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1880-O is this a slider?

SoldiSoldi Posts: 1,978 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited April 3, 2022 8:52AM in U.S. Coin Forum

I learned to grade plastic holders way back when a MS 64 was a "Ohhhh-just-miss 65" dealers were ranting; no way I'm following this standard it's too strict, too tight, the crack of plastic was everywhere on the bourse. Now, this coin as shown and my question to you. Is this what Wayne Miller is talking about on page 89 or Steve Ivy-Ron Howard page 22 ? Is this coin a "slider" ?
It resides in a high mint state holder. Any guess from the picture? Please, no second guessing "ME" just SUBJECTIVE view points on the grade based on the cheek and neck. Thank you. Regards, Michael


  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭

    the differentiation of surface contact marks (slide marks moving around in a 1000 count bag) and miniscule cabinet friction and then true but minor circulation or mishandling surface contact breaks.

    this is basically one of the DMZs of numismatics and watching the submission results from the tpgs over the years has been interesting and i bet the conversations on said subject, especially for morgans, has been extensive.

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    on the wall at one or more of them.

    THAT said, while it is quite obvious the high points have surface breaks, hence the shiny metal, does the coin overall look like it met what qualifies as circulation or not. i've seen 65s like this the past few years but from the pics, i'd go no higher than 64 and that is if unc surfaces hold up under in-hand examination.

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  • pursuitoflibertypursuitofliberty Posts: 6,346 ✭✭✭✭✭

    My WAG ... it's in a 64 or 64+ holder ... AND it is Uncirculated ... AND it does have the friction and contact marks of bag storage where coins jostled around a bit

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  • SoldiSoldi Posts: 1,978 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Lance and Pursuit man you guys are sharp! So far I've tapped into the intelligence that's getting my head back on straight.

  • amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That 2nd pic makes it look like it has putty on it!

  • david3142david3142 Posts: 3,309 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 3, 2022 11:00AM

    Normally “slider” means high AU that may fit in pretty well with an MS set (or sometimes sold as Unc by less-than-scrupulous (or less knowledgeable) dealers). In the case of an 80-O you are almost never going to get the benefit of the doubt at any level, especially at 65. The price jump from 64 to 65 is huge. Had you not said anything about “high grade” I would have guessed no higher than 63+ for this coin given the cheek and left field chatter. Uncertainty over images means it wouldn’t shock me to learn that it’s a 64 but I would be surprised at anything higher than that. It does not look like a gem candidate to me.

  • coastaljerseyguycoastaljerseyguy Posts: 1,108 ✭✭✭✭✭

    From photo do not think it is a slider. Minimum 63 and maybe 64

  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 33,024 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If you want a grade, you should post pictures of both sides. From the side that is visible, I'd say MS-63.

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  • sweetwillietsweetwilliet Posts: 2,304 ✭✭✭

    My opinion from pics of just the obverse is that it is a 63, and appears semi prooflike in the second picture. I don’t think it should go any higher, I would be very surprised if it were in a 65 holder. It does appear mint state to me as well.

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  • SoldiSoldi Posts: 1,978 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 3, 2022 4:20PM

    Well, as I asked, is it what Wayne and Ivy and Howard are exposing in their books. The reverse of the coin is a lock 65.
    The coins grade wasn't the question, but all of you guys are spot on and it's not my coin, the coin has been offered to me. When in doubt I don't.

    You're the best guys around and your grading is spot on the coin grades MS 64 and "the benefit of the doubt" was my concern in buying it. I know what the jump is from 4 to 5, but the 64s seem to languish around $1300 or so, So I passed.

    Thank you all for your kind input

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Well, a tad late to the game - again. I had thought 64 from the first pictures, thinking the magnification was accentuating the bag rub etc. Cheers, RickO

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