1709 Freising taler struck during seat of Johann Franz Eckner von Kapfing und Lichtenec (1649-1727). One of 3 talers issued by this bishopric. Augsburg mint, Dav-2247.
PSA: Don't believe everything you read. This the scarce one taler, not the extremely rare 1 1/4 taler as slabbed. Coin is no longer in the holder. Not throwing stones, understandable data entry mistake, it happens. A buyer, IMO, does have some responsibility to know what they are paying for.
@Que_sai_je - The 1 1/4 shows a weight of 35.8g. Is the weight the only differentiator between the two? Identifying the mistake is a very tricky endeavor assuming diameter is the same and the taler is housed in the oversized slab.
1795 Fulda taler (DAV-2265A). One year type issued in the final years of the bishopric (dissolved by Napoleon in 1802). PCGS MS-63. Flat/weak strikes are typical for the issue.
Corvey taler dated 1723. I've been on the hunt for a piece from Corvey for quite a long time....decent examples are harder to find than one might expect. The abbey has an interesting history dating to the early 9th century near the time that bishoprics Hildesheim, Halberstadt, and Paderborn were established. Corvey’s first abbot, Adalard of Corbie, was a cousin of Charlemagne. Relics of St Vitus (pictured on the obv) were gifted to the young abbey in 836 from abbey of St Denis near Paris. NGC EF-40. DAV-2199.
This coin is a newp from NYINC that I once chased years ago when SB auctioned off the world collection of John Whitney Walter. Previous to that, he had an ancients collection and a highly specialized US collection of 1796-dated die varieties (Mr. 1796 collection).
He’s also a past member of the NY Numismatic Club.
A rather obscure taler from Abbey of Murbach and Luders in upper Alsace, struck during the seat of Archduke Leopold Wilhelm of Austria (younger brother of Emperor Ferdinand III). The taler was struck circa 1630 (no date) in the Ensisheim mint. PCGS AU-58. KM-24; DAV-5617B.
Despite not being a member of the clergy, the Archduke held various Prince-Bishoprics within the Holy Roman Empire to provide him an income: Halberstadt (1628–1648), Passau (1625–1662), Breslau (1656–1662), Olmütz (1637–1662) and Strasbourg (1626–1662). He became the Grand Master of the Teutonic Order in 1641. Family connections certainly helped back in the day.....
The Murbach abbey and monastery existed for over 1,000 years before it was sacked during French Revolution in1789 and dissolved not long after.
Just had this one graded. The grade surprised me although it is a beautiful coin - like many of this type the face is just beat up mush (see thread here!). Clear 3/2 overdate. Looks like they had a lot of trouble with the letters on the obverse, too. Lots and lots of luster. Top pop!
Added the elusive 1732 Mainz 1/4 taler from the January Heritage auction to compliment the 1/2 and 1 talers I have of the same date. Reported mintage of 200 per denomination makes this a challenging run to assemble. The 3 pictured below are the only examples graded by both NGC and PCGS. Still searching for the 1/8 taler denomination.
1732 Mainz 1/4 schautaler
Commemorates the death of archbishop of Mainz Philipp Karl von Eltz-Kempenich. Features St. Martin on horseback.
Time to bump this thread with a new addition - 1/2 taler from Brunswick-Wolfenbuttel. The submission also included a 1/4 taler of same date and design. Anybody else with taler additions in the last 6 months?
I really like the Swedish occupation talker… congrats. Just curious if you bought it raw or already graded? Not that it makes a difference, but sometimes grading expectations can be educational.
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I really like the Swedish occupation talker… congrats. Just curious if you bought it raw or already graded? Not that it makes a difference, but sometimes grading expectations can be educational.
@worldcoinguy said:
Munster 1688 sede vacante taler from CNG auction in Sept. This is a tough one to find in a straight grade.
Fantastic coin, I acquired the 1781 würzburg thaler in the same sale. You maybe know this, but your coin come from the Brand (1861-1926) sale at Leu 67 in 1996.
Great coins form the Bruun collection, did you look any of the Bruun coins before the NCS conservation? Would be interesting to look the genuine patina from the Bruun collection, I already have a list from his collection i'm going to bid on, but i'm turned off from the blast white look...
