@ifthevamzarockin said:
In the future it would be best if you post photos of your coins for opinions before sending them in for grading.
Taking you (and everyone else) up on this offer. Still have 3 "free" coins to be graded. (Still waiting on PCGS to le me know why the steel pennies weren't eligible):
Coins are 1917, 1909 VDB, 1968-D, 1972-D, 1958, and 1944. I have maybe 100 other coins between 1955 and 1972 that I hope PCGS would considering "Red", which according to the coin report would raise the value significantly. They all have a nice luster like the 1968 penny.
I pretty much have every coin from 1909 until the late 1970s. I can post pictures and maybe someone can tell me if something should be sent to PCGS. I have dimes and nickels too.
@jonathanb said:
Before anyone else jumps in... What grades do YOU think are proper for those coins, and why?
Not entirely sure. I know "red" pennies are generally valued a little bit higher. But probably not MS65 or higher, maybe not even MS60. The 1909 VDB may not even be in the 50s. If I was a numismatist, I'd tell you
@jonathanb said:
Before anyone else jumps in... What grades do YOU think are proper for those coins, and why?
Not entirely sure. I know "red" pennies are generally valued a little bit higher. But probably not MS65 or higher, maybe not even MS60. The 1909 VDB may not even be in the 50s. If I was a numismatist, I'd tell you
Good. You're exactly on target. The Red designation is usually (always?) worth more than another coin with the same numeric grade. That means that you need to start with the numeric grade, and worry about the color designation later. (And coins below MS-60 don't get color designations, so there's nothing to think about for those).
Next question: What grades would you need to get, for it to be worth your time to have these slabbed? That's a personal question for you. I don't know your finances. Many people would feel that it's not worth their time to pay $50 (or whatever) to slab a coin that will be worth less than $50 when it is slabbed.
My take:
1917: Funky color. Possibly cleaned (or could just be the picture). If not cleaned, I'd sooner see it as AU than as Unc
1909: XF/AU
1968-D: Big fingerprint in front of face limits the grade
1972-D: Big spot near IN limits the grade
1958: Unnatural surfaces: environmental damage or cleaned, with no chance of a straight grade
1944: Unnatural surfaces: environmental damage or cleaned, with no chance of a straight grade
@ifthevamzarockin said:
In the future it would be best if you post photos of your coins for opinions before sending them in for grading.
Taking you (and everyone else) up on this offer. Still have 3 "free" coins to be graded. (Still waiting on PCGS to le me know why the steel pennies weren't eligible):
Coins are 1917, 1909 VDB, 1968-D, 1972-D, 1958, and 1944. I have maybe 100 other coins between 1955 and 1972 that I hope PCGS would considering "Red", which according to the coin report would raise the value significantly. They all have a nice luster like the 1968 penny.
I pretty much have every coin from 1909 until the late 1970s. I can post pictures and maybe someone can tell me if something should be sent to PCGS. I have dimes and nickels too.
Thanks everyone for the help!
There isn't a single coin in this group worthy of submitting to PCGS. If this is what you are considering, then you may as well not send in the last three.
@jbklyn88 said:
Thanks for the input everyone. Is there anything at all worth looking at?
Again: You're the only one who can make that call.
Your last four pieces are never going to have numismatic value. The 1968-D and 1972-D are worth 1c each. The 1944 and 1958 might be worth 2c-3c each just because they're wheaties, but you'd have a hard time finding anyone willing to pay you that much unless you got hundreds of others to sell together in bulk.
Do you understand what makes me say that? Are those comments surprising to you?
The 1909 is worth maybe a dollar or two. I'm not sure exactly. Check completed listings on eBay -- and also notice how many similar listings ended without any bids at all.
The 1917 is the only one that might be worth talking about. It looks like an AU would be worth in the $20 range raw, and could be in the $40 range if slabbed. That might justify the fees... if it gets a straight grade, which it might not. I'm still not happy with the color.
