@yosclimber said:
Because they are "ricko approved".
More constructively, it is not considered polite to criticize what people collect.
I could make the same type of critique, like
"Why do you collect all the same type, but different dates, when you could collect all different types?"
There are also people who collect different die pairs or die states from the same date-mint mark.
The answer is because they like it.
They don't have to add on a complicated rationalization....
You could even ask,
"Why do some people like black and white movies, when movies in color are available?"
The answer is that color is just one component of a movie.
Yes, Ricko would be happy.
As for polite, I don’t think criticism in itself is impolite but rather how that criticism is structured dictates whether it’s impolite or not. I didn’t say collecting all “white” coins is stupid, a waste of time and money or something only a one dimensional collector would do. Folks have their likes and dislikes. I’m just trying to understand what folks find appealing in collecting a series of coins that are essentially the same from one date to the next.
No one owes me an explanation but I’m trying to see things from their perspective and the motivation that drives them. Maybe it is the thrill of the hunt. I understand that aspect of collecting since there is a similar thrill in trying to find just the right toned coin. Maybe at the end of the hunt there is the same satisfaction. I look at my set of Franklins and ever coin is somewhat unique. I closely examine each coin to enjoy their uniqueness. Another person opens their album and there are 30, 40 or 50 coins that are high grade BU and the sight of that collection is what floats their boat. Maybe I need to experience it to get it. Maybe for them it’s more about the collection versus the individual coins. I don’t know and asked the question to get a clear understanding of the why.
And your method of collecting makes no sense to many of us.
And to non-collectiors, the whole idea of collecting in any manner at all makes no sense.
I must have missed the poll. Can you provide a link?
So I gather from your remarks that you’re one of those series collectors that is into collecting 50 BU coins that you can’t tell apart except for the date and mint mark. What allure does that have for you? Do you spread out the collect, take five steps back and appreciate the brilliance?
Perhaps if you stepped back and stopped looking at it from solely your perspective you could get past your "they all look the same" issue. Some people like to collect sets. For them, having them all is what matters, and the fact they are all similar is irrelevant. Not everyone has the same reasons or likes. I mostly collect type, but i have some sets and there is a satisfaction for me to completing the entire set in a similar look and eye appeal.
The purpose of this thread is to help me and others “step back and stop looking at it from solely my perspective”. As far as getting passed “they all look the same”, how do I get passed the fact that they all look the same? Are you saying three blast “white MS-65 Morgan’s or Franklins or Walkers don’t look the same?
For someone who is trying to look at it from other people's perspective, you sure keep repeating only your perspective of "they all look the same" a lot.
Yes, they all look the same. And if you actually read my previous post, i already answered your question. To repeat, some of us like to complete a full set with a similar look and eye appeal. NOT ONLY DON'T WE CARE THAT THEY ALL LOOK THE SAME, THATS THE ENTIRE POINT!
And for the forum english/grammar Nazi's, yes, i realize i contradicted myself in that last sentence and should have said we do care, i shall go sit in timeout now.
@jmlanzaf said:
I'M the one who mentioned them being the same date. Let me add more words to make it clearer: If you are collecting for toning pattern, you wouldn't need a full date "set" of Franklins, you could simply collect colorful Franklins that were all of the same date.
I am thinking about doing a toned Mercury Dime short set. If you collect for toning, you don't necessarily need to not care what the date is.
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@humanssuck said:
And for the forum english/grammar Nazi's, yes, i realize i contradicted myself in that last sentence and should have said we do care, i shall go sit in timeout now.
Now don’t go getting political we all know which side the correctors are on.
@yosclimber said:
Because they are "ricko approved".
More constructively, it is not considered polite to criticize what people collect.
I could make the same type of critique, like
"Why do you collect all the same type, but different dates, when you could collect all different types?"
There are also people who collect different die pairs or die states from the same date-mint mark.
The answer is because they like it.
They don't have to add on a complicated rationalization....
You could even ask,
"Why do some people like black and white movies, when movies in color are available?"
