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STOLEN! 1872-CC $5 XF45 NGC CAC & 1943 1C MS68 NGC CAC

SSRSSR Posts: 235 ✭✭✭✭
edited October 28, 2021 8:46AM in U.S. Coin Forum

STOLEN! Please keep an eye out! Very rare.

1872-CC $5 XF45 NGC CAC - cert#5970811-006
1943 1C MS68 NGC CAC - cert#6252622-001

Item was double boxed and sealed shipped via usps express from NV. No identifying marks were used. Package was pilfered whilst in transit before reaching the recipient. Theft likely occurred somewhere between NV-CA. There is an ongoing investigation. Please keep an eye out.

police case has been created, ngc, pcgs and ncic all have been informed and recorded.






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  • CoinJunkieCoinJunkie Posts: 8,772 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That sucks! Hope they turn up at some point.

  • hummingbird_coinshummingbird_coins Posts: 1,228 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It might have been punctured in a machine and the coins subsequently fell out?

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  • ctf_error_coinsctf_error_coins Posts: 15,433 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Excellent photography like is so important in cases like this.

  • goldengolden Posts: 9,854 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That really looks like machine damage to the box.

  • vulcanizevulcanize Posts: 1,408 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Sorry to hear that. Hope it was adequately insured.
    Two coins probably fell out just like this from one of my packages and the post office could not trace it, so they reimbursed me.

    Good luck.

  • SonnyDSonnyD Posts: 190 ✭✭✭

    What type of machine would USPS possibly have that would punch a hole like this?
    Straight edge horizontal cut followed by a vertical tear line....it's been stolen.

    Ounce by ounce the stack grows .

  • WAYNEASWAYNEAS Posts: 6,891 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I am always saddened when theft occurs.
    Your pictures are amazing and identify the 1872 CC coin as a "one" of a kind because of the details shown. The markings should aid in its recovery.
    I hope that the '43 steely is found and returned. From its pictures, I do not see any identifiable markings.
    Wayne

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  • AlexinPAAlexinPA Posts: 1,458 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Sorry for the loss and hoping 1. You get the coins back. or 2. You get total reimbursement. Good luck.

  • JonBrand83JonBrand83 Posts: 488 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Wow, thats horrible! Hoping they are recovered!

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  • ChrisH821ChrisH821 Posts: 6,582 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Damn, expertly taped and everything.
    I wonder if these postal thieves have a way to tell when there's gold in a package... like one of those prospecting metal detectors or similar.

    Collector, occasional seller

  • GoldbullyGoldbully Posts: 17,575 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 28, 2021 1:16PM

    That 1872-CC $5 Liberty is stunning for its grade. Great images!! Hope she’s back in your hands asap!!!

  • vplite99vplite99 Posts: 1,329 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I had several half dollars stolen in the mail probably in Las Vegas. Never recovered.

    Vplite99
  • gonzergonzer Posts: 3,038 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Mechanical damage

  • thefinnthefinn Posts: 2,657 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @SonnyD said:
    What type of machine would USPS possibly have that would punch a hole like this?
    Straight edge horizontal cut followed by a vertical tear line....it's been stolen.

    A forklift.

    thefinn
  • CryptoCrypto Posts: 3,740 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Man that 72cc is a tough coin, sucks no matter how it happened

  • OnlyGoldIsMoneyOnlyGoldIsMoney Posts: 3,390 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I trust only Registered Mail. The thieves know how to make it look like mechanical damage.

  • SonnyDSonnyD Posts: 190 ✭✭✭

    @thefinn said:

    @SonnyD said:
    What type of machine would USPS possibly have that would punch a hole like this?
    Straight edge horizontal cut followed by a vertical tear line....it's been stolen.

    A forklift.

    Trippin' boo!
    This was a surgical strike not some blunt accident. At any rate, whatever the reason hope he gets his coins or money and may the person(s) responsible be struck down and have their ruins smote upon a pile of silver and gold!

    Ounce by ounce the stack grows .

  • JBKJBK Posts: 15,893 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Surgical strike? Who was the surgeon? Maybe the guy who tore out a victim's beating heart during a human sacrifice in "Indiana Jones". ;)

  • SonnyDSonnyD Posts: 190 ✭✭✭

    Damn didn't consider him but now I think he's in on it

    Ounce by ounce the stack grows .

