EBay to Authenticate all Raw Cards over $750
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This is huge news.
Lots of questions:
1) How long will this take?
2) Are they looking for alterations or just authenticity?
This is really good news for the collector. I might start looking at raw cards on EBay if they will turn back a card for being altered.
Also interesting to note from the article, the top 5 categories that grew in 2021 had nothing to do with basketball or baseball. Times are changing.
Top Trading Cards GMV Growth by Categories (H1 2021):
Tennis - 1797%
Soccer - 852%
Pokemon - 536%
Marvel - 437%
Golf - 436%
buying O-Pee-Chee (OPC) baseball
I hope you're joking... lol
Just what everyone wants, spend over $750 for a card and have to wait weeks/months for the card for some ebay employee to handle it then manage to not lose it, keep it, or ship it to someone else. PSA has an insane backlog, could you imagine the backlog at ebay?? Please no... leave the authenticators to the actual authenticators. Also, ebay definitely won't be doing this for free. MORE fees for the seller??
Personally, if I'm dropping over $750 on a card, it ain't raw anyway.
Yikes.
Or damage it. I have a card probably worth 7500 but looked at the selling fees for that price is roughly $937 and that's not to mention how much the card costs and the grading fees. Sounds like socialism to me.
When the time comes I'll list it somewhere else and wait.
It will not be an EBay employee - it will be sent straight to Certified Collectibles Group. Bet for an add on you will be able to have them grade it as the buyer.
Although I understand why this would be done, don't be fooled - this is strictly a business deal between eBay and the third-party company who is paying eBay already who are authenticating expensive sneakers and handbags.
No this one is with CSG. I would think this will be huge for them to grow in trading cards.
So a brand that most of us wouldn't buy a $5 card slabbed from them, let alone a $750+ card.
Here is more info:
https://pages.ebay.com/authenticity-guarantee-tradingcards/
Nic
Guides Authored - Graded Card Scanning Guide PDF | History of the PSA Label PDF
Just went to sold listings and sorted SGC by highest sale. There are a lot of cards sold on EBay in their holders for more than $750.
I have not bought any CSG cards yet - as I have found them to be too soft on vintage. However, they are quickly gaining a reputation in ultra-modern. I think if there is an add-on to have the card CSG graded without having it shipped anywhere they will quickly vault to #2 behind PSA.
Equating them to BCCG doesn't exactly help your point, but I get it. I still don't like the idea.
Good point on BCCG.
All "authenticator contractor" legitimacy talk aside, think about the logistics of all this. How many cards would fall into this category of having to be shipped to the "authenticator"? As they admit, they sell about one card per second (I bet it's more), and how many for over $750? What about auctions that are sold in lots or sets over $750? Would those cards be intercepted? These people with buttered popcorn fingers are going to be opening up our packages, fumbling the cards, somehow properly repackaging the cards and re-shipping them? Also, I'm reading that if the buyer chooses to return the card, it goes BACK THROUGH the authentication process to make sure the card looks the same as it did on it's way out? So are they keeping a scanned database to record any blemish the cards have?
So many questions...
the $750 on raw cards does nto bother me, the fact that they plan to expand to all cards including already GRADED cards over $250 by mid-year seems insane. So I sell a PSA card for $500, I need to send it to CSG who is going to authenticate my PSA card then send it out to the buyer......... ZERO value add and lots of chances for my stuff to get messed up and delays and what not.
think of the logistics for 4sharp or probstein sending all this stuff to CSG
this seems crazy
Agree the graded seems like overkill. However, fake slabs are getting better and better and maybe they are trying to get ahead of this. I imagine they will just authenticate the slab is real.
I like this as a Buyer and as a Seller. As long as CSG can meet the turnaround times they claim, I think this is a Win-Win for both sides of a transaction.
As a SELLER, I don't have to worry about buyer shenanigans like they got crap in the box, or whatever. CSG will confirm what I sold is what I shipped. If it is lost from there, it's not my problem and eBay should cover the lost card that CSG sent to the buyer
As a BUYER, I get CSG to authenticate the card. I am hoping that includes spotting fake cards in PSA Holders before sending it to me. This also starts to get rid of sellers peddling reprints as "original"
Quote from the Ts & Cs page:
"eBay covers all the costs associated with the authentication process for a limited time."
For a limited time... meaning they will eventually charge the seller for this service, whether you want the service or not.