@worldcoinguy said:
Munster 1688 sede vacante taler from CNG auction in Sept. This is a tough one to find in a straight grade.
Fantastic coin, I acquired the 1781 würzburg thaler in the same sale. You maybe know this, but your coin come from the Brand (1861-1926) sale at Leu 67 in 1996.
Thank you for pointing out the Brand pedigree on the Munster taler; I was completely unaware. That auction catalogue is amazing.
The 1781 Wurzburg you won in the same auction has a nice look to it.
@worldcoinguy said:
Munster 1688 sede vacante taler from CNG auction in Sept. This is a tough one to find in a straight grade.
Fantastic coin, I acquired the 1781 würzburg thaler in the same sale. You maybe know this, but your coin come from the Brand (1861-1926) sale at Leu 67 in 1996.
Thank you for pointing out the Brand pedigree on the Munster taler; I was completely unaware. That auction catalogue is amazing.
The 1781 Wurzburg you won in the same auction has a nice look to it.
Thank you, it also come from the Brand catalogue in 1988 as lot 2824 with "J. Schulman 11.6.1923, 488". "Alexander Christopher" seems to have purchased from Leu, since more Brand thalers are comming out in the new Triton sale.
It's a shame people no care for good provenance on "modern" coins, Virgil .M Brand is such an important figure in numismatics. When Lars Emil Bruun met Brand in Chicago during his lifetime, he referred to him as "the man they call the greatest coin collector in the world".
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Wouldn't you know it? I get excited over a floating bird and it's a pop 1/0
1709 Freising taler struck during seat of Johann Franz Eckner von Kapfing und Lichtenec (1649-1727). One of 3 talers issued by this bishopric. Augsburg mint, Dav-2247.
PSA: Don't believe everything you read. This the scarce one taler, not the extremely rare 1 1/4 taler as slabbed. Coin is no longer in the holder. Not throwing stones, understandable data entry mistake, it happens. A buyer, IMO, does have some responsibility to know what they are paying for.
@Que_sai_je - The 1 1/4 shows a weight of 35.8g. Is the weight the only differentiator between the two? Identifying the mistake is a very tricky endeavor assuming diameter is the same and the taler is housed in the oversized slab.
1795 Fulda taler (DAV-2265A). One year type issued in the final years of the bishopric (dissolved by Napoleon in 1802). PCGS MS-63. Flat/weak strikes are typical for the issue.
Any new Taler acquisitions out there?
My current "Box of 20"
Corvey taler dated 1723. I've been on the hunt for a piece from Corvey for quite a long time....decent examples are harder to find than one might expect. The abbey has an interesting history dating to the early 9th century near the time that bishoprics Hildesheim, Halberstadt, and Paderborn were established. Corvey’s first abbot, Adalard of Corbie, was a cousin of Charlemagne. Relics of St Vitus (pictured on the obv) were gifted to the young abbey in 836 from abbey of St Denis near Paris. NGC EF-40. DAV-2199.
How about a 2/3 Thaler? 1693 Henneberg.
One of mine, don't collect it.
Peace.
Here's a new acquisition of mine:
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@Stella,
This coin is a newp from NYINC that I once chased years ago when SB auctioned off the world collection of John Whitney Walter. Previous to that, he had an ancients collection and a highly specialized US collection of 1796-dated die varieties (Mr. 1796 collection).
He’s also a past member of the NY Numismatic Club.
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@EVillageProwler Neat piece and a neat story! Pretty cool.
A rather obscure taler from Abbey of Murbach and Luders in upper Alsace, struck during the seat of Archduke Leopold Wilhelm of Austria (younger brother of Emperor Ferdinand III). The taler was struck circa 1630 (no date) in the Ensisheim mint. PCGS AU-58. KM-24; DAV-5617B.
Despite not being a member of the clergy, the Archduke held various Prince-Bishoprics within the Holy Roman Empire to provide him an income: Halberstadt (1628–1648), Passau (1625–1662), Breslau (1656–1662), Olmütz (1637–1662) and Strasbourg (1626–1662). He became the Grand Master of the Teutonic Order in 1641. Family connections certainly helped back in the day.....
