Should this coin Receive a CAC Sticker?

Steven59 · October 29, 2021 7:14PM

This is one that CAC blows blew it to me

MasonG · October 29, 2021 7:14PM

Because they put stickers on slabs?

jmlanzaf · October 29, 2021 7:22PM

@MasonG said:
Because they put stickers on slabs?

I think he just wants the thread closed down.

MasonG · October 29, 2021 7:23PM

@jmlanzaf said:

@MasonG said:
Because they put stickers on slabs?

I think he just wants the thread closed down.

Not starting it wouldn't have worked for that?

jmlanzaf · October 29, 2021 7:24PM

That's an F12 these days according to me, CAC and here's the PCGS photograde picture

Goldminers · October 29, 2021 7:25PM

Did you expect gold? 🤔

jmlanzaf · October 29, 2021 7:26PM

@MasonG said:

@jmlanzaf said:

@MasonG said:
Because they put stickers on slabs?

I think he just wants the thread closed down.

Not starting it wouldn't have worked for that?

Doesn't garner the same attention or sense of satisfaction?

MasonG · October 29, 2021 7:28PM

@jmlanzaf said:
That's an F12 these days according to me, CAC and gets the PCGS photograde picture

I checked the PCGS photograde pictures and this is what they say:

I don't see VG10 or F15, but then, that's just me.

jmlanzaf · October 29, 2021 7:29PM

@MasonG said:

@jmlanzaf said:
That's an F12 these days according to me, CAC and gets the PCGS photograde picture

I checked the PCGS photograde pictures and this is what they

I don't see VG10 or F15, but then, that's just me.

I agree, as above. Maybe we're misinterpreting the OP.

Soldi · October 29, 2021 7:33PM

F-12 isn't what it used to be.

MasonG · October 29, 2021 7:35PM

@jmlanzaf said:
I agree, as above. Maybe we're misinterpreting the OP.

Wouldn't you have to know what point he's trying to make in order to misinterpret it?

mr1931S · October 29, 2021 7:37PM

CAC is telling the OP what he already knows? That's why it blows?

jmlanzaf · October 29, 2021 7:46PM

@MasonG said:

@jmlanzaf said:
I agree, as above. Maybe we're misinterpreting the OP.

Wouldn't you have to know what point he's trying to make in order to misinterpret it?

I don't think so. We think he's objecting to the sticker. Maybe that's our misinterpretation.

Maybe it's the location of the sticker. He could be left- handed.

ChrisH821 · October 29, 2021 7:49PM

Gen 4.4, 2005-2011

MasonG · October 29, 2021 7:52PM

@mr1874 said:
I don't think so. We think he's objecting to the sticker. Maybe that's our misinterpretation.

I don't think anybody is obligated to agree with CAC. Are they?

jmlanzaf · October 29, 2021 7:55PM

@MasonG said:

@mr1874 said:
I don't think so. We think he's objecting to the sticker. Maybe that's our misinterpretation.

I don't think anybody is obligated to agree with CAC. Are they?

The only obligation is to complain about CAC decisions that you don't agree with. Lol

I wonder why he's not objecting to PCGS as well. It's not like CAC did anything but affirm the PCGS grade.

jmlanzaf · October 29, 2021 7:56PM

I'll happily pay you VG money if you think it's overgraded.

amwldcoin · October 29, 2021 8:03PM

So do you think that is an A or B coin? I'm sorry...that's a F to me that shouldn't be in a problem free holder!

@jmlanzaf said:
That's an F12 these days according to me, CAC and here's the PCGS photograde picture

jmlanzaf · October 29, 2021 8:03PM

@amwldcoin said:
So do you think that is an A or B coin? I'm sorry...that's an F to me that shouldn't be in a holder!

@jmlanzaf said:
That's an F12 these days according to me, CAC and here's the PCGS photograde picture

I think that a B F12 in the current market

moursund · October 29, 2021 8:04PM

Probably haven't had a good CAC thread yet in October... Needed this one before the month ended...😜

MasonG · October 29, 2021 8:04PM

@amwldcoin said:
So do you think that is an A or B coin? I'm sorry...that's an F to me that shouldn't be in a problem free holder!

You're grading from the picture you posted?

edited to add... it seems to have been taken to best represent the paper insert and CAC sticker. The coin itself? Not so much.

amwldcoin · October 29, 2021 8:06PM

Well! you won't sell that coin to me or any of my customers!

@jmlanzaf said:

@amwldcoin said:
So do you think that is an A or B coin? I'm sorry...that's an F to me that shouldn't be in a holder!

