Question About My 1878 CC Morgan

Ryan3

Hey again everyone! Hope everyone has been having a great week!

I had another question/wanted some feedback on another coin that I had. As I mentioned in my first post, I have purchased some coins/lots over the years but mainly kept them in a safe until recently. Just kinda started going back through some stuff and had a question regarding this coin.

The coin is a 1878 CC Morgan and it's really nice. I'm unable to post a picture here because I still haven't become a member. I'm not sure if I'm supposed to do something else but still says applicant for me. For now, I can only post a quick picture to my flickr account. I completely understand if you prefer to not click a link but it's all I can do at the moment. My questions are below...

https://www.flickr.com/photos/147296712@N06/52098183290/in/dateposted-public/

1. Since the coin is ungraded, how would you describe this coin in general? I wouldn't want to mislead someone but I see people list coins with "GEM BU", "Choice +", "Proof Like" etc etc. The coin def has a proof like shine to it but when I look at the PCGS grade examples, I see several coins like AU58 or MS PR-60 that look similar to mine in the photos.

2. Are the coins with this type of shine considered uncirculated? I'm asking because I've seen several coins that were similar to mine and they state it being uncirculated. I just wouldn't know because I purchased the coins years ago lol.

Any info/feedback is appreciated!

LanceNewmanOCC

jughead1893

The Morgan looks unc to me,baggy,61

pursuitofliberty

To answer your question, the 78-cc appears to be a low-end Unc, say MS-61 as I think the obverse has nicer fields than a 60 would be. It's pretty baggy, but definitely looks Unc. Authenticity on Morgan's is not my specialty, so take a close look at the MM, but it appears legit.

Two other pictures were added when Lance posted your stuff, so ...

The 21 looks EF45 to AU53, depending on luster. Probably a low AU. Looks original-ish

The 09-s VDB is cleaned with environmental damage, and I question it's authenticity. Gut feeling. Something looks and feels off.

ifthevamzarockin

The 78 cc appears genuine and mint state around MS-60 to 62

The 21 Peace looks like it might be around an AU-53 to 58

The 09svdb is genuine and appears to have been cleaned

Ryan3

Thanks for posting the picture of the coin for me Lance! Was only referencing the 78 CC Morgan though.

jughead- Thank you for the info! I've got to look up what baggy means now haha

Pursuit - Thank you for the info! Yeah I need to probably get some better pictures of the Morgan but I wasn't sure if it was considered UNC or if I could put it MS 60-61 area.

ifthevamzarockin - Thanks again for the info. You have given me so much great info on the S-VDB stuff and every other question that I asked. Much appreciated! I appreciate the info on the 78 CC as I just wanted to make sure I understood the best calculation on condition for it.

gumby1234

@Ryan3 Baggy is slang for bag marks which are marks from the coins being tossed around in a canvas bag with 999 other coins.

Walkerguy21D

I agree with @pursuitofliberty on all counts, especially the concerns about the authenticity of the cent.

MFeld

The 1878-CC dollar looks approximately MS62 and the 1921, approximately AU53. The best case scenario for the S-VDB cent would be that it's genuine, but cleaned. It merits in-hand examination by a qualified numismatist.

Kliao

The '78-CC appears to be genuine and I would grade it a 62 at best as it's very baggy. I don't see sign of PL fields, but I do suspect it could have been dipped at some point.

ricko

@Ryan3 ... I would put the Morgan at MS60-61....Cheers, RickO

AUandAG

MS62, Cheek is not too bad really.

bob

skier07

I bought a raw 1909-S VDB at a local auction in LA while the Long Beach show was in town. The coin looked real but I’m far from an expert and it was very cheap. I stopped at Long Beach on my way home and showed the coin to three experts. One said it was cleaned but they made an offer, another said it was fake, while another said it would straight grade. It resides in a PCGS/CAC 35 holder today.

Ryan3

Thank you guys for the info! Def understand what baggy means now!
Also, appreciate the feedback on what you think the 78 CC condition would fall under. That was the main thing that I was trying to decide. It was a coin that I purchased before in a bigger lot but was one of the nicer ones in there!

As far as my S-VDB penny goes, it's a genuine coin but it has been cleaned. I knew that it had been cleaned in some capacity many years ago when I got it. I posted a thread several weeks ago about it and lots of great people shared their thoughts on it. I've never had a coin graded/authenticated myself but I thought it may be best to do it with this coin. (no matter if I kept it or sold it)

TPRC

62, 50, and cleaned respectively

lilolme

@Ryan3
I noticed that an Applicant was able to post a Flickr picture. It had the format of something like:
live static Flickr jpeg/jpg (with a number)
Don't know anything about it but since you are on Flickr thought you might know how to do live static jpeg/jpg thing and see if it works. If I see the other post will forward the format.