Submitting a coin for PCGS Restoration in no way guarantees the upgrade of your coin. If the coin is already in a PCGS holder, it is guaranteed not to downgrade, nothing more. Through our restoration service, PCGS is committed to preserving and restoring coins to their original and natural condition.
I know I'm in the minority but I hate rattlers I get people love them so it could cost money to crack but if I know it's a coin staying in my collection I'd rather have in a new holder with TV and it's not even close.
Glad you're happy with the result. I had something similar where I crossed an NGC 65PL and they sent me it back in a PCGS 65 holder and it was a royal pain in the ass to get it correctly in the 65PL holder but they did eventually take care of it. Maybe the process is more streamlined now but you may need to be patient for a bit!
I’m not sure how I feel about the restoration. The haze is gone which is a plus, but I guess the haze helped cover us some of the chatter or at least made it more palatable. Now the chatter is accentuated. In addition to being weak for the grade, its PL designation is questionable. In short, I think your coin might actually be less valuable without the rattler. At least you could have marketed it as being graded during the conservative rattler days, now it looks like any other maxed out regrade.
@messydesk said:
Big improvement. Got rid of the negative eye appeal and that nasty rattler holder, too.
I'm surprised CS said they'd add the PL back to it, though. My impression is that restoration doesn't guarantee the same grade or designation as before and may even result in a no-grade. Early PL designations were given out quite generously. There are many rattler and NGC fatty DMPLs that wouldn't even grade PL by today's standards. From the picture, I don't know that I'd call that coin PL. Bottom line, however, is that it's a more desirable coin now that it was before.
I don't have the coin back in hand yet so I can't comment on the prooflike appearance just yet but there seems to be good contrast between the fields and devices. I was worried that the coin first came back without PL. When I talked to customer service about the lost PL, I specifically questioned whether the coin was re-graded and truly came back without the PL. He assured me that it was indeed a mechanical error. Not sure I believe it but I will know better when I see the coin in person.
The chatter and whatnot may be more obvious now but if it didn't have the chatter it would probably grade higher.
Also FWIW, when I bought the coin I don't feel like a paid a premium for the holder, so no loss there.
I will be sending it to CAC at some point when they start accepting new members again.
@messydesk said:
Big improvement. Got rid of the negative eye appeal and that nasty rattler holder, too.
I'm surprised CS said they'd add the PL back to it, though. My impression is that restoration doesn't guarantee the same grade or designation as before and may even result in a no-grade. Early PL designations were given out quite generously. There are many rattler and NGC fatty DMPLs that wouldn't even grade PL by today's standards. From the picture, I don't know that I'd call that coin PL. Bottom line, however, is that it's a more desirable coin now that it was before.
I don't have the coin back in hand yet so I can't comment on the prooflike appearance just yet but there seems to be good contrast between the fields and devices. I was worried that the coin first came back without PL. When I talked to customer service about the lost PL, I specifically questioned whether the coin was re-graded and truly came back without the PL. He assured me that it was indeed a mechanical error. Not sure I believe it but I will know better when I see the coin in person.
The chatter and whatnot may be more obvious now but if it didn't have the chatter it would probably grade higher.
Also FWIW, when I bought the coin I don't feel like a paid a premium for the holder, so no loss there.
I will be sending it to CAC at some point when they start accepting new members again.
Field to device contrasts don’t enter into the equation; the PL designation is based on the reflectivity of the fields. I’ll be the first to concede that lower grade MS PL coinage is very difficult to photograph as images that accurately capture the mirrors often exaggerate contact marks reflecting in the fields. I’m hoping that explains what appear to be weaker mirrors, and that I am wrong about it being marginal for the designation.
@messydesk said:
Big improvement. Got rid of the negative eye appeal and that nasty rattler holder, too.
I'm surprised CS said they'd add the PL back to it, though. My impression is that restoration doesn't guarantee the same grade or designation as before and may even result in a no-grade. Early PL designations were given out quite generously. There are many rattler and NGC fatty DMPLs that wouldn't even grade PL by today's standards. From the picture, I don't know that I'd call that coin PL. Bottom line, however, is that it's a more desirable coin now that it was before.
I don't have the coin back in hand yet so I can't comment on the prooflike appearance just yet but there seems to be good contrast between the fields and devices. I was worried that the coin first came back without PL. When I talked to customer service about the lost PL, I specifically questioned whether the coin was re-graded and truly came back without the PL. He assured me that it was indeed a mechanical error. Not sure I believe it but I will know better when I see the coin in person.
The chatter and whatnot may be more obvious now but if it didn't have the chatter it would probably grade higher.
Also FWIW, when I bought the coin I don't feel like a paid a premium for the holder, so no loss there.
I will be sending it to CAC at some point when they start accepting new members again.
I can send it for you. Don't think it'll sticker (if it truly is still PL), but I'll send it.
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Just a suggestion... If you try repeating a tap with your finger at the lower edge of the slab, there is a chance you can manipulate the coin so the Liberty portrait is upright within the slab which will help with the presentation.
Greetings all. I'd love to know more about this technique.
Seems to me that some sort of eccentric tapping would be required in order to induce rotation.
Asking because I have a couple like this and would like a fix!
Just a suggestion... If you try repeating a tap with your finger at the lower edge of the slab, there is a chance you can manipulate the coin so the Liberty portrait is upright within the slab which will help with the presentation.
Greetings all. I'd love to know more about this technique.
Seems to me that some sort of eccentric tapping would be required in order to induce rotation.
Asking because I have a couple like this and would like a fix!
