PCGS Blank Planchet Grading Set
Zoins
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I recently posted a thread on a PCGS blank planchet that sold for $1000. In that thread, people were wondering how these are graded, so I thought it would be useful to have a grading set.
This is a working thread and more will be added as they are found. Please post any that you find here 
PCGS MS65 RD - https://www.pcgs.com/cert/37676499
PCGS MS64 RD - https://www.pcgs.com/cert/37279802
PCGS MS63 - https://www.pcgs.com/cert/44357067
PCGS MS63 - https://www.pcgs.com/cert/37920475
PCGS MS63 - https://www.pcgs.com/cert/36172638
PCGS PR62 - https://www.pcgs.com/cert/36322133
PCGS PR62 - https://www.pcgs.com/cert/41941127
PCGS MS61 - https://www.pcgs.com/cert/36322136
PCGS MS60 - https://www.pcgs.com/cert/36172418
PCGS AU55 - https://www.pcgs.com/cert/43419001
PCGS AU50 BN - https://www.pcgs.com/cert/44139673
PCGS XF40 BN - https://www.pcgs.com/cert/36073346
PCGS Genuine 80 - https://www.pcgs.com/cert/43944693
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Well now... I never considered getting my blank cent planchet graded... After thinking about it, I still won't. Cheers, RickO
I was surprised as well They were on eBay and priced right. 😉 Fits right into my collection of this and that. They amuse me and that’s usually good enough for me 🙀
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@Jzyskowski1 ... I do understand... I have several 'amusing' items in my collection.... I like them, that is what counts.
Cheers, RickO
If they were submitted in box from mint for first strike, did they have to pay the $75 for errors?
I don’t think so. They were intentionally shaped and produced as penny blanks Part of the young minters stuff. So probably not an error 😉
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How can it be a First Strike if it was never struck?
How about that!! 😂🙀
Is it valuable? Should I put it on eBay? Am I gunna get rich? Maybe even become a movie star ! Sorry I just couldn’t help myself 😂😂😉
This becomes a question very much like “if a tree falls in the forest and nobody hears it, does it make a sound?🤔
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Next year, probably around the Central States show,
Heritage will be auctioning my collection of blanks
and planchets, which starts with a half cent planchet.
Most of the pieces are from the Bill Fivaz collection
of blanks and planchets, which I purchased from
Bill about 20 years ago. It's the most complete
set of blanks and planchets ever offered.
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I have at least 2 "blanks" (planchets).
Both are cents and not graded.
I never developed an addiction to pursue them but do find them very interesting.
@FredWeinberg thanks for heads up on the upcoming Heritage auction sale.
Will look forward to watching it.
How goes the (semi) retirement?
I'll bet you are still working your butt off. lol
We people are so demanding.
Wayne
Kennedys are my quest...
Good to know. They are definitely fun items to have!
By the way, if you're really into these you may need to go for the top pop! There are apparently 34 in MS69RD, but I haven't run across any photos yet.
That's great @FredWeinberg! I'm looking forward to it!
I have a few pieces from Bill Fivaz. Will his provenance be noted on the slab insert and/or lot description?
I like the following from your interview. Is this one of the planchets from Bill Fivaz?
@FredWeinberg Is there a good reference for authenticating blank planchets?
If not, would someone authenticating these need to basically buy or replicate your collection?
FWIW, I come up with about 50 different types that are "easily collectible" depending on how you define "easy". That includes various compositions of denomination, metal composition, type I or type II, etc., mostly for 20th century types.
I don't think I've ever seen a full list of US planchets that are possible. The full number for all US coinage is likely over 100 types, and maybe over 200.
Pre-1933 gold planchets are very rare, but I think that most of them exist. I'm pretty sure that blank planchets are known for all of the modern gold bullion pieces, although maybe not for the platinum ones.
The 19th century types are really tough. I've seen a couple of examples examples of half dime planchets (with raised rims) that didn't feel right to me. There's one in the Heritage archives.
I'd have a hard time believing a type I blank for 19th century type. Without raised rims, you're just looking at a disk of silver. You could confirm that the weight and diameter and composition are in tolerance and that it might be a planchet for that type, and that's about as much as you could say.
You can of course have blank planchets with other errors such as clips, laminations, clamshell or missing cladding, etc. There are many more possibilities if you include those!