@jmlanzaf said:
That's an F12 these days according to me, CAC and here's the PCGS photograde picture

I think that a B F12 in the current market

pmh1nic · October 29, 2021 8:06PM

I think the OP is questioning the idea that the coin is solid for the grade. In my opinion it's borderline on the low side.

amwldcoin · October 29, 2021 8:07PM

Of course...that picture says all I need to see.

@MasonG said:

@amwldcoin said:
So do you think that is an A or B coin? I'm sorry...that's an F to me that shouldn't be in a problem free holder!

You're grading from the picture you posted?

edited to add... it seems to have been taken to best represent the paper insert and CAC sticker. The coin itself? Not so much.

amwldcoin · October 29, 2021 8:08PM

and cleaned!

@pmh1nic said:
I think the OP is questioning the idea that the coin is solid for the grade. In my opinion it's borderline on the low side.

MasonG · October 29, 2021 8:08PM

@pmh1nic said:
I think the OP is questioning the idea that the coin is solid for the grade. In my opinion it's borderline on the low side.

PCGS and CAC have seen the coin in hand. Have you? Or the OP?

Project Numismatics · October 29, 2021 8:10PM

@amwldcoin said:

Coin is cleaned - too many hairlines across the cheek. Ignoring that, it’s a “C” level F12. Pre-1900 weak strike - can’t compare it to a 1914 photo grade. Would help to post the reverse…

amwldcoin · October 29, 2021 8:12PM

Here ya go!

@J2035 said:

@amwldcoin said:

Coin is cleaned - too many hairlines across the cheek. Ignoring that, it’s a “C” level F12. Pre-1900 weak strike - can’t compare it to a 1914 photo grade. Would help to post the reverse…

pmh1nic · October 29, 2021 8:17PM

@MasonG said:

@pmh1nic said:
I think the OP is questioning the idea that the coin is solid for the grade. In my opinion it's borderline on the low side.

PCGS and CAC have seen the coin in hand. Have you? Or the OP?

I don't need to. The lack of detail is evident in the photograph.

ChrisH821 · October 29, 2021 8:18PM

What is it about this coin that offends you so much?

amwldcoin · October 29, 2021 8:19PM

Total lack of originality! Do I really need to tell you that?????

@ChrisH821 said:
What is it about this coin that offends you so much?

MasonG · October 29, 2021 8:23PM

@pmh1nic said:

@MasonG said:

@pmh1nic said:
I think the OP is questioning the idea that the coin is solid for the grade. In my opinion it's borderline on the low side.

PCGS and CAC have seen the coin in hand. Have you? Or the OP?

I don't need to. The lack of detail is evident in the photograph.

Ok- you think you don't need to see a coin in hand to accurately grade it. Got it.

amwldcoin · October 29, 2021 8:29PM

OMG! There are just some things you can't photoshop! I will also say I think that is an honest photo and would give you odds it looks like the pictures!

@MasonG said:

@pmh1nic said:

@MasonG said:

@pmh1nic said:
I think the OP is questioning the idea that the coin is solid for the grade. In my opinion it's borderline on the low side.

PCGS and CAC have seen the coin in hand. Have you? Or the OP?

I don't need to. The lack of detail is evident in the photograph.

Ok- you think you don't need to see a coin in hand to accurately grade it. Got it.

jmlanzaf · October 29, 2021 8:39PM

@pmh1nic said:
I think the OP is questioning the idea that the coin is solid for the grade. In my opinion it's borderline on the low side.

Not according to PCGS photograde.

MasonG · October 29, 2021 8:39PM

@amwldcoin said:
OMG! There are just some things you can't photoshop! I will also say I think that is an honest photo and would give you odds it looks like the pictures!

Ok.

oreville · October 29, 2021 8:40PM

I am a big fan of CAC but in this case I agree with amwldcoins in that PCGS AND CAC blew it on this slab. That being said, CAC gets it wrong 2% of the time which means they get it right 98% of the time and when you multiply that to PCGS getting it right another 96% of the time you get a lot closer to 100% accuracy.

But there are always exceptions. I am sure even JA would agree. Even he would admit he is not perfect.

Project Numismatics · October 29, 2021 8:56PM

@amwldcoin said:
Here ya go!

@J2035 said:

@amwldcoin said:

Coin is cleaned - too many hairlines across the cheek. Ignoring that, it’s a “C” level F12. Pre-1900 weak strike - can’t compare it to a 1914 photo grade. Would help to post the reverse…

I think it just squeaks by as a 12. Detail on eagle’s neck, wings, tail feathers is borderline VG10. I have several VG10s with noticeably more detail.

I’m perfectly comfortable disagreeing with CAC on this one but I can see PCGS 12 (barely).

Don’t feel I really need to see this in hand to reject paying CAC premium though.

braddick · October 29, 2021 9:16PM

That's a DANSCO 7070 typeset FN12 yet I agree it isn't a PCGS/CAC FN12...