Conrad
Use an electronic toothbrush. Works like a charm
Just shake the coin till it sets in the right position. It’s not difficult. Works with rattlers and some very old holders.
You trusted your gut and you took a big chance, and I love it!
Now get that green bean!
Nice of @DelawareDoons to make the offer, Cheers too you too
Congrats
@Davidcoins said:
Wow! PCGS restoration did a great job restoring your coin — it looks much better now! Congratulations!
Agreed.
I have a 1912 Gold Indian 1/2 eagle in MS63 that looks brown-ish. "Some day", I want to send that in for restoration. Not for grade, but to restore some gold luster (perhaps). Maybe with my next submission(s) later this year?
No not yet. I do plan to at some point still but I need to batch up a bunch of coins to send. It doesn't help that they are not accepting new members, although one person has volunteered to let me use their membership.
@TPRC said:
From my standpoint, it looks like it is a 61 or 62 and likely PL, and I would go with 62PL since the fields are pretty clean.
I also preferred the coin in its original, crusty state and I thought it was PL all along. I am also sad that it was cracked out but I'll bet it's worth a bit more now.
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From the pcgs restoration page:
Submitting a coin for PCGS Restoration in no way guarantees the upgrade of your coin. If the coin is already in a PCGS holder, it is guaranteed not to downgrade, nothing more. Through our restoration service, PCGS is committed to preserving and restoring coins to their original and natural condition.
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Rattlers are overrated, especially so for Morgans.
(Other scarce or rare slabs are another thing- just thinking the rattler isn't one of them.)
You did well. It now is a beauty, whereas it was drab and lifeless, rattling around in a slab that brought less value to the coin.
peacockcoins
Coin comes before plastic, rattler holders are not rare.
The coin is much improved.
Collector, occasional seller
Well... if you're satisfied with what transpired with the coin and the end result... good for you.
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I know I'm in the minority but I hate rattlers I get people love them so it could cost money to crack but if I know it's a coin staying in my collection I'd rather have in a new holder with TV and it's not even close.
Glad you're happy with the result. I had something similar where I crossed an NGC 65PL and they sent me it back in a PCGS 65 holder and it was a royal pain in the ass to get it correctly in the 65PL holder but they did eventually take care of it. Maybe the process is more streamlined now but you may need to be patient for a bit!
I’m not sure how I feel about the restoration. The haze is gone which is a plus, but I guess the haze helped cover us some of the chatter or at least made it more palatable. Now the chatter is accentuated. In addition to being weak for the grade, its PL designation is questionable. In short, I think your coin might actually be less valuable without the rattler. At least you could have marketed it as being graded during the conservative rattler days, now it looks like any other maxed out regrade.
fwiw
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" PCGS Restoration will not remove original toning simply to make a coin white."
i was really just looking for language about grade guarantee(s) if any.
https://www.pcgs.com/restoration/
i can see why it was worth losing the rattler. a 79-cc pl is no widget and not much point in having a tough pl, if you can't enjoy the pl.
I think you did well.
Jim
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I don't have the coin back in hand yet so I can't comment on the prooflike appearance just yet but there seems to be good contrast between the fields and devices. I was worried that the coin first came back without PL. When I talked to customer service about the lost PL, I specifically questioned whether the coin was re-graded and truly came back without the PL. He assured me that it was indeed a mechanical error. Not sure I believe it but I will know better when I see the coin in person.
The chatter and whatnot may be more obvious now but if it didn't have the chatter it would probably grade higher.
Also FWIW, when I bought the coin I don't feel like a paid a premium for the holder, so no loss there.
I will be sending it to CAC at some point when they start accepting new members again.
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I like the way it looked before. But at least they did not dip the hell out of it, like NGC did with the Vermule 1893-S.
Field to device contrasts don’t enter into the equation; the PL designation is based on the reflectivity of the fields. I’ll be the first to concede that lower grade MS PL coinage is very difficult to photograph as images that accurately capture the mirrors often exaggerate contact marks reflecting in the fields. I’m hoping that explains what appear to be weaker mirrors, and that I am wrong about it being marginal for the designation.
I can send it for you. Don't think it'll sticker (if it truly is still PL), but I'll send it.
"It's like God, Family, Country, except Sticker, Plastic, Coin."
The two-fer across the cheek, well..................
They are distracting but they are surface level at least.
Thanks! Please PM me your contact and coin store details.
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I don't have a store. Just a humble collector/vest dealer. Putting it out here so everybody knows I'm not misrepresenting myself.
If you're still interested, let me know and I will PM you my shipping information.
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Just shake the coin till it sets in the right position. It’s not difficult. Works with rattlers and some very old holders.
Nice to see the before and after restoration pictures. I like the results. Cheers, RickO
Wow! PCGS restoration did a great job restoring your coin — it looks much better now! Congratulations!
Yeah, that turned out really nice!
I have to admit the eye appeal is much better.
You trusted your gut and you took a big chance, and I love it!
Now get that green bean!
Nice of @DelawareDoons to make the offer, Cheers too you too
Congrats
Mike
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Agreed.
I have a 1912 Gold Indian 1/2 eagle in MS63 that looks brown-ish. "Some day", I want to send that in for restoration. Not for grade, but to restore some gold luster (perhaps). Maybe with my next submission(s) later this year?
Did you ever send the coin to CAC?
No not yet. I do plan to at some point still but I need to batch up a bunch of coins to send. It doesn't help that they are not accepting new members, although one person has volunteered to let me use their membership.
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It's not in the database, at this time.
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I also preferred the coin in its original, crusty state and I thought it was PL all along. I am also sad that it was cracked out but I'll bet it's worth a bit more now.
Tom