The answer is that color is just one component of a movie.
Yes, Ricko would be happy.
As for polite, I don’t think criticism in itself is impolite but rather how that criticism is structured dictates whether it’s impolite or not. I didn’t say collecting all “white” coins is stupid, a waste of time and money or something only a one dimensional collector would do. Folks have their likes and dislikes. I’m just trying to understand what folks find appealing in collecting a series of coins that are essentially the same from one date to the next.
No one owes me an explanation but I’m trying to see things from their perspective and the motivation that drives them. Maybe it is the thrill of the hunt. I understand that aspect of collecting since there is a similar thrill in trying to find just the right toned coin. Maybe at the end of the hunt there is the same satisfaction. I look at my set of Franklins and ever coin is somewhat unique. I closely examine each coin to enjoy their uniqueness. Another person opens their album and there are 30, 40 or 50 coins that are high grade BU and the sight of that collection is what floats their boat. Maybe I need to experience it to get it. Maybe for them it’s more about the collection versus the individual coins. I don’t know and asked the question to get a clear understanding of the why.
And your method of collecting makes no sense to many of us.
And to non-collectiors, the whole idea of collecting in any manner at all makes no sense.
I must have missed the poll. Can you provide a link?
So I gather from your remarks that you’re one of those series collectors that is into collecting 50 BU coins that you can’t tell apart except for the date and mint mark. What allure does that have for you? Do you spread out the collect, take five steps back and appreciate the brilliance?
Perhaps if you stepped back and stopped looking at it from solely your perspective you could get past your "they all look the same" issue. Some people like to collect sets. For them, having them all is what matters, and the fact they are all similar is irrelevant. Not everyone has the same reasons or likes. I mostly collect type, but i have some sets and there is a satisfaction for me to completing the entire set in a similar look and eye appeal.
The purpose of this thread is to help me and others “step back and stop looking at it from solely my perspective”. As far as getting passed “they all look the same”, how do I get passed the fact that they all look the same? Are you saying three blast “white MS-65 Morgan’s or Franklins or Walkers don’t look the same?
For someone who is trying to look at it from other people's perspective, you sure keep repeating only your perspective of "they all look the same" a lot.
Yes, they all look the same. And if you actually read my previous post, i already answered your question. To repeat, some of us like to complete a full set with a similar look and eye appeal. NOT ONLY DON'T WE CARE THAT THEY ALL LOOK THE SAME, THATS THE ENTIRE POINT!
Actually if you read my post I haven't simply repeated my own perspective. And your all caps last sentence makes it clear you like everything to look the same. For you variety isn't the spice of life. I guess I would have really made your day if I would have repeated the same picture of the Washington Quarter 45 more times.
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@jmlanzaf said:
I'M the one who mentioned them being the same date. Let me add more words to make it clearer: If you are collecting for toning pattern, you wouldn't need a full date "set" of Franklins, you could simply collect colorful Franklins that were all of the same date.
I am thinking about doing a toned Mercury Dime short set. If you collect for toning, you don't necessarily need to not care what the date is.
Oh, I agree. My point is simply that all such distinctions are personal preferences not rational decisions. White or toned, date set or type, mintmarks or year sets...coins or comic books...
@ricko said: You did not like my comment.... Cheers, RickO
He also doesn't like your collection.
There you go again. I didn't say I liked every comment. And I did better on Ricko's with "I get where you are coming from".
And yes, you said "same date" and it has ZERO bearing on the discussion so why did you mention it? We're taking about sets of coins (Morgans, Franklins, Peace Dollars, etc.) where the only differences are dates and mint marks. How did you end up going of on a tangent about coins with the same date?
Everyone else understands my point about the dates. The fact that you don't is concerning.
Get it? I don't think you get it. The issue isn't about dates (plural). My original post referenced dates (plural). You interjected "same date" (singular) which had nothing to do with the subject being addressed. I'll repeat it for you. The issue is a collection of BU MS-65 coins where the only differences are the dates. That "s" in the last word means something.
