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King Farouk's Wonderful Coins!

ZoinsZoins Posts: 33,811 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited December 29, 2023 3:08PM in U.S. Coin Forum

When I think of the most awesome of patterns, the 1877 Half Union is at the top of the list because of it's denomination and size.

While the gold ones are now owned by all of us in the National Numismatic Collection, some gilt ones are available to the collecting public with a census here:

https://uspatterns.stores.yahoo.net/j1549p1722.html

Here's the 1877 Half Union in gilt copper owned by King Farouk.

What a gorgeous piece!

This used to be a PCGS PR63.


It was upgraded to NGC PF63+.

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  • LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,244 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Pretty cool, but not sure it's the King of Patterns.

    I'd like to see "Deo Est Gloria" instead of IGWT on the reverse. Seems more appropriate for a 1877 pattern.

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  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 33,811 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 24, 2021 6:06PM

    @Lakesammman said:
    Pretty cool, but not sure it's the King of Patterns.

    I'd like to see "Deo Est Gloria" instead of IGWT on the reverse. Seems more appropriate for a 1877 pattern.

    Deo Est Gloria seems appropriate for 1879 given the Stellas. Is it used on prominent 1877 patterns?

  • yosclimberyosclimber Posts: 4,543 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 24, 2021 6:20PM

    The PCGS "100 Greatest U.S. Coins" Registry Set has the half union as the 3rd highest pattern:

    #7 1907 Double Eagle Pattern Judd 1776 Proof

    #11 1872 Amazonian Set Proof

    (photo of J-1549 Gilt)
    #13 1877 "Half Union" Fifty Dollar (Type One or Two) Proof
    https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/famous-u-s-coins/famous-u-s-coins/100-greatest-u-s-coins/composition/1576

    Given that the design is very similar to the regular $20, I agree the J-1776 and Amazonians are more interesting.

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 33,811 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 25, 2021 2:06AM

    @yosclimber said:
    The PCGS "100 Greatest U.S. Coins" Registry Set has the half union as the 3rd highest pattern:
    #7 1907 Double Eagle Pattern Judd 1776 Proof
    #11 1872 Amazonian Set Proof
    #13 1877 "Half Union" Fifty Dollar (Type One or Two) Proof
    https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/famous-u-s-coins/famous-u-s-coins/100-greatest-u-s-coins/composition/1576

    Given that the design is very similar to the regular $20, I agree the J-1776 and Amazonians are more interesting.

    Great point! Of course, everyone can have their own ranking methods. I can see how you focus on the design but to me patterns include denomination, for which this one is hard to beat.

    Here are my thoughts:

    1. I like the half union because it's a larger, unused denomination, something others, like the J-1776, don't have. The J-1776 is nice but is using an existing denomination and used designs. As a pattern, the design is less interesting to me because it's used on the Eagle and Double Eagle coins.
    2. Regarding the Amazonian set, I don't generally consider an entire set when ranking individual specimens. And while the Amazonian double eagle design is interesting... I'll leave it at that....
    3. It would be great to have relative sized photos ;)

    Nothing wrong with your ranking or thinking. The above is just mine.

  • yosclimberyosclimber Posts: 4,543 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The $50 denomination is available in the Pan-Pac and the California Assay Office octagonals.

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 33,811 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 24, 2021 6:16PM

    @yosclimber said:
    The $50 denomination is available in the Pan-Pac and the California Assay Office octagonals.

    Useful to note, but neither are standard issue coins, for which this is a pattern for.

    Pan Pac is a commem and came much later.

    Assay octagonals are basically bullion bars.

  • CryptoCrypto Posts: 3,343 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Zoins said:

    @yosclimber said:
    The $50 denomination is available in the Pan-Pac and the California Assay Office octagonals.

    Useful to note, but neither are standard issue coins, for which this is a pattern for.

    Pan Pac is a commem and came much later.

    Assay octagonals are basically bullion bars.

    Thin line between commemoratives and standard issues. Currency is currency when issued. Even the modem bullion with their fictitious face values aren’t the same as the 50$ Pan Pacs as they were issued to currency standards for content

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 33,811 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 25, 2021 2:05AM

    @Crypto said:

    @Zoins said:

    @yosclimber said:
    The $50 denomination is available in the Pan-Pac and the California Assay Office octagonals.

    Useful to note, but neither are standard issue coins, for which this is a pattern for.

    Pan Pac is a commem and came much later.

    Assay octagonals are basically bullion bars.

    Thin line between commemoratives and standard issues. Currency is currency when issued. Even the modem bullion with their fictitious face values aren’t the same as the 50$ Pan Pacs as they were issued to currency standards for content

    The Pan Pac slugs are somewhat similar to modern clad half dollar commemoratives as their metal content is similar to those issued for circulation purposes, but were issued with a commemorative price premium. The 1915 slugs were sold for twice their face value and gold content, at $100 a piece.

  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 32,014 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Aside: I wouldn’t call a panpac a slug

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  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 33,811 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 24, 2021 6:50PM

    @MsMorrisine said:
    Aside: I wouldn’t call a panpac a slug

    Why not? Is half union better?

  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks more like a Morgan design than Barber.

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  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 32,014 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It’s just the association of the bullion octagonal as slugs.

    I’d call them the panpac round or panpac octagonal

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  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 33,811 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MsMorrisine said:
    It’s just the association of the bullion octagonal as slugs.

    Was the term slug used for any denomination other than $50?

    I’d call them the panpac round or panpac octagonal

    It would be nice to use a term that denoted denomination like eagle or double eagle. If slug doesn't fit the bill, half union could work.

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 33,811 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Wow! I just noticed that Mike @Byers sold the top pop NGC PF64+ CAC Simpson-Byers specimen a while back!

    More on MikeByers.com: https://mikebyers.com/1964000-001.html

  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 33,364 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Believe or not, when I went to my first large coin shows in New York City in the early 1970s, there was a coin dealer who had one of these pieces in his case for sale. The piece was far beyond my pay grade at the time, but there is was sitting in his case as a featured coin.

    Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Collectors may well debate terms and beauty of these gold specimens. For me, they are just works of coin art. I like them all. Cheers, RickO

  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 33,364 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Zoins said:

    @MsMorrisine said:
    It’s just the association of the bullion octagonal as slugs.

    Was the term slug used for any denomination other than $50?

    I’d call them the panpac round or panpac octagonal

    It would be nice to use a term that denoted denomination like eagle or double eagle. If slug doesn't fit the bill, half union could work.

    These coins were called “half unions.” The “union”, or $100 gold piece, never got beyond the concept phase, but there were plans for it.

    Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 33,811 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BillJones said:
    Believe or not, when I went to my first large coin shows in New York City in the early 1970s, there was a coin dealer who had one of these pieces in his case for sale. The piece was far beyond my pay grade at the time, but there is was sitting in his case as a featured coin.

    That's really amazing to see. Definitely a treat and something to remember :+1:

  • ByersByers Posts: 1,404 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Zions- that $50 Half Union pattern was one of my favorite patterns that I owned.

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  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 33,811 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Here's another coin from King Farouk's collection, the single 1866 No Motto Dollar available:

    1866 No Motto Dollar, PCGS PR63+ CAC, Ex - Snowdon-Woodin-Boyd-Green-Newman-Farouk-duPont-Simpson

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