced members" here insist on engaging with such new members?? If it bothers you, just ignore the thread(s) and move along. Looking at these type of threads by new members it is typically the same "experienced members" who tend to engage them.
I see strange behavior from both sides of that equation.
Totally agree
Some join to learn; some to stir the pot. Some respond in an attempt to help; others (like me) open to watch a train wreck.
A recent newbie’s first post was “good news, I found a 1988D cent. I know nothing about grading but it’s at least ms 67 or 68 and I am offering it to anyone here for $1700.”
For a coin on its best day would fetch $5. I opened, read, and watched the train wreck. When members tried to inform him he was a little off base, ok way off base, he took the advice as insulting. It was suggested if he feels so strongly about the coin submit it for grading, but I think he already knows most of his coins aren’t worth the grading fee.
Yes. I do more business with NGC, but this board is more entertaining.
.................or go straight to the Humor forum and forget about the serious stuff and good advice we give.
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This.
No one's holding a weapon to anyone's head and forcing them to respond to any thread here, newb-created or not.
If such threads offend you so much, then skip them. It's not rocket science.
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By and large most members here are very willing to kindly help new posters out.
That impulse does permit many members to get themselves gamed.
Repeatedly.
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It’s just a sign of the times.
Many people have declined mentally ,are more closed minded, greedy, selfish and outright lazy.
Some may indeed have “Covid fog” (lol) though this is no joke.
Far too many don’t even possess the most rudimentary skills to perform intelligent research- in a time when the tools for such are more widely available than ever. The “noise” has muddied the resources and many don’t have the wherewithal to separate the noise from what’s true and real. Others just don’t believe anything anymore and wall themselves off in that mindset- thus becoming stubborn in their delusions.
I blame the internet and social media for some of this, but that’s just one factor. I believe it’s shortened peoples attention spans and magnified their own echo chambers of personal belief systems- no matter how warped those may be.
There I go getting philosophical again….
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If one really wants to reply to a poster repeatedly ignoring information, I would recommend telling the poster to seek actual confirmation. List your vice job quarter for $50,000 on eBay. Submit your clearly not DDO 1955 cent to PCGS for grading. They won't do cursory research or accept multiple knowledgable opinions here. So they can seek validation elsewhere.
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You're right! As a society we certainly don't want to be told "No" and we tend to gravitate towards "confirmation bias"... we're only going to agree with those that reinforce our opinions even though that opinion isn't informed by any knowledge base. Believe me, over the last two years I've seen this on a daily basis with regard to Science! Another thing that the general public doesn't want to do... is read! Everyone is looking for the "Readers Digest" version of a book and even THAT's too much to read for some.
...and then, there are the trolls!
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There are a few people who are out to disrupt here and ATS. To them it's funny and gets them the attention they crave. I find it very sad. I think a lot of this is coming because of the so called 'experts' troll You Tube.
Maybe I’m giving newbies the benefit of the doubt, but I think it’s harder than ever to determine what is real information and what is not. When I started collecting in the 90s, pre-social media, there wasn’t nearly as much disinformation out there. If you are brand new, how do you know which YouTube channels are legit? There are truly amazing dealers with channels and there are scammers. How do you know if those EBay sold listings are real or those Etsy coins are worthless? Most of all, how do you know which forums and which forum members have credibility?
It’s easy for excitement and impatience to take over. It’s also hard to be told your coin is worthless when you have high hopes. These sorts of defensive reactions happen all the time in hobbies where it takes experience to appraise value - antiques, cars, etc.
Thanks everyone for the warm welcome. I will still probably lurk most of the time, but will try to chime in if I have something productive to add to the conversation.
Imbeciles? They're out there in huge numbers, many with very limited knowledge about coins, how the World turns on its axis....in all walks/echelons of life. There should be a road test they/everyone needs to pass before receiving privileges to post or there should be a special forum they can attend before they can graduate/rub elbows with the elite,....call it, "Coin Collecting 101". I rather avoid such repetitive banter believing it's a waste of time. 99%, whatever the dribble is, can simply be researched for/by themselves, it's such/so basic stuff. But they must show some acumen/learning on their part.
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There will be those who are arrogant and don't want to accept the truth (or just don't like being wrong). A post from a newbie a couple of weeks ago comes right to mind. I don't believe he/she was being attacked. They brought a bad attitude.
Then there will be others who just don't know the grading system or ever heard of PCGS or NGC until recently. These individuals may only know about coins from informercials, HSN, sites like Offer Up, flea markets, or believe inaccurate info they may have heard from someone else. For the seasoned collector on here I can understand it can be frustrating but...PCGS does open this up to all and the newbies are going to constantly be coming. They might range from being snakes to just being naive, good people who don't know any better and now here looking for answers, curiosity, and/or the social experience.
I can't speak for all but I know I enjoy seeing the shared pics, questions, and feedback. There are things specific to me that are common knowledge but then also things I find I was unaware of that I probably wouldn't have found doing a search online, in a library, or poking around at Barnes & Noble. We're not all at the same coin collecting level so the easiest thing to do is just skip the topics that are of no interest or seem ridiculous. I myself come here to unwind, relax, and enjoy a great hobby.
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In many cases, so-called newbies are people with an axe to grind and they're just trolling. Many of the threads are created with similar photo techniques, grammar, and sentence structure. If you don't think so, you're not paying attention. In my mind, new members are suspect even in the best of times until they've proven they have a minimal degree of intelligence, manners, and social acumen.
Life is short. There's not enough time for drama or nonsense. The onus is on new members to demonstrate that they can be a contributing member of the community.
I don't know the specifics, but I would assume newbs are joining the forums because some highly animated YouTuber has them very excited about all the money they can make in coins. So they come here, and we give them the disappointing truth that they don't want to hear.
I see that too.
Pay no mind to them.
Too old to entertain.
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Tough read. I hate newbies as well. You ought to reread what you said you contradict yourself & you make it sound like the world stop progressing oh jeez stop.
I digress, I don't know you. I read what you wrote & It's almost scripted. The script being your actual real life.Kind of like NPC person. I'm serious. Not trolling. reading that I felt your pain. Damn. What a horrible way to live life with that Perception. with that thought process.
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