@jbklyn88
I read through part of this thread. To try and put some perspective on the current coins you showed I did a couple of searches. First is a 1968 d cent and from APMEX you can buy a roll of them in BU like yours for $8.
@jonathanb said:
The 1917 is the only one that might be worth talking about. It looks like an AU would be worth in the $20 range raw, and could be in the $40 range if slabbed. That might justify the fees... if it gets a straight grade, which it might not.
If you could get it graded (including shipping) for $20, which seems unlikely, you'd be no better off for going to the trouble than if you just sold it for $20 to begin with.
@lilolme said: @jbklyn88
I read through part of this thread. To try and put some perspective on the current coins you showed I did a couple of searches. First is a 1968 d cent and from APMEX you can buy a roll of them in BU like yours for $8.
Your last four pieces are never going to have numismatic value. The 1968-D and 1972-D are worth 1c each. The 1944 and 1958 might be worth 2c-3c each just because they're wheaties, but you'd have a hard time finding anyone willing to pay you that much unless you got hundreds of others to sell together in bulk.
This is why I'm confused. The pennies, from what I can tell are definitely not "brown" like the 1909 VSB. Even on the "low" side of grades (MS63) the 1968-D and 1972-D are both showing at minimum $5 under "red".
@jbklyn88 said:
This is why I'm confused. The pennies, from what I can tell are definitely not "brown" like the 1909 VSB. Even on the "low" side of grades (MS63) the 1968-D and 1972-D are both showing at minimum $5 under "red".
Go to eBay and look to see what coins that are similar to yours are selling for.
@jbklyn88 said:
This is why I'm confused. The pennies, from what I can tell are definitely not "brown" like the 1909 VSB. Even on the "low" side of grades (MS63) the 1968-D and 1972-D are both showing at minimum $5 under "red".
Where are you looking? The PCGS price guide only applies to PCGS-slabbed examples. If it costs $50 to get into a raw coin into a slab, and the slabbed coin is only worth $5 afterwards, most people would not be happy with that result.
...and even if the slab is "worth" $5 afterwards, you still have to find someone willing to pay it!
@jbklyn88 said:
Thanks for the input everyone. Is there anything at all worth looking at?
Your last four pieces are never going to have numismatic value. The 1968-D and 1972-D are worth 1c each. The 1944 and 1958 might be worth 2c-3c each just because they're wheaties, but you'd have a hard time finding anyone willing to pay you that much unless you got hundreds of others to sell together in bulk.
Do you understand what makes me say that? Are those comments surprising to you?
The 1909 is worth maybe a dollar or two. I'm not sure exactly. Check completed listings on eBay -- and also notice how many similar listings ended without any bids at all.
The 1917 is the only one that might be worth talking about. It looks like an AU would be worth in the $20 range raw, and could be in the $40 range if slabbed. That might justify the fees... if it gets a straight grade, which it might not. I'm still not happy with the color.
@jbklyn88 said:
This is why I'm confused. The pennies, from what I can tell are definitely not "brown" like the 1909 VSB. Even on the "low" side of grades (MS63) the 1968-D and 1972-D are both showing at minimum $5 under "red".
Where are you looking? The PCGS price guide only applies to PCGS-slabbed examples. If it costs $50 to get into a raw coin into a slab, and the slabbed coin is only worth $5 afterwards, most people would not be happy with that result.
...and even if the slab is "worth" $5 afterwards, you still have to find someone willing to pay it!
Right. So getting a 1968-D 1c into an MS-63 RD slab is an excellent way to turn $50 into $6. Again, it's your call whether that's worthwhile to you. Many people have other ways of turning $50 into $6 with less effort.
Questions to ask is what will it grade numerically (number) and color (Red, Red-Brown, Brown). Go to this page and select Designation and then the Red and then the video as it will start at the Red and then go into Red-Brown and Brown.
So if you think it will grade 64 Red and it does, then after slabbing it would have a price guide value of $10, $5 and $7.48 depending on which guide is used.