Doing some house keeping and found the dang set. Explore and discover set 2019 absolutely but way back rattling around my old brain I knew I’d seen another. Here it is 😉 2005
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@Zoins
The neatest blank planchet deal that I bought came from Fred and was featured in Mint Error News:
https://minterrornews.com/discoveries-3-24-16-proof-silver-ike-planchets.html
That's a great find and a great letter Mike!
I bet that letter by itself can sell for some good bucks now!
The only thing that seems to be missing from the letter is a date!
@Zoins
Here is another article published in Mint Error News with photos from the U.S. Mint, taken by Fred on his tour. The first one shows blank planchets stuck in the bin!
https://minterrornews.com/news-2-17-04-photos_from_the_mint.html
This has probably been discussed before, but how in the world (and why?!) would you grade a blank or planchet? Seems ludicrous to me. What are the grading standards … are they published anywhere?
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I'm guessing it's graded like a normal coin, by looking at the fields, devices, and rims... except in this case, there are no devices
Imagine an ordinary coin in circulation with other coins. As it circulates it acquires a pattern of nicks and hits from the edges and rims of the other coins. This would happen on a blank planchet also, as demonstrated on the unstruck areas of off-center coins that circulated for a while.
As the ordinary coin circulates the luster is disrupted, first on the high points and the most open areas of the field, while being protected in the fields immediately adjacent to the devices, stars, letters, etc. On a type two planchet the upset rim would protect the field for a little while. On a type one blank this would not apply.
Circulation usually involves a certain amount of contact with fingertips and finger oil. This tends to discolor the metal. A planchet that has circulated would show such discoloration.
Would I be able to give a planchet a precise grade, such as Fine-12? No. However, I am confident that I could say Mint State or AU or EF.
@Zoins
Here is a third article published in Mint Error News, on Experimental blanks!
https://minterrornews.com/discoveries-11-20-16-previously-unknown-experimental-blanks-and-planchets.html
Very nice article Mike! I just noticed that NGC doesn't grade these. I wonder if there's any reason they choose not to.
One thing I'm not a fan of with the error classification is a lack of pop reports. One planchet is the same as another, not like unique errors, so it would be nice to have pop reports for these.
@Zoins
Thanks Zoins!
Personally, I do not believe they should be graded.
Authenticated - yes!
If damaged - note it!
But graded- NO!
But what about counted for pop reports?
Imagine registry set awards for the highest graded planchets?!
As of today, PCGS and NGC do not have pop reports for mint errors, nor do I believe on that ever changing, based on what I was told!
Yes, there are no pop reports for mint errors because mint errors can be unique.
That being said, I don't think planchets are unique so they just need to be assigned regular coin numbers. One blank planchet does have a PCGS coin number and pop report entry
Yes it’s an exception to the rule😉
I know! I know!
Not everyone does, so it's good to discuss!
Here's a PCGS MS62 in gold in an older holder.
Since it's a Type-2 with upset rims, it seems like we should be able to date it if we had a matching off center coin!
Any thoughts @FredWeinberg? Have any new discoveries come up to let us date this?
There’s no way to date that gold eagle that I,m aware of
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Our hosts gave this one a64 😎
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@Zoins
@FredWeinberg
Fred stated:
“ There’s no way to date that gold eagle that I am aware of”
With all due respect noted, if it was released during the first year of issue, and submitted during that time frame, it’s “date” is obvious. An example is the (2019) Cent blank planchet in the above post.😉
(1943-1944) French Indo-China 1/2 Tael blank planchet
Catalog: Lec-321b
Grade: PCGS MS63
Cert: PCGS 28671985
Sale (realized $8,400): Heritage 3088-34364
@FredWeinberg Is there any reason this blank planchet wasn't graded as a Mint Error?
From the coin number on CoinFacts, it looks like it's cataloged as a "Regular Strike" with a population of 1:
https://www.pcgs.com/valueview/french-indo-china/1943-44-1-2-t-lec-321b/1138?sn=522469
Is it because this planchet has a catalog number, "Lec-321b"?
Anyone care to do a GTG for my new planchet? It's within the grading set provided above
I'm a bit bummed that no one wanted to do a GTG! Do we need more examples in the grading set? Should I post it in a thread of its own?