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@dbldie55 said:
ricko said exactly what I would say. Prefer them to look as minted. Everyone can collect what they like, only have to impress yourself.
I get that and if I was collecting a type set that would be my goal. The question in the OP was more related to a series set. It's the same series (Morgans, Franklins, Peace Dollars, etc.), the same design with the only differences being the date and mint mark.
That said it seems some like the sameness (as mentioned by humanssuck), others like the challenge of finding examples in high grade BU and the big picture view of the collection as a whole in that condition.
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@MasonG said:
You guys could continue to provide answers for 12 more pages, and it won't make a dent.
But it is kinda fun to follow the groupies on any given night.
The usual suspects tend to flock together. Let’s see I remember correctly, The Hop on Wednesday because that was ladies night. Thursday was the Lizard Lounge, and Friday the crowd was at Chains.
@MasonG said:
You guys could continue to provide answers for 12 more pages, and it won't make a dent.
I'm not sure what you mean by "won't make a dent". I've mention a number of times what I've gathered from the responses made by those that enjoy collecting a series in high grade BU. If by "making a dent" you mean I haven’t acknowledge those sentiments you're wrong. If "won't make a dent" means my preferences haven’t changed you'd be correct. But the purpose of the thread wasn't to change my preference or anyone else's. The purpose behind the questions asked in the OP was to understand the motivations that shape that preference for a series of high grade BU coins.
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When I first started on my quest to complete a Morgan Dollar Collection back in maybe 1989/90, I wanted only all white, brilliant coins. My taste stayed that way for quite a while as toned coins just did not appeal to me.
Fast forward to maybe the early 2000's, can't say why, but started adding coins with slight rim toning. As time went by I grew to like them with even more toning and with color too.
It just seemed to add some more "character" to the coin and to make it a little more special and to stand on it's own.
Now, with my collection complete, I have a decent amount of coins with different types of toning.
I still can understand anyone who collects/adds only white coins to a set and will not argue with that.
Collect what you like. Period.
Here is one of my Morgans that I am very fond of now that I would not have considered back when I started.
@humanssuck said:
And for the forum english/grammar Nazi's, yes, i realize i contradicted myself in that last sentence and should have said we do care, i shall go sit in timeout now.
I didn't notice the grammar; I was distracted by ALL OF THE SHOUTING!
and I agree with you... album full of similar looking coins tends to look better than album of some white, some mottled, some worn, some pristine, some there, some missing...
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@LeeBone said:
It's all a matter of personal preference.
When I first started on my quest to complete a Morgan Dollar Collection back in maybe 1989/90, I wanted only all white, brilliant coins. My taste stayed that way for quite a while as toned coins just did not appeal to me.
Fast forward to maybe the early 2000's, can't say why, but started adding coins with slight rim toning. As time went by I grew to like them with even more toning and with color too.
It just seemed to add some more "character" to the coin and to make it a little more special and to stand on it's own.
Now, with my collection complete, I have a decent amount of coins with different types of toning.
I still can understand anyone who collects/adds only white coins to a set and will not argue with that.
Collect what you like. Period.
Here is one of my Morgans that I am very fond of now that I would not have considered back when I started.
Beautiful coin (I know Ricko, environmentally damaged).
Somewhat off topic but since you know Morgan's I'll ask. Has anyone attempted to collect say 1880 Morgan's in all varieties and mint marks in BU MS-65? Would it be possible meaning are there actually coins in that condition that would cover every variety and mint mark for that date?
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@LeeBone said:
It's all a matter of personal preference.
When I first started on my quest to complete a Morgan Dollar Collection back in maybe 1989/90, I wanted only all white, brilliant coins. My taste stayed that way for quite a while as toned coins just did not appeal to me.
Fast forward to maybe the early 2000's, can't say why, but started adding coins with slight rim toning. As time went by I grew to like them with even more toning and with color too.
It just seemed to add some more "character" to the coin and to make it a little more special and to stand on it's own.
