TrueView AND SlabView - This is what I'm talking about!

Zoins

The two basic ways to photograph a coin are close ups of the coin and inside the slab.

Many auction venues support both which is great because it let's you see all the info on the insert.

PCGS even does both, but it's rare to see both for the same coin.

And of course we know, that many people here over the years have asked PCGS to provide SlabView photos for their coins.

So, today, I'm very happy to report I've run across my first PCGS slabbed coin with both TrueView and SlabView photos!

Hopefully this is a sign of what's coming to more coins in the future

Thanks Phil @PCGSPhoto !

burfle23

A huge step forward trying to sift through bad coins/ holders using good cert #'s!

ricko

Well that is interesting.... I know there are strange 'coins' out there, but this is the first surfboard coin I have seen. Cheers, RickO

coinbuf

My guess is that his photo was taken by an oversees office and has no correlation to what the US operations do or plan to do.

WAYNEAS

I like it.
I hope this becomes the way of the future.
Wayne

Herb_T

Too bad, I like both ways!

mr1931S

The Queen hangin' 10.

ndeagles

Always wondered why they didn't already do this. I hope they consider this going forward.

derryb

if that coin is 2 oz. AG then that is one thick coin or an oversized holder.

Type2

Love it.👍🏼

anablep

Love the coin & the option of having both pictures displayed like this.

Coinscratch

So when submitting coins to CAC you will need to submit your True Views as well.

sedulous

I struggle with the idea of more pictures. PCGS processing of submissions is already badly backed-up at the photo booth. It is difficult for our hosts to adhere to turn-around times now due to photo booth back-up in their process. Now you are interested in doubling the photos? I already know they take multiple obverse and reverse photos that don't make it to what you see in a TV.

I can only agree if PCGS decides to quadruple their camera set-up and imaging adjustment equipment and team members.

Zoins

@sedulous said:
I struggle with the idea of more pictures. PCGS processing of submissions is already badly backed-up at the photo booth. It is difficult for our hosts to adhere to turn-around times now due to photo booth back-up in their process. Now you are interested in doubling the photos? I already know they take multiple obverse and reverse photos that don't make it to what you see in a TV.

I can only agree if PCGS decides to quadruple their camera set-up and imaging adjustment equipment and team members.

The slab photos are much, much easier to take than the TrueViews.

sedulous

@Zoins said:

@sedulous said:
I struggle with the idea of more pictures. PCGS processing of submissions is already badly backed-up at the photo booth. It is difficult for our hosts to adhere to turn-around times now due to photo booth back-up in their process. Now you are interested in doubling the photos? I already know they take multiple obverse and reverse photos that don't make it to what you see in a TV.

I can only agree if PCGS decides to quadruple their camera set-up and imaging adjustment equipment and team members.

The slab photos are much, much easier to take than the TrueViews.

The overseas slabview images, however, lack appropriate coin detail to have full coin viewing enjoyment. I hate that.

Zoins

@sedulous said:

@Zoins said:

@sedulous said:
I struggle with the idea of more pictures. PCGS processing of submissions is already badly backed-up at the photo booth. It is difficult for our hosts to adhere to turn-around times now due to photo booth back-up in their process. Now you are interested in doubling the photos? I already know they take multiple obverse and reverse photos that don't make it to what you see in a TV.

I can only agree if PCGS decides to quadruple their camera set-up and imaging adjustment equipment and team members.

The slab photos are much, much easier to take than the TrueViews.

The overseas slabview images, however, lack appropriate coin detail to have full coin viewing enjoyment. I hate that.

That’s why we need both!

Ideally, SlabViews could be done at high resolution but quickly. Once of the challenges with TrueViews is with rotating the coin images which is a lot easier with standardized slabs.

sedulous

@Zoins said:

@sedulous said:

@Zoins said:

@sedulous said:
I struggle with the idea of more pictures. PCGS processing of submissions is already badly backed-up at the photo booth. It is difficult for our hosts to adhere to turn-around times now due to photo booth back-up in their process. Now you are interested in doubling the photos? I already know they take multiple obverse and reverse photos that don't make it to what you see in a TV.

I can only agree if PCGS decides to quadruple their camera set-up and imaging adjustment equipment and team members.

The slab photos are much, much easier to take than the TrueViews.

The overseas slabview images, however, lack appropriate coin detail to have full coin viewing enjoyment. I hate that.

That’s why we need both!

I only agree to that if PCGS increases their submissions process throughput. I have regular submissions right now, way beyond turn-around times, that are sitting. After making inquiries, I find they are "waiting on imaging". Are you staying you don't care if you exasperate that problem? @Zoins ? I apologize if that comes off harsh. It is frustrating for me.

sedulous

@Zoins

Ideally, SlabViews could be done at high resolution but quickly.

There you go... I agree to that. Improved efficiency... and you don't lose high details off of the coin.

Zoins

@sedulous said:

@Zoins said:

@sedulous said:

@Zoins said:

@sedulous said:
I struggle with the idea of more pictures. PCGS processing of submissions is already badly backed-up at the photo booth. It is difficult for our hosts to adhere to turn-around times now due to photo booth back-up in their process. Now you are interested in doubling the photos? I already know they take multiple obverse and reverse photos that don't make it to what you see in a TV.

I can only agree if PCGS decides to quadruple their camera set-up and imaging adjustment equipment and team members.

The slab photos are much, much easier to take than the TrueViews.

The overseas slabview images, however, lack appropriate coin detail to have full coin viewing enjoyment. I hate that.

That’s why we need both!

I only agree to that if PCGS increases their submissions process throughput. I have regular submissions right now, way beyond turn-around times, that are sitting. After making inquiries, I find they are "waiting on imaging". Are you staying you don't care if you exasperate that problem? @Zoins ? I apologize if that comes off harsh. It is frustrating for me.

They should do it without increasing turnaround times. SlabView has been acknowledged as important by many people, so I think they should consider adding it without disrupting their existing service.

sedulous

Time for an example
1899-S Barber Quarter in XF45
PCGS #80744253

I am told overseas TV's are the slabview variety. Use the PCGS Certification app (or website equivalent) to view this one with the 'overseas' variant of TrueView via the PCGS number provided above. Copy of the TV image:

Now try to zoom in to see the images. Notice the lack of clarity and the feeling of absolute disappointing enjoyment that results from looking at the coin through the TV.

Now I have a D7500 Nikon IRIX 150 length Macro lens set-up and took these images. I was happy once I received this coin in hand as it was actually a pleasurable coin to me. Earlier, I wasn't sure the slabbed coin in hand would be a decent looker:

If I can get the enjoyment from the TrueView via coin surface detail out of a slab view, I am OK with that. If we can get it all-in-one, efficiency in the TV imaging process for submissions would take less camera booth time. A plus!

Zoins

@sedulous said:
Time for an example
1899-S Barber Quarter in XF45
PCGS #80744253

I am told overseas TV's are the slabview variety. Use the PCGS Certification app (or website equivalent) to view this one with the 'overseas' variant of TrueView via the PCGS number provided above. Copy of the TV image:

What's interesting here is that this image has a different background than the one in the OP. The one in the OP uses a standard TrueView background while this is a non-TrueView background.

I wonder if the overseas SlabViews are using the TV background now, of if this one is something new?

If I can get the enjoyment from the TrueView via coin surface detail out of a slab view, I am OK with that. If we can get it all-in-one, efficiency in the TV imaging process for submissions would take less camera booth time. A plus!

I still think two sets of photos need to be done, with and without the slab, but what I'm thinking is that the slab photos can be highly automated.