How soon until you see people relisting their "sealed and QR-coded" cards? And will they have to go through the whole authentication process again? If not, how tamper-evident is the seal? So many questions... lol
MySlabs and card shows keep looking better and better. Having them "authenticate" graded cards >$250 is insane.
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Greg Maddux #1 Master SetGreg Maddux #2 Basic Set
I would immediately take my card out if that holder. Do not want the QR code obscuring part of my card.
I absolutely guarantee people will relist the cards still sealed with the QR code. Like a lot of them.
this probably pushes guys like 4sharp, probstein and greg morris to follow pwcc into running things on their own platform. seems like way to much overhead and eventual expense eventually to stay on eBay for them
I do not sell cards on EBay (or really anywhere). Would not matter to me as a buyer if the QR code was there or not as long as it isn’t covering a flaw. Would think these would have to go through and be verified again. Might help people be more comfortable at shows to buy cards that have been previously verified.
eBay already had buyer protection as a buyer so how is this helping me?
HOF SIGNED FOOTBALL RCS
On the plus side, all those who pay $750+ for some so-called error card that's missing a period will at least know that their card is authentic.
I see this story on a couple sites. I don't see anything from eBay saying this though. If this is true, eBay clearly has no understanding of the situation.
It eliminates a ton of fraud.
Will ebay keep track of results? If a seller sends 20 cards that fail authenticity, do they ban the seller?
Not sure specifically what you are referring to, but the eBay page is here:
Here is more info:
https://pages.ebay.com/authenticity-guarantee-tradingcards/
Nic
Guides Authored - Graded Card Scanning Guide PDF | History of the PSA Label PDF
And as soon as this gets rolling, eBay will require ALL cards valued at $750 or more to be authenticated by them. This is just a money grab on their part.
they say by mid year ALL cards , even graded, over $250 will be required o)
That's going to be a ridicouly large undertaking by them. No way would I trust them with any card worth more than a few bucks.
Just when you think eBay can't get any greedier, they come up with another way to charge another fee for using their site.
This will blow up in feebay's face. Overkill to the max, I agree somewhat with loose raw cards but already graded?? You are going to send a perfectly good PSA graded card to CSG to authenticate a perfectly good PSA graded card??? Probstein etc is probably going nuts...Probstein etc. will move off of feebay.... Who the hell is CSG anyway?? Aren't they just coming onto the scene??? Give me a break....
chaz
Where does it elaborate to include ALL cards by mid-year?
Thanks,
David (LD_Ferg)
1985 Topps Football (starting in psa 8) - #9 - started 05/21/06
When you click on the ebay link:
https://forums.collectors.com/home/leaving?allowTrusted=1&target=https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/ebay-launches-authentication-for-trading-cards-301467143.html
just search in there, it's not hard to find... also I think this service only applies to sellers who don't offer returns which does make sense .... as long as they don't say you have to use this service even if you as a seller have a return policy..... then that is ridiculous.....
chaz
how do they not use psa or Beckett for this… look for all the fake 86 Fleer jordans to be $749 and under now lol
Looks like non-graded starts immediately. And this will be a 1-2 day turnaround? Wow. How long before the backlog starts at CSG? This makes zero sense for cards already graded.
Thanks,
David (LD_Ferg)
1985 Topps Football (starting in psa 8) - #9 - started 05/21/06
As I understand it, only if you don't have a return policy.
chaz
I read it to mean if you accept returns you now get protection as CSG verifies on the way out and on the way back.
So then, they will be doing it all around....this is going to cost them a lot of business down the road...there will be massive delays. People scream now when they don't get their stuff quick and add another layer of "authentication" which is ridiculous. What do you need them for (CSG) when I can contact PSA direct for authentication of my graded cards. When big sellers pull out from all this BS, then maybe they will wake up but I doubt it.....
chaz
Imagine selling a 10k psa graded card and having to have csg verify first. it will take a extra week or so and you know eBay will be putting the funds in a hold. What a disaster.
This makes zero sense for cards already graded. It makes a lot of sense for cards that are in purported PSA holders. I can't necessarily tell from an online picture if the PSA holder is genuine. It is a (sad) fact of life that there are a lot of people trying to get altered or counterfeit cards into holders that look like PSA holders. Some are very bad and obvious, but some are good enough to fool some people.
