I'm an old collector, and I have been frustrated by third party grading. Join the club!
Here's a bit of advice. To get very high grades on modern material like this, the coins almost have to float on water. The way some dealers do it is to pick out the best pieces they can find from a selection thousands of pieces and ship in a few with the hope of getting "the big hit." Big hits bring big money from collectors who are obsessed with the registry.
I collect mostly very old coins, so I don't play that game.
Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
Well, your attitude sucks, your knowledge of the hobby-industry sucks and your eye for coins may or may not suck (but it likely sucks, too) so I guess that makes you a perfect three-for-three. You are right, this hobby isn't for you and you would probably be better off gone.
Grading is an opinion. Do not be upset that the opinion of professionals who have been grading for years is different from someone who is not and has not. Don't play the sex card, your name never entered the grading room. A serious collector would take this as a learning experience. Someone looking to score profit would be very unhappy.
The things I don’t always agree with are always worth considering.
Reading this helped take the edge off a 4.5 hour layover. If a streaming service were to make a reality drama series titled "The Disgruntled Coin Submitter" this would certainly become the script of the next episode.
Since we have time before it goes poof, try a guess the grade - but don’t post screenshots of the trueviews.
Go to where your TV is the only thing on the screen and it’s huge
Copy the TV image
Paste the TV in the image editor and block out the cert number
Put a Number (1,2,3,…) there instead
Copy the TV from the image editor and paste it into the thread
I agree with you on this one. With the marks on the obverse I would not give it a 66 and would not be too surprised if I saw it in a 64 holder. The reverse is not well struck and the bottom band on the left side is not fully split.
I agree with you on this one. With the marks on the obverse I would not give it a 66 and would not be too surprised if I saw it in a 64 holder. The reverse is not well struck and the bottom band on the left side is not fully split.
@Kwang said:
I submitted 8 coins. JBK alot of opinions, some way out on a limb but none about the photos? Everyone walking on eggshells it seems when it comes to them.
Eggshells- those TV have shadows. I don’t want to be wrong
. Hey, who wants to play a game with me? It will be like a going away or good riddence gift. Anyone?
3 pictures, 6 dimes. Are they both full bands? None full bands? Or is one FB and one not?
6 answers: what do you think they are?
In light of your ongoing combativeness toward other members, I'll go ahead and quote you just so everyone can read your original rant even if edited later.
There's an art to making top pops. You want to start with an easy to grade coin then guide their eye higher. So if I wanted to make a 67 Morgan, I would send in a 63 (baseline), then behind it, a 64, then a 5, then a 6, then a 7. Each coin being clearly nicer than the prior.
Seeing as you're quitting the hobby due to your inability to grade, I'll just wrap this up by wishing you the best.
Professional Numismatist. "It's like God, Family, Country, except Sticker, Plastic, Coin."
@DelawareDoons said:
There's an art to making top pops. You want to start with an easy to grade coin then guide their eye higher. So if I wanted to make a 67 Morgan, I would send in a 63 (baseline), then behind it, a 64, then a 5, then a 6, then a 7. Each coin being clearly nicer than the prior.
Seeing as you're quitting the hobby due to your inability to grade, I'll just wrap this up by wishing you the best.
And what happens when the coins are viewed in a different order from how you so strategically arranged them?
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
Give the person a fighting chance of not being bammed
Edit
I learned the quote trick from a member here a long time ago.
Some people post the most reduculous and offensive stuff and then delete or edit it later to cover their tracks and then the responses from other members make no sense, or worse, make them seem like the crazy ones.
If the OP wants to edit all their offensive posts and offer some kind of sincere acknowledgment that they were inappropriate then I'll edit my posts as well.
I don't care about apologies, but there needs to be some sort of humility or retraction on some level.
I am still not convinced that the OP is not an alt. When they posted this thread they had only three posts on PCGS, and two of them were in the Sports Memorabilia forum. That just doesn't square with their claim that they had previously learned a lot from the people here. They clearly aren't shy about jumping in with guns blazing, so why was this their first coin-related post?
