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1910 proof cent

epay # 294663141440.......................................
Is this legit ? Thanks.........................................

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  • jesbrokenjesbroken Posts: 10,007 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Here's the ebay auction coin.
    Jim



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  • MonsterCoinzMonsterCoinz Posts: 1,518 ✭✭✭✭✭

    While everything @keets said is true, it is in fact a matte proof, albeit a cleaned one.

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  • davewesendavewesen Posts: 6,199 ✭✭✭✭✭

    pumpkin orange suggests chemical cleaning

  • CatbertCatbert Posts: 7,194 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The search function on this forum for Great Southern can tell you what others have experienced with this vendor:

    https://forums.collectors.com/search?Search=great+southern

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  • braddickbraddick Posts: 24,074 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 28, 2021 2:10PM

    I've never been good at these.
    Lincolns and Buffalos. Proof? Well-struck business strike?
    Lord have mercy.

    Here's the auction featuring the OP's coin:
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/294663141440?hash=item449b4ab840:g:cMUAAOSwiMVhxNji

    peacockcoins

  • MonsterCoinzMonsterCoinz Posts: 1,518 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ColonelJessup said:

    @mach1ne said:
    While everything @keets said is true, it is in fact a matte proof, albeit a cleaned one.

    Please perform due diligence before taking foot out of mouth. The beveled outside rims and lack of squareness inside them, most obvious at 4:00-5:00 on the obverse or the reverse from 5:30-6:30. BOING! (the image manipulator forgot to extend the shadow there to mask this).

    Then go to the Heritage Archives and look at a full page of 1910 proofs and compare the rims. And if I'm wrong, post here and shut me up. But that seller is a known fraudster and image-manipulator. No experienced Forum member would trust anything the guy sold. :s

    I did perform due diligence: there are 3 die markers I can find from the shoddy pictures, there are very strong rims (which don't have to be perfect to be an MPL) and my personal experience of having owned a couple dozen MPL's lead me to believe this is a proof.

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  • ColonelJessupColonelJessup Posts: 6,442 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 28, 2021 1:40PM

    Post a picture of a confirmed proof and point out the die markers.
    Blow up the OP's picture and point out the corresponding die markers.
    Present your case :)

    There's someone here who knows better than I, but you first.

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  • jesbrokenjesbroken Posts: 10,007 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 28, 2021 1:49PM

    I did not see the required die mark in the central base of the M in UNUM. Then, that may only be certain die states. Is there a book available just for the matte proofs?
    Jim


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  • MonsterCoinzMonsterCoinz Posts: 1,518 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Plus the thick rims. You should check out the rims of MS strikes in CoinFacts.

    Here's a proof that doesn't meet your rim criteria but is a proof nonetheless.

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  • ColonelJessupColonelJessup Posts: 6,442 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 28, 2021 2:25PM

    What is the source of the image of that bright thing and what's your authentication or grading service authority?

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  • ColonelJessupColonelJessup Posts: 6,442 ✭✭✭✭✭

    "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." - Geo. Orwell
  • DelawareDoonsDelawareDoons Posts: 3,413 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 28, 2021 2:40PM

    Hmm... watching.

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  • MarkMark Posts: 3,541 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ColonelJessup :

    Just to speed up the discussion, the photo you asked about is the True View of PCGS number 37365817.

    Mark


  • ColonelJessupColonelJessup Posts: 6,442 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 28, 2021 4:16PM

    It may or may not be relevant, but that is one horrendous image for PCGS # 37365817.
    This and the above are what the real thing looks like. That flaming jewel looks unlike any matte proof ever made.

    Now show me a "readable" picture of the authenticating authorities slab for the OP's coin. I'm actually coming around to the opinion that it might be a mishandled proof (suuuuure), but I've got one of the premier authenticators of US coins on call. So far all i'd have to show him is what I'll assume is an altered image.

    There's a thread on a 1915 proof nickel from the same seller that's got a world-class photographic numis-fraud and an image of the coin delivered. If I could copy the images I would. The technician can do overlays on top of overlays and construct an image on demand.

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  • jesbrokenjesbroken Posts: 10,007 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @mach1ne
    Thanks for the info, but what book is that diagnostic information contained in and does it list diagnostics for all Matte Proof Lincolns?
    Jim


    When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest....Abraham Lincoln

    Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.....Mark Twain
  • ColonelJessupColonelJessup Posts: 6,442 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The OP has his answer and my work was done here before I arrived. See @keets post at the outset of this thread.

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  • CoinscratchCoinscratch Posts: 8,689 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Yes, I remember the Buff thread on this seller and coin that actually arrived. Night and day.

  • ColonelJessupColonelJessup Posts: 6,442 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 29, 2021 2:23PM

    @mach1ne said:

    Here's a proof that doesn't meet your rim criteria but is a proof nonetheless.

    Glamor geeks unter alles.

    I'm likely making an enemy here, but I am intellectually insulted to be presented with that particular image as any form of numismatic reference tool. Using it as an exemplar of anything else besides nice wallpaper for a desktop is both laughable and pathetic.

    Here's an image of a different 1910 proof (64RD) that's much truer to life and a typical decent TV.

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  • MonsterCoinzMonsterCoinz Posts: 1,518 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jesbroken said:
    @mach1ne
    Thanks for the info, but what book is that diagnostic information contained in and does it list diagnostics for all Matte Proof Lincolns?
    Jim

    Kevin Flynn's book on matte proofs is nice but it is black and white images. There may be a newer edition with color.

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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Based on history of this seller, and documented issues, plus further inputs from forum members, I long ago stopped considering product from this source. Cheers, RickO

  • WAYNEASWAYNEAS Posts: 6,764 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I would avoid buying this coin at all costs.
    Wayne

    Kennedys are my quest...

  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,018 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Why anyone would buy a raw coin, said to be a Matte Proof Lincoln, from this seller is beyond me. Paraphrasing the 1960s comedian, Lenny Bruce, “Do you think you are saving that much bread, man?

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