I just ran across this No-Grade Genuine 80 which I added to the grading set in the OP.
Does anyone know what "80" means?
80 isn't listed on the PCGS grades page:
https://www.pcgs.com/grades
Also, while PCGS indicates this has "(No Date)" it seems like it can be restricted to 1856 to 1864 since it's copper-nickel which was only used for Flying Eagle Cents from 1856 to 1858, and Indian Head Cents from 1859 to 1864.
Here's one more, but without a full-size TrueView. This may have been graded in the Paris office.
https://www.biddr.com/auctions/ibelgica/browse?a=1845&l=2012636
I have a bunch of these raw, personally I don't think any of them would grade over MS63 if submitted but I had an interesting thought/question about them...
I have wheat cent planchets, memorial cent planchets and also Shield cents (I know this from the metal content) the question is would one type (assuming the same condition) be more valuable than another? Interesting stuff...
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@Zoins
I am moving comment from other thread to this one as it appeared more applicable here.
From:
https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/comment/13294075/#Comment_13294075
There are 34 in 69 but the highest TrueView is a 65. Would let to get some TrueViews of the higher grades for the grading set.
From:
https://www.pcgs.com/auctionprices/item/2019-1c-blank-planchet-explore-discover-set-first-strike-rd/730818/-8196065998459047148
I am not an ebay'er but searching there might find more.
If interested this is the US mint page for the Explore and Discover set. It is stated as a kids set.
https://catalog.usmint.gov/explore-and-discover-coin-set-2019-19XGB.html
https://youtube.com/watch?v=_KWVk0XeB9o - Ruby Starr (from 'Go Jim Dandy') Piece Of My Heart
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https://youtube.com/watch?v=D0FPxuQv2ns - Ruby Starr (from 'Go Jim Dandy') Maybe I'm Amazed
RLJ 1958 - 2023
That's a great coin @lilolme! I wish it had a TrueView for the grading set!
https://www.pcgs.com/cert/37877810
Just noticed that the above pcgs page had a link to view all auction sales. Going to that page and then selecting to view the ebay sales (or all) it brought up 17 sales (only the one 69). Anyway could check the ebay and if cert numbers shown might have some TV for the lower graded ones.
https://www.pcgs.com/auctionprices/details/2019-blank-planchet-ms-1c/730818?dtc=false
https://youtube.com/watch?v=_KWVk0XeB9o - Ruby Starr (from 'Go Jim Dandy') Piece Of My Heart
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https://youtube.com/watch?v=D0FPxuQv2ns - Ruby Starr (from 'Go Jim Dandy') Maybe I'm Amazed
RLJ 1958 - 2023
25c 1976 S 40% Silver T-II Proof Planchet PR62 (this looks like the one in a previous post)
https://www.pcgs.com/cert/36322133
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China 10 csh No Date type II MS61
https://www.pcgs.com/cert/38963507
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$1 no date Silver Eagle Type-II Plan MS62
https://www.pcgs.com/cert/42065395
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Canada 1968 - 87 Blank Planchet- Type I MS61
https://www.pcgs.com/cert/36466660
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https://youtube.com/watch?v=_KWVk0XeB9o - Ruby Starr (from 'Go Jim Dandy') Piece Of My Heart
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https://youtube.com/watch?v=D0FPxuQv2ns - Ruby Starr (from 'Go Jim Dandy') Maybe I'm Amazed
RLJ 1958 - 2023
I always thought a blank and a planchet were two different things.
Disclaimer: I'm not a dealer, trader, grader, investor or professional numismatist. I'm just a hobbyist. (To protect me but mostly you! 🤣 )
Great find! I've been looking for this one ever since it was the highlight coin @FredWeinberg's interview.
I'll get all these added to the top list!
Here's an Explore & Discover Set planchet that doesn't have a FirstStrike label.
Photos courtesy of L&C Coins.
The grading company seems to be generous with some of the grades?
I got a memorial blank from a grocery store cashier.
She cracked open the roll and gave me change.
I thought well that's interesting and asked if the roll had any more.
Nope, if I would have thought better I would have kept some of the dates cents along with the blank.
Once the roll was cracked technically it became a circulated blank.
I like this one. Gold planchet is rare.