The Murbach abbey and monastery existed for over 1,000 years before it was sacked during French Revolution in1789 and dissolved not long after.
Just had this one graded. The grade surprised me although it is a beautiful coin - like many of this type the face is just beat up mush (see thread here!). Clear 3/2 overdate. Looks like they had a lot of trouble with the letters on the obverse, too. Lots and lots of luster. Top pop!
My current "Box of 20"
I am no longer thaler-less now!
Does this count?
My modest contribution
I'm BACK!!! Used to be Billet7 on the old forum.
@SimonW Close enough for me!
My current "Box of 20"
Added the elusive 1732 Mainz 1/4 taler from the January Heritage auction to compliment the 1/2 and 1 talers I have of the same date. Reported mintage of 200 per denomination makes this a challenging run to assemble. The 3 pictured below are the only examples graded by both NGC and PCGS. Still searching for the 1/8 taler denomination.
1732 Mainz 1/4 schautaler
Commemorates the death of archbishop of Mainz Philipp Karl von Eltz-Kempenich. Features St. Martin on horseback.
Those are really cool @worldcoinguy
This is new, not a full Thaler, can I have 2/3 of the credit? 😂
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@SimonW - you can never go wrong with a wildman. I like the deep tone on that one.
@SimonW That counts in my book!
Here is another fractional Wildman to go with yours:
Time to bump this thread with a new addition - 1/2 taler from Brunswick-Wolfenbuttel. The submission also included a 1/4 taler of same date and design. Anybody else with taler additions in the last 6 months?
It's been slim pickings for me this year, but this should be on its way soon to me.
My current "Box of 20"
Thats a real beauty - very attractive!
Picked this up and it arrived today. Lot of luster left, and nice eye appeal.
Compare this St. Stephen to the one on my Passau Taler earlier in this thread. Palm frond and stones in both!
My current "Box of 20"
It looks like a Halberstadt issue. I'm guessing perhaps DAV-6328? That is an outstanding taler - congrats!
Wow, nice coins everyone. I'm drooling
I really need to get me a nice Thaler once I have the money
Peace
I believe it is 5345... pretty similar though... and yes from Halberstadt.
Pretty soft strike... but best I can tell there isn't much wear at all.
My current "Box of 20"
Munster 1688 sede vacante taler from CNG auction in Sept. This is a tough one to find in a straight grade.
Not really a Thaler, but arguably close:
Amazing look to it.
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I really like the Swedish occupation talker… congrats. Just curious if you bought it raw or already graded? Not that it makes a difference, but sometimes grading expectations can be educational.
Experience the World through Numismatics...it's more than you can imagine.
@Zohar - great coins as always.
Anyone know when the next Bruun sale will be?
My current "Box of 20"
Bought it raw on a CNG sale
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Congrats… well done
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Love seeing more Thalers! Thanks to all for posting.
Here is one of mine:
Fantastic coin, I acquired the 1781 würzburg thaler in the same sale. You maybe know this, but your coin come from the Brand (1861-1926) sale at Leu 67 in 1996.
Great coins form the Bruun collection, did you look any of the Bruun coins before the NCS conservation? Would be interesting to look the genuine patina from the Bruun collection, I already have a list from his collection i'm going to bid on, but i'm turned off from the blast white look...
Thank you for pointing out the Brand pedigree on the Munster taler; I was completely unaware. That auction catalogue is amazing.
The 1781 Wurzburg you won in the same auction has a nice look to it.
Thank you, it also come from the Brand catalogue in 1988 as lot 2824 with "J. Schulman 11.6.1923, 488". "Alexander Christopher" seems to have purchased from Leu, since more Brand thalers are comming out in the new Triton sale.
It's a shame people no care for good provenance on "modern" coins, Virgil .M Brand is such an important figure in numismatics. When Lars Emil Bruun met Brand in Chicago during his lifetime, he referred to him as "the man they call the greatest coin collector in the world".
Sigismund Franz, Thaler 1665, Hall
Not @Zohar level, but still pretty nice!
My current "Box of 20"
Very nice indeed!
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