Now, with my collection complete, I have a decent amount of coins with different types of toning.
I still can understand anyone who collects/adds only white coins to a set and will not argue with that.
Collect what you like. Period.
Here is one of my Morgans that I am very fond of now that I would not have considered back when I started.
See, you are supposed to take the marshmallow out of the campfire before it catches. And Grahams work better than Morgans to hold the 'mallows and chocolate. Just sayin'...
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I'm mainly a series collector, primarily collecting U.S. coins in circulated condition, usually in either VF or XF. I personally prefer nicely matched sets, in BOTH grade and color. It's a challenge finding original material that hasn't been messed with, esp with the tougher dates. I'm not really a fan of sets where the coins range from AG to Mint State....some coins dipped white, others heavily toned. They just aren't interesting to my eye.
I prefer beautifully matched COMPLETE sets, as I appreciate the difficulty in assembling them. But as others have said, collect what you like. That's what really makes things fun.
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@humanssuck said:
And for the forum english/grammar Nazi's, yes, i realize i contradicted myself in that last sentence and should have said we do care, i shall go sit in timeout now.
I didn't notice the grammar; I was distracted by ALL OF THE SHOUTING!
and I agree with you... album full of similar looking coins tends to look better than album of some white, some mottled, some worn, some pristine, some there, some missing...
But I just bought a quality album and planned to do just that. Proof, uncirculated, circulated and any toned. Roosies for days.
Now I’ll have to live in shame of disappointing a friend and fellow forum hooligan. Just playing 😉. I will be haunting you with pictures.
@yosclimber said:
Because they are "ricko approved".
More constructively, it is not considered polite to criticize what people collect.
I could make the same type of critique, like
"Why do you collect all the same type, but different dates, when you could collect all different types?"
There are also people who collect different die pairs or die states from the same date-mint mark.
The answer is because they like it.
They don't have to add on a complicated rationalization....
You could even ask,
"Why do some people like black and white movies, when movies in color are available?"
The answer is that color is just one component of a movie.
Yes, Ricko would be happy.
As for polite, I don’t think criticism in itself is impolite but rather how that criticism is structured dictates whether it’s impolite or not. I didn’t say collecting all “white” coins is stupid, a waste of time and money or something only a one dimensional collector would do. Folks have their likes and dislikes. I’m just trying to understand what folks find appealing in collecting a series of coins that are essentially the same from one date to the next.
No one owes me an explanation but I’m trying to see things from their perspective and the motivation that drives them. Maybe it is the thrill of the hunt. I understand that aspect of collecting since there is a similar thrill in trying to find just the right toned coin. Maybe at the end of the hunt there is the same satisfaction. I look at my set of Franklins and ever coin is somewhat unique. I closely examine each coin to enjoy their uniqueness. Another person opens their album and there are 30, 40 or 50 coins that are high grade BU and the sight of that collection is what floats their boat. Maybe I need to experience it to get it. Maybe for them it’s more about the collection versus the individual coins. I don’t know and asked the question to get a clear understanding of the why.
And your method of collecting makes no sense to many of us.
And to non-collectiors, the whole idea of collecting in any manner at all makes no sense.
I must have missed the poll. Can you provide a link?
So I gather from your remarks that you’re one of those series collectors that is into collecting 50 BU coins that you can’t tell apart except for the date and mint mark. What allure does that have for you? Do you spread out the collect, take five steps back and appreciate the brilliance?
Perhaps if you stepped back and stopped looking at it from solely your perspective you could get past your "they all look the same" issue. Some people like to collect sets. For them, having them all is what matters, and the fact they are all similar is irrelevant. Not everyone has the same reasons or likes. I mostly collect type, but i have some sets and there is a satisfaction for me to completing the entire set in a similar look and eye appeal.
The purpose of this thread is to help me and others “step back and stop looking at it from solely my perspective”. As far as getting passed “they all look the same”, how do I get passed the fact that they all look the same? Are you saying three blast “white MS-65 Morgan’s or Franklins or Walkers don’t look the same?
