Miss Graded Drape Bust Dollar
cmendez
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Sent in my 1800 Drape Bust Dollar a few years ago came back in a body bag Cleaned OK. Sent in last month online it said Coin Genuine Damaged, as you know i'm upset but that's life looked at the picture online cert#43027554 coin looks great. Coin comes in the mail open box and Lable Reads coin Repaired. First it's Cleaned, then it's Damaged, and then it's Repair, make up you choice ? What to do next oh boy the life of a coin collector high class problems i guess!
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The coin is obviously cleaned.
In addition, the damage probably refers to it having been whizzed. It was cleaned by whizzing.
Thanks for the quick response Cleaning yes, the coin is clean looking not a heavy cleaning to say its damaged hurt but got to live and learn, but repair come on, OK let's hear it where do you see repairs ....thanks I bought the coin years ago and it was the classic grey you see on Bust Dollars and it toned some over the years and have seen lots of Bust Dollars in my day still a keeper, still learning that's the fun of collecting lesson learned.
Well there certainly is something going on at the right side of the reverse - just can't tell exactly what it is from the picture. Maybe that's the TPG's "repair" ?
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Yup. A lot going on around the "A" in AMERICA, also in the rim area between the "I" and "C" in AMERICA. All part of the tuition most of us pay.
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Enjoy it. Don't worry about all that. Just look at it for what it is. If you cannot enjoy it. Sell it. But stop torturing yourself. This is supposed to be fun.....
coin has been repaired, smoothed and cleaned.
Most of the time , the grading services just choose one of the net graded attributes, vs listing all the things wrong on the label/coding.
Those are clash mark if is known as the shooting star some clash trough the O and others through the F, look it up in the book by M. H. Bolender here is an example cert#38741557 an XF45 version so there is alot going on there but it's from the Die's mentioned in the book pg 57 line 18. Dies B-12
Many times there's a few things wrong but the grading service labels only have enough room to mention one problem.
A Bust Dollar with light cleaning will usually straight grade. But any coin that has been tooled or repaired will be bagged. Irrespective of the damage mentioned above, this coin just doesn't look right Maybe that what JDimmick meant by the coin being smoothed.
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Thank you AMRC i will enjoy it, it was my first Bust Dollar and i bought it raw for $1500 dollar which was alot of money for me back then and still is, my collection is growing and the growing pains are less thanks for the encouragement
still a nice historic coin I wouldn't sneak out the next morning
A truly historic coin...All Draped Bust Dollars are rare. Most have been cleaned in some form so don't feel like you are an exception. It's a cool, awesome coin, and something that the vast majority of people will never own. That coin was made in 1800 for God's sakes! Amazing.
How do you know that she was unmarried when she graded your Bust Dollar?
Looks like it may have been tooled to sharpen the 'AM' in AMERICA on the reverse.
You say the photo "looks great". I'd say "looks smoothed"....... not an original look at all.
We've all been there. I'd recommend availing yourself of the professional opinions of others (coins already graded & slabbed) until your knowledge & experience are up to the task.
OP coin - apparently smoothed / whizzed, though I've seen worse.
EF comparison coin, with same clashes at OF AM and tail feathers. Has damage at R of LIBERTY.
Sides of AM are sharp on both - not tooled on the OP coin.
I can't confirm or deny there is a repair on the OP coin, from the photos.
Too bad they were not more specific about where the repair was.
Would I prefer a pristine coin that hasn’t been cleaned or tooled? Of course. But those coins with the details of your coin are out of my price range. If I could get this coin at a discount I would not be concerned at all about the cleaning and tooling issues. It’s an example that has a lot of detail and I’d enjoy it in spite of the negative issues.
I don’t think they label a coin as “damaged”, as a result of whizzing or cleaning.
See PCGS no-grade codes 92, 94 and 98 from this link:
https://www.pcgsasia.com/standards?l=en
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The coin has a smoothed look to it, that is very obvious on the obverse. Here's an 1800 that has straight graded and is among the finest known of rare variety, B-20. The rare variety part does not matter. I've posted this to give you an idea as to how a better grade coin should look.
I stand corrected. As others have said, it looks like the "A" in AMERICA has been worked on.
Too bad about the various issues…apart from that, it’s a very meaty coin.
My 1800 dollar has issues too - some rim dings. A dealer friend had just gotten it in, along with a nicely toned classic head quarter eagle, and made me a package deal I couldn’t refuse. The look was so original I didn’t notice the rims.
Actually, the bust looks tooled to me, at least on my phone.
PCGS got it right. I'm not sure why the OP is complaining.
The cleaning and whizzing may have caused the damage, and then an attempt to repair further killed the coin
In my post above, I showed the first A in AMERICA is sharp on both coins,
so I do not believe it was tooled.
Was my post clear?
Ex jewelry?
Repair could be on the rims.
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Something for sure going on at the 2 o'clock area of reverse. Can't say for sure, but probably where the damage rejection originated. Not sure if it could be strike issue or pmd or repair, but something here.
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Looks like LDS..shattered, eroded die.
Also, flow lines or whiz lines? A bit of both I surmise..
I think that @yosclimber pointed
out that there is part of the obverse design showing in this area, due to die clashing. I assume that the comparison piece posted is the same BB variety.
Notice that on both sets of images of the die marriage there are metal flow lines all around the edge on both the reverse and obverse.
Along with the clashing and die crack, this late die state erosion makes that whole area posted above very weird and interesting looking.. I very much doubt that is where the repair is.
The metal flow could also be mistaken for whizzing, although it does look like its been smoothed..
Such a cool variety!
If the second coin in the yosclimber post was for sale in a discounted details holder, I would snap that up instantly!
There is also some damage around the bottom of the tail feathers, and possible retooling there. Cheers, RickO
Thanks for all the feedback the coin is a keeper was my first purchase and the center piece of my collection, i now have six Draped Bust Dollars in my collection, all in PCGS Gold Shield Holders 1795 Flowing Hair VF25, 1800 XF Details, 1801 VF35 Gold Shield,1802 VF25 Gold Shield and 1803 VF25 looking for a 1796,1797,1798,1799 in VF to complete my basic Bust Collection and then work on getting the 1795 bust, 1798 small eagle to fill out the collection living the dream keep collection my friends...
As you work toward filling out your collection of Draped Bust Dollars avoid any more "problem" coins such as the 1800. As can be seen from the responses in this thread, problem coins are just that, problems. When it comes time to sell the problem gets even worse. The coins you seek are going to be expensive. Be very selective and look for eye-appealing examples of whatever grades you can afford.
Those lines are from when the coin was struck