@DelawareDoons said:
There's an art to making top pops. You want to start with an easy to grade coin then guide their eye higher. So if I wanted to make a 67 Morgan, I would send in a 63 (baseline), then behind it, a 64, then a 5, then a 6, then a 7. Each coin being clearly nicer than the prior.
Seeing as you're quitting the hobby due to your inability to grade, I'll just wrap this up by wishing you the best.
And what happens when the coins are viewed in a different order from how you so strategically arranged them?
Well, in that event, they're usually moving backwards. It's not too common they get shuffled completely outta order.
Side note; Most of the time when I'm doing this I am talking about bulk grading as well, so I am submitting in rolls. And yes, I have lots of success getting higher grades this way.
Professional Numismatist. "It's like God, Family, Country, except Sticker, Plastic, Coin."
I wonder if the OP, had a childhood where he/she/it experienced nothing other than:
A. "everyone is a winner";
B. "you are great at everything";
C. "competition is bad";
D. "everyone is equal";
E. "you are special since you have a pulse"; and
F. "participation trophies for all, including for those who merely show up"
as the norm.
If so, then this thread, the drama contained herein and the OP's departure from the hobby is understandable.
May the OP find another area of human endeavor to participate in that works for the OP.
These random thoughts bouncing around my head after reading this thread follow:
People are not all the same.
People have different levels of abilities (intellectual, physical, etc.) due to genetics, life experience, ambition, drive, goals, wants, needs and desires.
Equality in all things human will never happen. It is simply not consistent with human nature.
Equal opportunity is desirable.
Equal outcome is a deplorable fantasy that will never be obtained and maintained (if all wealth was reduced to cash and given in equal shares to all, within 24 hours some will be broke and some will be millionaires due to personal choices and events).
Knowledge and experience, coupled with hard work will result in opportunity for one to benefit.
Failure is the best teacher, as you learn more from it than you learn from your successes.
If you can not deal with failure then do not play the game (whatever it may be).
Stand on the sideline and watch, but do not complain about how unfair it is that others who play the game sometimes win.
Threads like this one are ones that I read both with sadness and with fascination.
I wonder if the OP will post further replies; and I wonder when this thread will be closed.
New Collector- My 2nd PCGS submission was returned to me- I will quit this hobby
A Trueview picture
What am I missing? I would hope that coins sent to PCGS would be returned, that is what everyone would expect... If you sent coins to PCGS and they weren't returned to you, i supposed there would be a lot of people that would stop the service.
There are many Trueview pictures, thanks for posting one of the hundreds of thousands.
New Collector- My 2nd PCGS submission was returned to me- I will quit this hobby
A Trueview picture
What am I missing? I would hope that coins sent to PCGS would be returned, that is what everyone would expect... If you sent coins to PCGS and they weren't returned to you, i supposed there would be a lot of people that would stop the service.
There are many Trueview pictures, thanks for posting one of the hundreds of thousands.
You’re missing the portion of the original post, which has since been removed by the OP.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
I was the second member to reply to @Kwang 's original post, which has since been removed by the author. In my first response, you will see that it was edited. I had originally formatted the rant into paragraphs, versus that wall-o-text that it was, and as preserved in one of @JBK 's subsequent posts. Then I decided to delete it to give @Kwang a chance to edit. Glad that @JBL preserved it.
New Collector- My 2nd PCGS submission was returned to me- I will quit this hobby
A Trueview picture
What am I missing? I would hope that coins sent to PCGS would be returned, that is what everyone would expect... If you sent coins to PCGS and they weren't returned to you, i supposed there would be a lot of people that would stop the service.
There are many Trueview pictures, thanks for posting one of the hundreds of thousands.
You’re missing the portion of the original post, which has since been removed by the OP.
JBK captured her original opening post using the quote feature. He anticipated that she may delete it to cover her tracks and he was correct.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
BTW, it is my opinion that the OP is not a girl, but rather a 22 year old male. The girl, skirt, pom-pom, and similar wording was just hyperbole. Possibly an alcohol induced rant.
You can't send coins to PCGS like you would purchase scratch-off tickets at your local convenience store. If you scratch a winner, good on you. If all your tickets are losers, don't complain to the store clerk, and certainly don't embarrass yourself by posting how good of a scratcher you are to a public forum and show off your losing tickets.