For someone who is trying to look at it from other people's perspective, you sure keep repeating only your perspective of "they all look the same" a lot.
Yes, they all look the same. And if you actually read my previous post, i already answered your question. To repeat, some of us like to complete a full set with a similar look and eye appeal. NOT ONLY DON'T WE CARE THAT THEY ALL LOOK THE SAME, THATS THE ENTIRE POINT!
Actually if you read my post I haven't simply repeated my own perspective. And your all caps last sentence makes it clear you like everything to look the same. For you variety isn't the spice of life. I guess I would have really made your day if I would have repeated the same picture of the Washington Quarter 45 more times.
Washington quarters are fugly. But if it had been Rick-O approved Morgans, yes. Lets have them....
As one who prefers to collect by type with attractive eye appeal, I can understand the OP’s sentiments. Yet I do appreciate that there are others who like and want white coins and those who collect by series. It’s not for me and I don’t have to understand or require that their passion has to be like mine. A frosty Morgan can get my attention even if I don’t wish to own them in multitudes. The hobby is better off for diverse interests!
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@humanssuck said:
And for the forum english/grammar Nazi's, yes, i realize i contradicted myself in that last sentence and should have said we do care, i shall go sit in timeout now.
I didn't notice the grammar; I was distracted by ALL OF THE SHOUTING!
and I agree with you... album full of similar looking coins tends to look better than album of some white, some mottled, some worn, some pristine, some there, some missing...
But I just bought a quality album and planned to do just that. Proof, uncirculated, circulated and any toned. Roosies for days.
Now I’ll have to live in shame of disappointing a friend and fellow forum hooligan. Just playing 😉. I will be haunting you with pictures.
Collect what you like! 👍🏼
Make sure you include some error coins in with your roosies! And some PMD parking lot coins.
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@humanssuck said:
And for the forum english/grammar Nazi's, yes, i realize i contradicted myself in that last sentence and should have said we do care, i shall go sit in timeout now.
I didn't notice the grammar; I was distracted by ALL OF THE SHOUTING!
and I agree with you... album full of similar looking coins tends to look better than album of some white, some mottled, some worn, some pristine, some there, some missing...
But I just bought a quality album and planned to do just that. Proof, uncirculated, circulated and any toned. Roosies for days.
Now I’ll have to live in shame of disappointing a friend and fellow forum hooligan. Just playing 😉. I will be haunting you with pictures.
Collect what you like! 👍🏼
Make sure you include some error coins in with your roosies! And some PMD parking lot coins.
Everything but the parking lot. I have decided to include some counter stamped examples. I’ve got some wonderful errors and I think I’ll take your advice. Thanks 😉
It depends on what end results you're looking for. I was taught to complete a set of whatever you collect. Stickers, baseball cards, etc. I decided on wheat cents that were minted with the intentions of putting them into circulation. As I collected it was suggested in books I read to try to keep your coins similar. AU to 64 RB or BN. Obviously your pocketbook is going to dictate what date and mintmark you can afford. It helps the value of your collection to be complete and if your coins are evenly matched.
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@humanssuck said:
And for the forum english/grammar Nazi's, yes, i realize i contradicted myself in that last sentence and should have said we do care, i shall go sit in timeout now.
@humanssuck said:
And for the forum english/grammar Nazi's, yes, i realize i contradicted myself in that last sentence and should have said we do care, i shall go sit in timeout now.
@humanssuck said:
And for the forum english/grammar Nazi's, yes, i realize i contradicted myself in that last sentence and should have said we do care, i shall go sit in timeout now.
A plural (Nazis) requires no apostrophe.
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Don't you mean "No comment's"?
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@humanssuck said:
And for the forum english/grammar Nazi's, yes, i realize i contradicted myself in that last sentence and should have said we do care, i shall go sit in timeout now.
@Jzyskowski1 said:
Quick somebody post a “grammar “ coin😉
Perhaps a dictionary coin?