But if it misses the color grade of Red and is Red-Brown (RB), then the price guide goes down. And same for grade.
Also not sure what your goal is (to sell, to collect or other) but if selling, then as noted above would need to find a buyer at the price guide level. For this do as others have mentioned and search what they have sold for or are selling for (not listed for on eBay but sold).
Most 1950s wheat back coins worth grading are those that grade MS 67 RD designation, which is very hard to get. Am not sure if you'd break even re the 1950-1954 Lincolns if they came back MS 66 RD. I did a bulk submission of a roll of 56 D Lincolns, all RD Uncs about 8 years ago.
Was hoping to get one MS 67 out of the bunch. Minimum acceptable grade was MS 66 RD. 31 graded MS 66 RD, the rest were MS 65 RD. Got $15 each for the MS 66 RD, $1,50 for the MS 65 RD, less bulk grading fees, so I did all right.
I found a 1953 S in change that would grade MS 65 RD, and it wasn't worth sending in for grading.
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@ifthevamzarockin nah, I'm good
Taking you (and everyone else) up on this offer. Still have 3 "free" coins to be graded. (Still waiting on PCGS to le me know why the steel pennies weren't eligible):
Coins are 1917, 1909 VDB, 1968-D, 1972-D, 1958, and 1944. I have maybe 100 other coins between 1955 and 1972 that I hope PCGS would considering "Red", which according to the coin report would raise the value significantly. They all have a nice luster like the 1968 penny.
I pretty much have every coin from 1909 until the late 1970s. I can post pictures and maybe someone can tell me if something should be sent to PCGS. I have dimes and nickels too.
Thanks everyone for the help!
Before anyone else jumps in... What grades do YOU think are proper for those coins, and why?
Not entirely sure. I know "red" pennies are generally valued a little bit higher. But probably not MS65 or higher, maybe not even MS60. The 1909 VDB may not even be in the 50s. If I was a numismatist, I'd tell you
Good. You're exactly on target. The Red designation is usually (always?) worth more than another coin with the same numeric grade. That means that you need to start with the numeric grade, and worry about the color designation later. (And coins below MS-60 don't get color designations, so there's nothing to think about for those).
Next question: What grades would you need to get, for it to be worth your time to have these slabbed? That's a personal question for you. I don't know your finances. Many people would feel that it's not worth their time to pay $50 (or whatever) to slab a coin that will be worth less than $50 when it is slabbed.
My take:
I don't see anything in this group worth grading.
There isn't a single coin in this group worthy of submitting to PCGS. If this is what you are considering, then you may as well not send in the last three.
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Thanks for the input everyone. Is there anything at all worth looking at?
Again: You're the only one who can make that call.
Your last four pieces are never going to have numismatic value. The 1968-D and 1972-D are worth 1c each. The 1944 and 1958 might be worth 2c-3c each just because they're wheaties, but you'd have a hard time finding anyone willing to pay you that much unless you got hundreds of others to sell together in bulk.
Do you understand what makes me say that? Are those comments surprising to you?
The 1909 is worth maybe a dollar or two. I'm not sure exactly. Check completed listings on eBay -- and also notice how many similar listings ended without any bids at all.
The 1917 is the only one that might be worth talking about. It looks like an AU would be worth in the $20 range raw, and could be in the $40 range if slabbed. That might justify the fees... if it gets a straight grade, which it might not. I'm still not happy with the color.
@jbklyn88
I read through part of this thread. To try and put some perspective on the current coins you showed I did a couple of searches. First is a 1968 d cent and from APMEX you can buy a roll of them in BU like yours for $8.
https://www.apmex.com/product/9319/1968-d-lincoln-cent-50-coin-roll-bu?msclkid=893364de2304191508e5066aa56d730c&utm_source=bing&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=CPA - Bing Shopping PLA&utm_term=4580840332034693&utm_content=All Products Bing Shopping CPA
And for the 1909 vdb a roll (50 coins) in XF again from APMEX for $579.
https://www.apmex.com/product/97613/1909-vdb-lincoln-cent-xf-roll?msclkid=aa86633f2c8b116c1cde018ba42f3417&utm_source=bing&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=CPA - Bing Shopping PLA&utm_term=4580840332034693&utm_content=All Products Bing Shopping CPA
This is the type of things you should look up to assist in making decisions on submittal.