Win some, lose some.
Be joyful when you win. Be an adult when you lose.
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Like a train wreck, I had to look...
Hmmmm
I shall grant this thread my award
This whole rant is so over the top it can’t be real.
I'm an old collector, and I have been frustrated by third party grading. Join the club!
Here's a bit of advice. To get very high grades on modern material like this, the coins almost have to float on water. The way some dealers do it is to pick out the best pieces they can find from a selection thousands of pieces and ship in a few with the hope of getting "the big hit." Big hits bring big money from collectors who are obsessed with the registry.
I collect mostly very old coins, so I don't play that game.
"I go." And hopefully will stay gone.
Very laudable how helpful and patient many of you are with this, um, person.
Poof......
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Hey,,, how bout them Mets this year?
Well, your attitude sucks, your knowledge of the hobby-industry sucks and your eye for coins may or may not suck (but it likely sucks, too) so I guess that makes you a perfect three-for-three. You are right, this hobby isn't for you and you would probably be better off gone.
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Your coins didn't grade the way you expected and aren't worth what you think they should be because of the cesspool of capitalism?
O-kay.
Adios.
Dave
Wait what? Buh bye.
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Grading is an opinion. Do not be upset that the opinion of professionals who have been grading for years is different from someone who is not and has not. Don't play the sex card, your name never entered the grading room. A serious collector would take this as a learning experience. Someone looking to score profit would be very unhappy.
The things I don’t always agree with are always worth considering.
Well that was interesting.
My Collection of Old Holders
Never a slave to one plastic brand will I ever be.
Reading this helped take the edge off a 4.5 hour layover. If a streaming service were to make a reality drama series titled "The Disgruntled Coin Submitter" this would certainly become the script of the next episode.
Millennial
- Ike Group member
- DIVa (Designated Ike Varieties) Project co-lead and attributor
I predict poof
Too much drama for me. Run issues like this by even the most educated high iq people and they will scratch their heads. Life is too short.
65 FB
I had upper left correct
I wasn’t sure about the lower right because of the shadows on the right and left of the lower band
Since we have time before it goes poof, try a guess the grade - but don’t post screenshots of the trueviews.
Go to where your TV is the only thing on the screen and it’s huge
Copy the TV image
Paste the TV in the image editor and block out the cert number
Put a Number (1,2,3,…) there instead
Copy the TV from the image editor and paste it into the thread
If you’ve got like 20 to do, make 4 threads of 5
I agree with you on this one. With the marks on the obverse I would not give it a 66 and would not be too surprised if I saw it in a 64 holder. The reverse is not well struck and the bottom band on the left side is not fully split.
Btw you’re going to be bammed
Perhaps if people edit out the posts, including the op you won’t be
But keep the pictures part!
I took back the no FB and gave it FB
As far as FB from those TVs the shadows at the edges make it tough.
What also makes it tough is that I don’t want to be wrong and have it said that FB is some random thing or that the people here don’t know anything
I predict:
Eggshells- those TV have shadows. I don’t want to be wrong
8 TVs - 2 threads of 4 to guess the grade
. Hey, who wants to play a game with me? It will be like a going away or good riddence gift. Anyone?
Come on jbk
Give the person a fighting chance of not being bammed
Edit
There's an art to making top pops. You want to start with an easy to grade coin then guide their eye higher. So if I wanted to make a 67 Morgan, I would send in a 63 (baseline), then behind it, a 64, then a 5, then a 6, then a 7. Each coin being clearly nicer than the prior.
Seeing as you're quitting the hobby due to your inability to grade, I'll just wrap this up by wishing you the best.
Professional Numismatist. "It's like God, Family, Country, except Sticker, Plastic, Coin."
And what happens when the coins are viewed in a different order from how you so strategically arranged them?
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
I learned the quote trick from a member here a long time ago.
Some people post the most reduculous and offensive stuff and then delete or edit it later to cover their tracks and then the responses from other members make no sense, or worse, make them seem like the crazy ones.
If the OP wants to edit all their offensive posts and offer some kind of sincere acknowledgment that they were inappropriate then I'll edit my posts as well.