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@pmh1nic said:
What is the attraction to looking at a row of coins that are essentially the same with different dates…
I’d add more but you get my point. Enlighten me.
I like (some) toning, but it is often described as "environmental damage" on the forums. Toning is a chemical reaction that is occurring with the atmosphere. Those those people, some toned coins are essentially "problem coins".
@Gazes said:
They may all "look the same" to you but they arent.
Yeah, only one of them is the same. The rest are different. 😉
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@pmh1nic said:
What is the attraction to looking at a row of coins that are essentially the same with different dates…
I’d add more but you get my point. Enlighten me.
These look exactly the same to me!
Oh wait! They are all the same photo of the same coin!
Is using the same photo an accident or is there a joke somewhere here?
It was to convey the idea that 25 MS-65 BU coins are essentially going to look the same. If they are all gem 65's there will be a minor number of marks, none very distracting and the major differences will be the dates.
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@Gazes said:
They may all "look the same" to you but they arent.
Baloney!
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@Gazes said:
They may all "look the same" to you but they arent.
Baloney!
And there you are, tolerating other people's preferences again.
I've never seen two coins below MS69 that were identical.
What do you mean tolerating? As stated from the very beginning of this thread people are free to collect whatever they what to collect.
There is near zero appreciable difference in two BU MS-65 coins. They are going to have very minor differences, a contact mark here or there but by definition these two gem coins are going to have no major distractions.
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@Gazes said:
They may all "look the same" to you but they arent.
Baloney!
And there you are, tolerating other people's preferences again.
I've never seen two coins below MS69 that were identical.
What do you mean tolerating? As stated from the very beginning of this thread people are free to collect whatever they what to collect.
There is near zero appreciable difference in two BU MS-65 coins. They are going to have very minor differences, a contact mark here or there but by definition these two gem coins are going to have no major distractions.
Oh, I didn't realize that "baloney!" translates as "I respect your preferences and collecting choices".
@Gazes said:
They may all "look the same" to you but they arent.
Baloney!
And there you are, tolerating other people's preferences again.
I've never seen two coins below MS69 that were identical.
What do you mean tolerating? As stated from the very beginning of this thread people are free to collect whatever they what to collect.
There is near zero appreciable difference in two BU MS-65 coins. They are going to have very minor differences, a contact mark here or there but by definition these two gem coins are going to have no major distractions.
Oh, I didn't realize that "baloney!" translates as "I respect your preferences and collecting choices".
The baloney was in reference to the statement "they may look the same to you but they arent". That's not an issue of "preference", that an issue of fact. Two BU MS-65 coins are not going to look significantly different. Why? Because by definition those coins are going to have very minor differences. We're not talking about two MS-62 coins that can have an abundance of significant dings and abrasions all over the coin. If they are MS-65 coins they cannot have any significant dings or distracting marks. So yes, essentially they will look the same. If not one of them is not a 65.
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@MasonG said:
If you don't like toning, there is near zero difference between two similarly graded toned coins.
That's a matter of preference. Two toned coins with the same MS-65 grade can look VERY different. Two BU MS-65 coins cannot.
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For someone who is trying to look at it from other people's perspective, you sure keep repeating only your perspective of "they all look the same" a lot.
Yes, they all look the same. And if you actually read my previous post, i already answered your question. To repeat, some of us like to complete a full set with a similar look and eye appeal. NOT ONLY DON'T WE CARE THAT THEY ALL LOOK THE SAME, THATS THE ENTIRE POINT!
And for the forum english/grammar Nazi's, yes, i realize i contradicted myself in that last sentence and should have said we do care, i shall go sit in timeout now.
I am thinking about doing a toned Mercury Dime short set. If you collect for toning, you don't necessarily need to not care what the date is.
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Actually if you read my post I haven't simply repeated my own perspective. And your all caps last sentence makes it clear you like everything to look the same. For you variety isn't the spice of life. I guess I would have really made your day if I would have repeated the same picture of the Washington Quarter 45 more times.