If unfamiliar with grading then could start with the pcgs photo grade or other similar ones. Then there are multiple online pricing references.
https://www.pcgs.com/photograde
https://youtube.com/watch?v=wwmUMvhy-lY - Pink Me And Bobby McGee
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RLJ 1958 - 2023
If you could get it graded (including shipping) for $20, which seems unlikely, you'd be no better off for going to the trouble than if you just sold it for $20 to begin with.
Thanks. I have been using photograde to try and compare. Never heard of apmex. I'll look there too.
This is why I'm confused. The pennies, from what I can tell are definitely not "brown" like the 1909 VSB. Even on the "low" side of grades (MS63) the 1968-D and 1972-D are both showing at minimum $5 under "red".
Go to eBay and look to see what coins that are similar to yours are selling for.
Where are you looking? The PCGS price guide only applies to PCGS-slabbed examples. If it costs $50 to get into a raw coin into a slab, and the slabbed coin is only worth $5 afterwards, most people would not be happy with that result.
...and even if the slab is "worth" $5 afterwards, you still have to find someone willing to pay it!
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Looking right on the Price Guide:
https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/1968-d-1c-rd/2908
Right. So getting a 1968-D 1c into an MS-63 RD slab is an excellent way to turn $50 into $6. Again, it's your call whether that's worthwhile to you. Many people have other ways of turning $50 into $6 with less effort.
@jbklyn88
It sounds like you are interpreting the price guides correctly for numerical grade and Red. A couple of other guides.
http://www.numismedia.com/rarecoinprices/cgi/usrarecoinvalues.cgi?script=lnccntmo&searchtype=any&searchtext=fmv&search7=any
https://www.coinworld.com/coinvalues/cent/lincoln-cent.html
Questions to ask is what will it grade numerically (number) and color (Red, Red-Brown, Brown). Go to this page and select Designation and then the Red and then the video as it will start at the Red and then go into Red-Brown and Brown.
https://www.pcgs.com/grades
So if you think it will grade 64 Red and it does, then after slabbing it would have a price guide value of $10, $5 and $7.48 depending on which guide is used.
But if it misses the color grade of Red and is Red-Brown (RB), then the price guide goes down. And same for grade.
Also not sure what your goal is (to sell, to collect or other) but if selling, then as noted above would need to find a buyer at the price guide level. For this do as others have mentioned and search what they have sold for or are selling for (not listed for on eBay but sold).
https://youtube.com/watch?v=wwmUMvhy-lY - Pink Me And Bobby McGee
.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=D0FPxuQv2ns - Ruby Starr (from 'Go Jim Dandy') Maybe I'm Amazed
RLJ 1958 - 2023
This one sold on eBay for $1.19.
Assuming a free listing in an eBay store, the final value fee was 40 cents and the cost to ship was 53 cents.
Just sayin'.
Most 1950s wheat back coins worth grading are those that grade MS 67 RD designation, which is very hard to get. Am not sure if you'd break even re the 1950-1954 Lincolns if they came back MS 66 RD. I did a bulk submission of a roll of 56 D Lincolns, all RD Uncs about 8 years ago.
Was hoping to get one MS 67 out of the bunch. Minimum acceptable grade was MS 66 RD. 31 graded MS 66 RD, the rest were MS 65 RD. Got $15 each for the MS 66 RD, $1,50 for the MS 65 RD, less bulk grading fees, so I did all right.
I found a 1953 S in change that would grade MS 65 RD, and it wasn't worth sending in for grading.
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