@Cougar1978 said:
The OP 63 Peace Dollar is a common, environment damaged, ugly coin. I don’t care what CAC thinks about it or anybody else. Throw it back in the bargain box lol.
The Seated $ is an ugly coin possibly deserves a details grade. The sticker on it means nothing to me. Send it in for conservation? I question if they would even offer 40% TPG MV if it was shopped around the bourse.
We've got multiple professionals who have seen the Seated $ in hand and who believe it deserves a straight grade. You have not seen it in person and disagree. Hmmmm... whom should I believe?
I agree and disagree with you with regards to ebay. Auction for anything is a gamble on ebay, but fixed price finds buyers that don't even look at Heritage, Stacks, GC, etc.. I'm not talking about chump change coins either! There's no gamble with a fixed price, you sell it for what you want or don't sell it!
Thank you. It sounds as if I misunderstood the point you were trying to prove. I thought you were offering the listing to prove that coins can bring strong prices on eBay. And of course, many do, while many others don’t.
Thank you. I am merely trying to explain things as viewed from a "possible" 16 year old young numismatist's perspective because the next generation is the future of the hobby.
The reason I say "possible" is because right now he is more interested in making money off of it than collecting because he loves to turn around a purchase to flip and make a tidy profit
He and I get into similar discussions and can very well see the angle approached from. Just wanted to share it with the old guard that being rigid and deeply entrenched in the past is not going to help nor save the situation and will end up just like what happened to philately.
Edited to add Forbes article and a dealer's write up links to draw paralles. The much needed shift in approach to thinking outside the box is required NOW. Incidentally my son would NOT touch with a barge pole the CAC stickered peace coin which is the main theme of the thread.
No one is a greater fan of ebay than I. I've done more than 75,000 transactions valued at over $2 million. But there are coins I would immediately send to Heritage and not even think about putting on ebay. If you think you are saving 20% on those coins, I can safely say you are actually losing 20% or more. But you simply refuse to understand that.
It has nothing to do with old guard, Sears nonsense that you keep spewing.
When the value added is more than the cost, only a fool refuses to pay it.
@amwldcoin said:
I agree and disagree with you with regards to ebay. Auction for anything is a gamble on ebay, but fixed price finds buyers that don't even look at Heritage, Stacks, GC, etc.. I'm not talking about chump change coins either! There's no gamble with a fixed price, you sell it for what you want or don't sell it!
Thank you. It sounds as if I misunderstood the point you were trying to prove. I thought you were offering the listing to prove that coins can bring strong prices on eBay. And of course, many do, while many others don’t.
Thank you. I am merely trying to explain things as viewed from a "possible" 16 year old young numismatist's perspective because the next generation is the future of the hobby.
The reason I say "possible" is because right now he is more interested in making money off of it than collecting because he loves to turn around a purchase to flip and make a tidy profit
He and I get into similar discussions and can very well see the angle approached from. Just wanted to share it with the old guard that being rigid and deeply entrenched in the past is not going to help nor save the situation and will end up just like what happened to philately.
Edited to add Forbes article and a dealer's write up links to draw paralles. The much needed shift in approach to thinking outside the box is required NOW. Incidentally my son would NOT touch with a barge pole the CAC stickered peace coin which is the main theme of the thread.
No one is a greater fan of ebay than I. I've done more than 75,000 transactions valued at over $2 million. But there are coins I would immediately send to Heritage and not even think about putting on ebay. If you think you are saving 20% on those coins, I can safely say you are actually losing 20% or more. But you simply refuse to understand that.
It has nothing to do with old guard, Sears nonsense that you keep spewing.
When the value added is more than the cost, only a fool refuses to pay it.
Again, it depends on what it is.
I listed a coin fixed price (MS large cent) on ebay on and off for 6 months at $6000. I sent it to Heritage and it hammered at almost $9000. Well worth the 20%
There are some things that are better in other venues. Works both ways. Some things are better on ebay.
Thank you. It sounds as if I misunderstood the point you were trying to prove. I thought you were offering the listing to prove that coins can bring strong prices on eBay. And of course, many do, while many others don’t.
Thank you. I am merely trying to explain things as viewed from a "possible" 16 year old young numismatist's perspective because the next generation is the future of the hobby.
The reason I say "possible" is because right now he is more interested in making money off of it than collecting because he loves to turn around a purchase to flip and make a tidy profit
He and I get into similar discussions and can very well see the angle approached from. Just wanted to share it with the old guard that being rigid and deeply entrenched in the past is not going to help nor save the situation and will end up just like what happened to philately.
Edited to add Forbes article and a dealer's write up links to draw paralles. The much needed shift in approach to thinking outside the box is required NOW. Incidentally my son would NOT touch with a barge pole the CAC stickered peace coin which is the main theme of the thread.
No one is a greater fan of ebay than I. I've done more than 75,000 transactions valued at over $2 million. But there are coins I would immediately send to Heritage and not even think about putting on ebay. If you think you are saving 20% on those coins, I can safely say you are actually losing 20% or more. But you simply refuse to understand that.
It has nothing to do with old guard, Sears nonsense that you keep spewing.
When the value added is more than the cost, only a fool refuses to pay it.
WOW, that's an average gross of nearly $27 per transaction! To say I'm impressed would be an overstatement.
Thank you. It sounds as if I misunderstood the point you were trying to prove. I thought you were offering the listing to prove that coins can bring strong prices on eBay. And of course, many do, while many others don’t.