Oh, I agree. My point is simply that all such distinctions are personal preferences not rational decisions. White or toned, date set or type, mintmarks or year sets...coins or comic books...
Get it? I don't think you get it. The issue isn't about dates (plural). My original post referenced dates (plural). You interjected "same date" (singular) which had nothing to do with the subject being addressed. I'll repeat it for you. The issue is a collection of BU MS-65 coins where the only differences are the dates. That "s" in the last word means something.
ricko said exactly what I would say. Prefer them to look as minted. Everyone can collect what they like, only have to impress yourself.
You guys could continue to provide answers for 12 more pages, and it won't make a dent.
I get that and if I was collecting a type set that would be my goal. The question in the OP was more related to a series set. It's the same series (Morgans, Franklins, Peace Dollars, etc.), the same design with the only differences being the date and mint mark.
That said it seems some like the sameness (as mentioned by humanssuck), others like the challenge of finding examples in high grade BU and the big picture view of the collection as a whole in that condition.
But it is kinda fun to follow the groupies on any given night.
The usual suspects tend to flock together. Let’s see I remember correctly, The Hop on Wednesday because that was ladies night. Thursday was the Lizard Lounge, and Friday the crowd was at Chains.
I'm not sure what you mean by "won't make a dent". I've mention a number of times what I've gathered from the responses made by those that enjoy collecting a series in high grade BU. If by "making a dent" you mean I haven’t acknowledge those sentiments you're wrong. If "won't make a dent" means my preferences haven’t changed you'd be correct. But the purpose of the thread wasn't to change my preference or anyone else's. The purpose behind the questions asked in the OP was to understand the motivations that shape that preference for a series of high grade BU coins.
It's all a matter of personal preference.
When I first started on my quest to complete a Morgan Dollar Collection back in maybe 1989/90, I wanted only all white, brilliant coins. My taste stayed that way for quite a while as toned coins just did not appeal to me.
Fast forward to maybe the early 2000's, can't say why, but started adding coins with slight rim toning. As time went by I grew to like them with even more toning and with color too.
It just seemed to add some more "character" to the coin and to make it a little more special and to stand on it's own.
Now, with my collection complete, I have a decent amount of coins with different types of toning.
I still can understand anyone who collects/adds only white coins to a set and will not argue with that.
Collect what you like. Period.
Here is one of my Morgans that I am very fond of now that I would not have considered back when I started.
I didn't notice the grammar; I was distracted by ALL OF THE SHOUTING!
and I agree with you... album full of similar looking coins tends to look better than album of some white, some mottled, some worn, some pristine, some there, some missing...
Beautiful coin (I know Ricko, environmentally damaged).
Somewhat off topic but since you know Morgan's I'll ask. Has anyone attempted to collect say 1880 Morgan's in all varieties and mint marks in BU MS-65? Would it be possible meaning are there actually coins in that condition that would cover every variety and mint mark for that date?
See, you are supposed to take the marshmallow out of the campfire before it catches. And Grahams work better than Morgans to hold the 'mallows and chocolate. Just sayin'...
I'm mainly a series collector, primarily collecting U.S. coins in circulated condition, usually in either VF or XF. I personally prefer nicely matched sets, in BOTH grade and color. It's a challenge finding original material that hasn't been messed with, esp with the tougher dates. I'm not really a fan of sets where the coins range from AG to Mint State....some coins dipped white, others heavily toned. They just aren't interesting to my eye.
I prefer beautifully matched COMPLETE sets, as I appreciate the difficulty in assembling them. But as others have said, collect what you like. That's what really makes things fun.
Dave
But I just bought a quality album and planned to do just that. Proof, uncirculated, circulated and any toned. Roosies for days.
Now I’ll have to live in shame of disappointing a friend and fellow forum hooligan. Just playing 😉. I will be haunting you with pictures.
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Washington quarters are fugly. But if it had been Rick-O approved Morgans, yes. Lets have them....