Not saying that I think that it is a good idea or necessary, but there is a certain amount of sense behind it.
Yeah and while they hold your funds, they are making interest...... I think also this is why they are testing it first at $750 and then move down to $250.... I totally agree with you. This will really drive sellers away and piss off buyers big time. Buyers today want their stuff quick....less than 3 days after they pay you.
chaz
Then you haven't been in the game that long if you can't tell. It's rare to get a bogus holder. This is just another money grab by them...it's BS.
chaz
The other thing this protects against is the “I bought a 79 Gretzky rookie but he sent me an 85 Lemieux rookie” and having the buyer pull a fast one, returning his own Lemieux for a refund while keeping the Gretzky that the buyer legit sent. Right now, eBay has no visibility into this and has to make an ill-informed judgment call. I’m no fan of this change, but I don’t blame them for jumping in the middle and confirming it. I believe they already open packages that go international via Global Shipping to validate for Customs’ purposes. Maybe they’ll have CSG authenticators on site like HA does with PSA reps so there won’t be added delays back and forth with them for authentication?
Jim
Well, that makes sense. But I believe the buyer should pay for the extra authentication if they want it. If the seller wants it to make sure they don't get scammed, then the seller should pay for it too (like extra insurance). But don't demand that every fricking card that goes over $250 has to have the service... then it's just a money grab by feebay..... which I believe they eventually will do.
chaz
I think this example probably happens about once every 500,000 cards sold... NOT enough to warrant a ridiculous rule like this.
I’m not defending eBay here - I don’t like it either, and I like Chaz’s “you want it, then opt in” idea - but how many of every 500K cards are under the $750 threshold? I have no stats, but I have to think well over 95% of cards are under that number. Could be way off, though. Still a lot of cards to examine, but maybe they’ve learned some things with their other authentication forays… Catching 1 in 25K (or fewer, depending on the actual percentage over $750) may be worth it to them. Obviously, the eventual fees make it all worth it to eBay regardless.
Might be interesting to hear from sneakerheads, watchdudes (?), and other areas where eBay has been authenticating for awhile. Has it helped, how much does it slow things down, etc.? Apples to oranges, I know, but this isn’t eBay’s first foray into authenticating.
Jim
Sounds like you could circumvent this insane policy by breaking one of the eligibility rules, just add a common card to the auction to make it a "lot" of two. Or move to Canada, Puerto Rico or US Virgin Islands:
a. Item Eligibility.
Only select listings on eBay.com are eligible for the Services. eBay reserves the right at any time, in its sole discretion, with or without notice to you, to alter or amend the eligibility requirements for Eligible Items, including, but not limited to category, and/or value of items and/or transactions.
“Eligible Items” in the Trading Cards category must satisfy the following conditions:
Category: Collectible Card Games, Sports Trading Cards, and Non-Sports Trading Cards
Card Type: Single cards only
Grading Type: Ungraded cards
Price: Cards listed or sold at auction for $750 or more, exclusive of tax and shipping
The following items are not eligible for Authenticity Guarantee:
Items whose listings do not bear the Authenticity Guarantee blue checkmark badge
Items listed in categories not named above
Graded cards
Sets, lots, kits, decks, boxes, and packs of two or more cards
Miscategorized items, e.g., other types of cards listed in eligible categories
Patch, jersey, costume, or wardrobe cards
Autographed cards
Items purchased using an offline payment method
Listings that offer local pickup
1980’s Star Company Basketball Cards
Items shipped to P.O. Boxes
Items shipped to or from unincorporated territories (incl. Puerto Rico and the US Virgin Islands)
Ineligible items will not be authenticated.
b. Country Eligibility.
The Authenticity Guarantee service is only available for buyers and sellers in the United States, not including buyers or sellers in unincorporated territories (inc. Puerto Rico and the US Virgin Islands). eBay reserves the right to expand or limit the countries eligible for Authenticity Guarantee or the Services at any time, in its sole discretion, with or without notice. If your item sells abroad, you will be bound by the User Agreement and policies, including any buyer protection policies, of the site on which the item is sold and, potentially, the consumer and other laws of the country of the relevant site. You will also be responsible for eBay’s standard international fees that apply to these sales. If you do not want your item to be sold to buyers internationally, you can exclude countries or regions you don’t want to post to by updating your shipping settings.
Ebay has done a lot of stupid things over they years. I think this is the worst.