  • pocketpiececommemspocketpiececommems Posts: 5,979 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Not only did you lose but so did the collecting community.

  • santinidollarsantinidollar Posts: 1,056 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I hate to hear about that. I hope it works out well. If they were stolen, I hope the thief enjoys the hospitality of the federal prison system.

  • CatbertCatbert Posts: 7,378 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Hate seeing this. So sorry for all involved.

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  • Cougar1978Cougar1978 Posts: 8,468 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 28, 2021 4:42PM

    I always put labels on my shipments “fragile, please handle with care”

    Idk if machine damage or if they did some surgery. Hope was insured.

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  • pmh1nicpmh1nic Posts: 3,295 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ChrisH821 said:
    Damn, expertly taped and everything.
    I wonder if these postal thieves have a way to tell when there's gold in a package... like one of those prospecting metal detectors or similar.

    I wonder also. You wouldn't think a thief just randomly break open boxes.

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  • fathomfathom Posts: 1,781 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That type of shipment needs priority registered mail.

  • Steven59Steven59 Posts: 9,077 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @fathom said:
    That type of shipment needs priority registered mail.

    True - Express only means FAST -

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  • Herb_THerb_T Posts: 1,755 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Registered mail, insured for the value of the contents. Takes longer to get there but there are sign offs as it goes.

  • jdimmickjdimmick Posts: 9,729 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Op said double boxed, machine damage and fall out didnt happen here, it was stolen no doubt

  • koynekwestkoynekwest Posts: 10,048 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks like damage from a machine to me. PO must check with their claims dept.

  • d9lowed9lowe Posts: 312 ✭✭✭✭

    Why would anyone trust the USPS these days to deliver coins with that much value??? I just dont get it.

  • koynekwestkoynekwest Posts: 10,048 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Do you think anyone who works at the Post Office isn't watched? I used to work there and I know they are closely watched. I've been mailing and receiving packages thru the USPS for 50 years and have only had one go missing, and that was 25 years ago.

  • derrybderryb Posts: 37,211 ✭✭✭✭✭

    any info on the shipping label that would have attracted the thief's attention?

    Repetition of ignorance is ignorance raised to the power two.

  • Cougar1978Cougar1978 Posts: 8,468 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 29, 2021 10:40AM

    That’s 17k worth coins lost. Hope u have insurance. Something like that I would sell at a show from my table or to special investor customer appointment only.

    Even shipping $500 coins makes me nervous. So big ticket material I prefer sell at show from my table cash n carry. I do take slabbed material as trade in at around 20pct back of CDN bid (if need for inventory). Been thru hassle of USPS insurance filing no desire repeat.

    We are in tough times, people are going hungry, homeless while the rich get richer - a super expensive package like that is a prime target.

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  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 14,027 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @d9lowe said:
    Why would anyone trust the USPS these days to deliver coins with that much value??? I just dont get it.

    While not the case here, with respect to the option of registered mail, what do you think is safer?

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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,436 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MFeld said:

    @d9lowe said:
    Why would anyone trust the USPS these days to deliver coins with that much value??? I just dont get it.

    While not the case here, with respect to the option of registered mail, what do you think is safer?

    Nothing is safer than registered mail. When the Hope Diamond was sent to the Smithsonian Institution, a feasibility study was performed to determine the safest way to send it. It was determined that registered mail was the way to go and that's what was used. Just make sure that's it's fully insured.

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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 29, 2021 4:21AM

    That is terrible. Major damage to the package, may have been done to conceal an obvious theft. That being said, I wonder how they knew there was valuable items inside? Does the Post Office have X-ray like TSA? I have always used Registered Mail when shipping high value items. Cheers, RickO

  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,436 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ricko said:
    That is terrible. Major damage to the package, may have been done to conceal an obvious threat. That being said, I wonder how they knew there was valuable items inside? Does the Post Office have X-ray like TSA? I have always used Registered Mail when shipping high value items. Cheers, RickO

    Threat or theft? Agree that it doesn't look like the type of package that a rare coin would be shipped in. Does the box have a label that would indicate the insured value of the package?