I don't care about apologies, but there needs to be some sort of humility or retraction on some level.
I am still not convinced that the OP is not an alt. When they posted this thread they had only three posts on PCGS, and two of them were in the Sports Memorabilia forum. That just doesn't square with their claim that they had previously learned a lot from the people here. They clearly aren't shy about jumping in with guns blazing, so why was this their first coin-related post?
Well, in that event, they're usually moving backwards. It's not too common they get shuffled completely outta order.
Side note; Most of the time when I'm doing this I am talking about bulk grading as well, so I am submitting in rolls. And yes, I have lots of success getting higher grades this way.
Professional Numismatist. "It's like God, Family, Country, except Sticker, Plastic, Coin."
Hopefully @Kwang will become as proficient at grading as he at finger pointing.
I'm not holding my breath.
What a waste of time this was.
No amount of anything will dissuade the clueless.
Pete
I wonder if the OP, had a childhood where he/she/it experienced nothing other than:
A. "everyone is a winner";
B. "you are great at everything";
C. "competition is bad";
D. "everyone is equal";
E. "you are special since you have a pulse"; and
F. "participation trophies for all, including for those who merely show up"
as the norm.
If so, then this thread, the drama contained herein and the OP's departure from the hobby is understandable.
May the OP find another area of human endeavor to participate in that works for the OP.
These random thoughts bouncing around my head after reading this thread follow:
People are not all the same.
People have different levels of abilities (intellectual, physical, etc.) due to genetics, life experience, ambition, drive, goals, wants, needs and desires.
Equality in all things human will never happen. It is simply not consistent with human nature.
Equal opportunity is desirable.
Equal outcome is a deplorable fantasy that will never be obtained and maintained (if all wealth was reduced to cash and given in equal shares to all, within 24 hours some will be broke and some will be millionaires due to personal choices and events).
Knowledge and experience, coupled with hard work will result in opportunity for one to benefit.
Failure is the best teacher, as you learn more from it than you learn from your successes.
If you can not deal with failure then do not play the game (whatever it may be).
Stand on the sideline and watch, but do not complain about how unfair it is that others who play the game sometimes win.
Threads like this one are ones that I read both with sadness and with fascination.
I wonder if the OP will post further replies; and I wonder when this thread will be closed.
What am I missing? 1978 D? Is a full torch hard to find?
BHNC #248 … 108 and counting.
Gaslighting?
What am I missing? I would hope that coins sent to PCGS would be returned, that is what everyone would expect... If you sent coins to PCGS and they weren't returned to you, i supposed there would be a lot of people that would stop the service.
There are many Trueview pictures, thanks for posting one of the hundreds of thousands.
How true.
The OP could have come here to express frustration, for example, and ask for guidance as to why their expectations didn't match reality.
Instead, they chose to condemn the process that they don't understand.
You’re missing the portion of the original post, which has since been removed by the OP.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
I was the second member to reply to @Kwang 's original post, which has since been removed by the author. In my first response, you will see that it was edited. I had originally formatted the rant into paragraphs, versus that wall-o-text that it was, and as preserved in one of @JBK 's subsequent posts. Then I decided to delete it to give @Kwang a chance to edit. Glad that @JBL preserved it.
JBK captured her original opening post using the quote feature. He anticipated that she may delete it to cover her tracks and he was correct.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
I don’t get it. Why would you send those in for grading? Those are worth ten cents each.
BTW, it is my opinion that the OP is not a girl, but rather a 22 year old male. The girl, skirt, pom-pom, and similar wording was just hyperbole. Possibly an alcohol induced rant.
Not a Millennial, the OP was Gen Z
Goodbye KANG,,,,
If we are talking about Full Bands none of the dimes appear to have them.
They are all closed on the sides of the torch.
You can't send coins to PCGS like you would purchase scratch-off tickets at your local convenience store. If you scratch a winner, good on you. If all your tickets are losers, don't complain to the store clerk, and certainly don't embarrass yourself by posting how good of a scratcher you are to a public forum and show off your losing tickets.
Win some, lose some.
Be joyful when you win. Be an adult when you lose.
peacockcoins
You couldnt pay me to own those dimes. Those are ugly.