Raybo · October 29, 2021 9:38PM

@jmlanzaf said:

@MasonG said:

@mr1874 said:
I don't think so. We think he's objecting to the sticker. Maybe that's our misinterpretation.

I don't think anybody is obligated to agree with CAC. Are they?

The only obligation is to complain about CAC decisions that you don't agree with. Lol

I wonder why he's not objecting to PCGS as well. It's not like CAC did anything but affirm the PCGS grade.

This /\

And it's not like the coin is high dollar in the first place and... nobody's perfect.

VanHalen · October 29, 2021 9:55PM

Better images here: Oops bad link.

Here it is: https://coins.ha.com/itm/barber-half-dollars/1896-s-50c-fine-12-pcgs-cac-pcgs-population-9-108-ngc-census-4-55-mintage-1-140-948-numismedia-wsl-price-for-pr/a/1145-9832.s?hdnJumpToLot=1&x=0&y=0

pmh1nic · October 29, 2021 9:56PM

@MasonG said:

@pmh1nic said:

@MasonG said:

@pmh1nic said:
I think the OP is questioning the idea that the coin is solid for the grade. In my opinion it's borderline on the low side.

PCGS and CAC have seen the coin in hand. Have you? Or the OP?

I don't need to. The lack of detail is evident in the photograph.

Ok- you think you don't need to see a coin in hand to accurately grade it. Got it.

In this case no, I don't need to see the coin in hand. Got it?

mannie gray · October 29, 2021 10:02PM

Not a coin I would buy for problem-free Fine money.

CoinJunkie · October 29, 2021 10:28PM

@pmh1nic said:

@MasonG said:

@pmh1nic said:

@MasonG said:

@pmh1nic said:
I think the OP is questioning the idea that the coin is solid for the grade. In my opinion it's borderline on the low side.

PCGS and CAC have seen the coin in hand. Have you? Or the OP?

I don't need to. The lack of detail is evident in the photograph.

Ok- you think you don't need to see a coin in hand to accurately grade it. Got it.

In this case no, I don't need to see the coin in hand. Got it?

Pavlovian contrarians rarely get it...

MsMorrisine · October 29, 2021 10:30PM

Yeah, polished/cleaned and recolored.

How many more disagrees do you have versus how many agrees?

jmlanzaf · October 30, 2021 4:42AM

@CoinJunkie said:

@pmh1nic said:

@MasonG said:

@pmh1nic said:

@MasonG said:

@pmh1nic said:
I think the OP is questioning the idea that the coin is solid for the grade. In my opinion it's borderline on the low side.

PCGS and CAC have seen the coin in hand. Have you? Or the OP?

I don't need to. The lack of detail is evident in the photograph.

Ok- you think you don't need to see a coin in hand to accurately grade it. Got it.

In this case no, I don't need to see the coin in hand. Got it?

Pavlovian contrarians rarely get it...

But who is the Pavlovian contrarian? The anti-CACer?

This is yet another case of 2 pro grading teams having viewed the coin in hand and agreed on a grade being attacked by people who have only seen a picture. That seems more like the reflexive contrarian position than the people who said that it looks like the photograde image.

fathom · October 30, 2021 4:54AM

Every commercial enterprise has inconsistencies. Some more than others. In this marketplace it has been my experience that CAC is rarely inconsistent, especially compared to the major market makers, stakeholders, TPGs and commercial buyers and sellers.

So to those who specifically call out CAC it evokes a very emotional bias. In any case the marketplace will determine, especially here.

MFeld · October 30, 2021 5:04AM

This is exactly one of the reasons this thread blows for me:

“Posts promoting or bashing other grading companies or services are not allowed.”

cameonut2011 · October 30, 2021 5:07AM

Not a fan.

amwldcoin · October 30, 2021 5:49AM

If people can rave about the good, why shouldn't people be able to talk about the bad and the ugly? Should these types be swept under the rug so people can't learn????

@MFeld said:
This is exactly one of the reasons this thread blows for me:

“Posts promoting or bashing other grading companies or services are not allowed.”

MFeld · October 30, 2021 5:54AM

@amwldcoin said:
If people can rave about the good, why shouldn't people be able to talk about the bad and the ugly? Should these types be swept under the rug so people can't learn????

@MFeld said:
This is exactly one of the reasons this thread blows for me:

“Posts promoting or bashing other grading companies or services are not allowed.”

Because there’s not a rule posted which disallows people raving about the good. If you dislike that so much, perhaps you’d like to propose such a rule to the moderators.

And if your motive was really to help people learn, rather than to bash, you could have easily done so without the bashing,

Should this coin Receive a CAC Sticker?

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