    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @PerryHall.... Thanks, I edited it....Mind was thinking something else while fingers were typing. :p Cheers, RickO

  • emeraldATVemeraldATV Posts: 4,734 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Driver Wanted ?
    It will turn up. Right ? !

  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Regarding the 1943 cent:

    It may be the key in recovering both coins. It is a coin that, unlike the 1872-CC $5, will lose all its value if cracked out. As a raw coin it is just another common date Unc. steel cent. Because of that, the thief will likely leave it in the holder. Make sure you provide full information on the 1943 cent to everyone you contact and emphasize the slab number. If a dealer spots this coin coming in the chances are the seller will know where the 1872-CC $5 is as well (he may well be trying to sell it at the same time.)

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  • koynekwestkoynekwest Posts: 10,048 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Why wasn't a package of this value sent via registered mail?

  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,436 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @291fifth said:
    Regarding the 1943 cent:

    It may be the key in recovering both coins. It is a coin that, unlike the 1872-CC $5, will lose all its value if cracked out. As a raw coin it is just another common date Unc. steel cent. Because of that, the thief will likely leave it in the holder. Make sure you provide full information on the 1943 cent to everyone you contact and emphasize the slab number. If a dealer spots this coin coming in the chances are the seller will know where the 1872-CC $5 is as well (he may well be trying to sell it at the same time.)

    You are assuming that the thief is knowledgeable about coins.

    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
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  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @PerryHall said:

    @291fifth said:
    Regarding the 1943 cent:

    It may be the key in recovering both coins. It is a coin that, unlike the 1872-CC $5, will lose all its value if cracked out. As a raw coin it is just another common date Unc. steel cent. Because of that, the thief will likely leave it in the holder. Make sure you provide full information on the 1943 cent to everyone you contact and emphasize the slab number. If a dealer spots this coin coming in the chances are the seller will know where the 1872-CC $5 is as well (he may well be trying to sell it at the same time.)

    You are assuming that the thief is knowledgeable about coins.

    It is a possibility that the thief knows about coins but by no means a certainty. If he/she does know about coins they will be unlikely to crack out the 1943 Steel Cent.

    All glory is fleeting.
  • ms70ms70 Posts: 13,956 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @koynekwest said:
    Why wasn't a package of this value sent via registered mail?

    I obviously don't know in this case but I've gotten higher value coins sent express from companies that I would think carry their own insurance. Maybe the theory is the faster it's out of the shipper's hands the better.

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  • d9lowed9lowe Posts: 312 ✭✭✭✭

    @MFeld said:

    @d9lowe said:
    Why would anyone trust the USPS these days to deliver coins with that much value??? I just dont get it.

    While not the case here, with respect to the option of registered mail, what do you think is safer?

    One on one meeting. If too old, worried about covid or whatever, have a trusted partner meet with buyer via car or plane. The costs would be a sliver VS value.
    Dropping off coins in a box to todays post office is a risk, especially coins worth 5 figures.

  • CryptoCrypto Posts: 3,740 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @PerryHall said:

    @MFeld said:

    @d9lowe said:
    Why would anyone trust the USPS these days to deliver coins with that much value??? I just dont get it.

    While not the case here, with respect to the option of registered mail, what do you think is safer?

    Nothing is safer than registered mail. When the Hope Diamond was sent to the Smithsonian Institution, a feasibility study was performed to determine the safest way to send it. It was determined that registered mail was the way to go and that's what was used. Just make sure that's it's fully insured.

    I suspect you are thinking of the DeYoung Red Diamond which they sent by mail.

  • amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The Hope diamond was shipped by Registered Mail.

    @Crypto said:

    @PerryHall said:

    @MFeld said:

    @d9lowe said:
    Why would anyone trust the USPS these days to deliver coins with that much value??? I just dont get it.

    While not the case here, with respect to the option of registered mail, what do you think is safer?

    Nothing is safer than registered mail. When the Hope Diamond was sent to the Smithsonian Institution, a feasibility study was performed to determine the safest way to send it. It was determined that registered mail was the way to go and that's what was used. Just make sure that's it's fully insured.

    I suspect you are thinking of the DeYoung Red Diamond which they sent by mail.

  • CryptoCrypto Posts: 3,740 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I hadn't heard that but they must have just copied what they did for the red diamond which they didn't even use insurance so not to draw attention to it.

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