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burfle23burfle23 Posts: 2,052 ✭✭✭✭✭

Should you find one of these examples I nicknamed the "visor heads" report it! There are many still unaccounted for...

My "Dark Corner" Coin Week article can be found at: https://coinweek.com/counterfeits/from-the-dark-corner-an-authenticated-counterfeit-1927-s-standing-liberty-quarter/

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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thanks for the link and the excellent pictures showing the identifying details. Cheers, RickO

  • calgolddivercalgolddiver Posts: 1,307 ✭✭✭✭✭

    agreed ... thanks for the info and documentation

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  • WAYNEASWAYNEAS Posts: 6,120 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thanks for the article link.
    A little wiser now.
    Wayne

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  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 33,033 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I had found this one earlier for my "virtual black cabinet" of counterfeit coins.

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  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 27,010 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It helps, many rhanks

  • BuffaloIronTailBuffaloIronTail Posts: 7,338 ✭✭✭✭✭

    An excellent article with detailed explanation on the process and what to look for.

    This is a good example of what makes this the best board on the Internet!

    Pete

    P.S. I just love getting down and dirty with coins.

    Pete

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  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BuffaloIronTail said:
    An excellent article with detailed explanation on the process and what to look for.

    This is a good example of what makes this the best board on the Internet!

    Pete

    P.S. I just love getting down and dirty with coins.

    Pete

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    ahh. you just tipped your hand my friend. i knew you looked familiar. :#:p

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  • BuffaloIronTailBuffaloIronTail Posts: 7,338 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @LanceNewmanOCC said:

    @BuffaloIronTail said:
    An excellent article with detailed explanation on the process and what to look for.

    This is a good example of what makes this the best board on the Internet!

    Pete

    P.S. I just love getting down and dirty with coins.

    Pete

    .
    ahh. you just tipped your hand my friend. i knew you looked familiar. :#:p

    Ain"t seen that many coins since I traded all mine in. ;)

    Pete

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  • TPRCTPRC Posts: 3,734 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Good info. Thank you much!

    Tom

  • StrikeOutXXXStrikeOutXXX Posts: 3,350 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thank you so much.

    I live in in IT world. When there are security bugs found in software, there is a pause/grace period before things get published to the public so the vendors can make changes, fix holes, prepare patches, etc.

    I'm curious when you find these - there is obviously communication with some folks at NGC, PCGS, assume ANACS, one article mentions a CAC'd counterfeit, another shows you got some photo assistance from NGC, etc.

    Before these are made public here, or your articles appear in Coin Week, was there considerable investigation going on from the big players? Submissions referenced, attempts to retrieve the certified examples, auction buyers checked, etc?

    This one is a little easier to pick out with the visor, but many are not that easy and I'd be curious if you can just talk a bit about what is going on behind the scenes when these are discovered, maybe ease some of our minds that those in the hobby are also on the case so to speak.

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  • burfle23burfle23 Posts: 2,052 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @StrikeOutXXX said:
    Thank you so much.

    I live in in IT world. When there are security bugs found in software, there is a pause/grace period before things get published to the public so the vendors can make changes, fix holes, prepare patches, etc.

    I'm curious when you find these - there is obviously communication with some folks at NGC, PCGS, assume ANACS, one article mentions a CAC'd counterfeit, another shows you got some photo assistance from NGC, etc.

    Before these are made public here, or your articles appear in Coin Week, was there considerable investigation going on from the big players? Submissions referenced, attempts to retrieve the certified examples, auction buyers checked, etc?

    This one is a little easier to pick out with the visor, but many are not that easy and I'd be curious if you can just talk a bit about what is going on behind the scenes when these are discovered, maybe ease some of our minds that those in the hobby are also on the case so to speak.

    Great questions...

    From the beginning (if you read my article on the 1798 "S-158" in Coin Week you can get a sense of the timing) there has been a group I work with in the research and documentation of these; I am a member of a counterfeit focused FB Group with many of the best "counterfeit minds" available included, and we continue to look for both additional existing documented examples and new discoveries.

    Two of the top TPGs were instrumental from the start as well, sharing images and pulling info together as we started proving and documenting each example. And sharing included the other 2 TPGs, as these touched all 4. And yes, a couple of the major auction houses were and still are involved in the research.

    And I had the opportunity a couple of years ago to present some of these specific counterfeits to Secret Service in a meeting in DC; also participated that same day in a meeting with Staffers of the Senate Finance Committee discussing the threat of counterfeit holders and intellectual property.

    The articles are my attempt to get the word out to as many in the Hobby as I can, not just hold it among specialized clubs or Groups. To that end I have articles on the subject published in Coin Week, the Numismatist, EAC's Penny-Wise, the LSCC's Gobrecht Journal, C4's Colonial Newsletter and an article written in COINage on my research process by another.

    That can be a two edged sword so to speak as well, as the counterfeiters certainly visit the forums or read the articles...

    Behind the scenes there are details that help characterize the counterfeits (physical aspects, metallurgical, etc.) that I don't mention in the articles just for that reason. And I have documented 2 examples where the counterfeit dies were modified, producing 2 different die states but still identifiable as the same fake, probably to try and throw us off!

    Groups like this one and specialized clubs as I mentioned are instrumental in learning with all of the experience with the many Members, but my answer as to the best defense against these is personal knowledge- we should all take ownership of knowing the coins or series we intend to collect!

    And the TPG's guarantee of authenticity is great insurance should things go sideways...

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