As one who prefers to collect by type with attractive eye appeal, I can understand the OP’s sentiments. Yet I do appreciate that there are others who like and want white coins and those who collect by series. It’s not for me and I don’t have to understand or require that their passion has to be like mine. A frosty Morgan can get my attention even if I don’t wish to own them in multitudes. The hobby is better off for diverse interests!
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Make sure you include some error coins in with your roosies! And some PMD parking lot coins.
What Mr Eureka said. In short : The quest. The hunt. The gathering.
Everything but the parking lot. I have decided to include some counter stamped examples. I’ve got some wonderful errors and I think I’ll take your advice. Thanks 😉
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It depends on what end results you're looking for. I was taught to complete a set of whatever you collect. Stickers, baseball cards, etc. I decided on wheat cents that were minted with the intentions of putting them into circulation. As I collected it was suggested in books I read to try to keep your coins similar. AU to 64 RB or BN. Obviously your pocketbook is going to dictate what date and mintmark you can afford. It helps the value of your collection to be complete and if your coins are evenly matched.
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A plural (Nazis) requires no apostrophe.
Counter stamped dimes. No got. Forum members?
( he -he ,where’s my hammer and the leather strap ) 😉
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Don't you mean "No comment's"?
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I have nearly a box of 20 Buffalo nickels in 1938d in various MS state... all untoned. Just about mint perfection.
I spend hours looking for toned proof Lincoln cents... I make a little profit, get a True View, and pass on natural works of art somebody will appreciate.
I enjoy looking and grading modern quarters and common cents looking for high grade treasure.
As long as there is learning, profits, and the hunt... sign me up
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No need to capitalize "Comment" there.
Quick somebody post a “grammar “ coin😉
Perhaps a dictionary coin?
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Medals
I think you mean metals
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Years ago, I was at a small coin show in Bellaire, TX. While admiring one dealer's certified Morgans, I commented how I loved the darker shades. "Gray dirt! That's what some of us call them." Now that's what I call them, too. I have a mostly grey dirt silver type collection ... and I absolutely love each one! To each his own. I think we can all agree that great eye appeal is important.
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They may all "look the same" to you but they arent.
I like (some) toning, but it is often described as "environmental damage" on the forums. Toning is a chemical reaction that is occurring with the atmosphere. Those those people, some toned coins are essentially "problem coins".
These look exactly the same to me!
Oh wait! They are all the same photo of the same coin!
Is using the same photo an accident or is there a joke somewhere here?
Yeah, only one of them is the same. The rest are different. 😉
It was to convey the idea that 25 MS-65 BU coins are essentially going to look the same. If they are all gem 65's there will be a minor number of marks, none very distracting and the major differences will be the dates.
Baloney!
And there you are, tolerating other people's preferences again.
I've never seen two coins below MS69 that were identical.
Collect the Palladium Eagles and you get a bit of everything.............proof, reverse proof, MS........... :-) cheers, karl
What do you mean tolerating? As stated from the very beginning of this thread people are free to collect whatever they what to collect.
There is near zero appreciable difference in two BU MS-65 coins. They are going to have very minor differences, a contact mark here or there but by definition these two gem coins are going to have no major distractions.
Oh, I didn't realize that "baloney!" translates as "I respect your preferences and collecting choices".
If you don't like toning, there is near zero difference between two similarly graded toned coins.
The baloney was in reference to the statement "they may look the same to you but they arent". That's not an issue of "preference", that an issue of fact. Two BU MS-65 coins are not going to look significantly different. Why? Because by definition those coins are going to have very minor differences. We're not talking about two MS-62 coins that can have an abundance of significant dings and abrasions all over the coin. If they are MS-65 coins they cannot have any significant dings or distracting marks. So yes, essentially they will look the same. If not one of them is not a 65.
That's a matter of preference. Two toned coins with the same MS-65 grade can look VERY different. Two BU MS-65 coins cannot.
There are two types of toning: attractive and ugly. Of the two, ugly toned coins all look the same- ugly.