Thank you. I am merely trying to explain things as viewed from a "possible" 16 year old young numismatist's perspective because the next generation is the future of the hobby.
The reason I say "possible" is because right now he is more interested in making money off of it than collecting because he loves to turn around a purchase to flip and make a tidy profit
He and I get into similar discussions and can very well see the angle approached from. Just wanted to share it with the old guard that being rigid and deeply entrenched in the past is not going to help nor save the situation and will end up just like what happened to philately.
Edited to add Forbes article and a dealer's write up links to draw paralles. The much needed shift in approach to thinking outside the box is required NOW. Incidentally my son would NOT touch with a barge pole the CAC stickered peace coin which is the main theme of the thread.
No one is a greater fan of ebay than I. I've done more than 75,000 transactions valued at over $2 million. But there are coins I would immediately send to Heritage and not even think about putting on ebay. If you think you are saving 20% on those coins, I can safely say you are actually losing 20% or more. But you simply refuse to understand that.
It has nothing to do with old guard, Sears nonsense that you keep spewing.
When the value added is more than the cost, only a fool refuses to pay it.
WOW, that's an average gross of nearly $27 per transaction! To say I'm impressed would be an overstatement.
I'm the king of $2 stamps and covers.
If I had done 75,000 transactions at an average of $2700, I wouldn't be talking to you peons. Lol
@HalfDimeDude said:
First of all I didn't purchase the specimen, it was taken in a trade as the original owner did not have the cash to complete a deal. It was an great choice to take it as l did state it sold quickly and a profits were made.
I see so many here who want their opions or post respected ....however they do not extend the same courtesy or respect to other members options.You know they have streets call " one way" and thats exactly what I see here....as long as its " your opion" then all should bow down, and not make waves.....! Agree,and respect your post.
Well whether you like it or not, whether you like me , or not doesn't mean squat to me.....but like it or not as long as the rules, and regulations of this forum aren't broken . Then my opions as well as any other other members opion ....should recieve with the same amount of respect regardless!
As it be very easy to troll your post and dump as much garbage as you done here!
But thats what trolls do......and that my friend is MY OPION!
My point was to call out your name calling, which really, is um, well, not nice. BTW, what is 'opion'? That is not a word in the US english dictionary.
Thank you. It sounds as if I misunderstood the point you were trying to prove. I thought you were offering the listing to prove that coins can bring strong prices on eBay. And of course, many do, while many others don’t.
Thank you. I am merely trying to explain things as viewed from a "possible" 16 year old young numismatist's perspective because the next generation is the future of the hobby.
The reason I say "possible" is because right now he is more interested in making money off of it than collecting because he loves to turn around a purchase to flip and make a tidy profit
He and I get into similar discussions and can very well see the angle approached from. Just wanted to share it with the old guard that being rigid and deeply entrenched in the past is not going to help nor save the situation and will end up just like what happened to philately.
Edited to add Forbes article and a dealer's write up links to draw paralles. The much needed shift in approach to thinking outside the box is required NOW. Incidentally my son would NOT touch with a barge pole the CAC stickered peace coin which is the main theme of the thread.
No one is a greater fan of ebay than I. I've done more than 75,000 transactions valued at over $2 million. But there are coins I would immediately send to Heritage and not even think about putting on ebay. If you think you are saving 20% on those coins, I can safely say you are actually losing 20% or more. But you simply refuse to understand that.
It has nothing to do with old guard, Sears nonsense that you keep spewing.
When the value added is more than the cost, only a fool refuses to pay it.
WOW, that's an average gross of nearly $27 per transaction! To say I'm impressed would be an overstatement.
I'm the king of $2 stamps and covers.
If I had done 75,000 transactions at an average of $2700, I wouldn't be talking to you peons. Lol
@jmlanzaf said:
I'm the king of $2 stamps and covers.
Nothing wrong with that. Nobody here looks down on people who don't have a lot to spend on their collections.
Do they?
Coinjunkie might...lol
I've sold 99 cent stamps and $10k coins and everything in between. It's been fun and educational, and profitable, although not probably worth the time I spent. But it keeps me off the streets at night and I'm neither bragging nor complaining.
@HalfDimeDude said:
First of all I didn't purchase the specimen, it was taken in a trade as the original owner did not have the cash to complete a deal. It was an great choice to take it as l did state it sold quickly and a profits were made.
I see so many here who want their opions or post respected ....however they do not extend the same courtesy or respect to other members options.You know they have streets call " one way" and thats exactly what I see here....as long as its " your opion" then all should bow down, and not make waves.....! Agree,and respect your post.
Well whether you like it or not, whether you like me , or not doesn't mean squat to me.....but like it or not as long as the rules, and regulations of this forum aren't broken . Then my opions as well as any other other members opion ....should recieve with the same amount of respect regardless!
As it be very easy to troll your post and dump as much garbage as you done here!
But thats what trolls do......and that my friend is MY OPION!
My point was to call out your name calling, which really, is um, well, not nice. BTW, what is 'opion'? That is not a word in the US english dictionary.
After the concerns on CAC in this thread, especially with fingerprints, I went back through my images of my great CAC coins and low and behold I found a fingerprint. See below in the upper right field on the obverse. The mottled toning you see there, when put in the right orientation to the light, is you guessed it, an old fingerprint. Why did CAC bean this coin (which was originally in a NGC 58 holder and crossed to P58)? There are 20 beaned in 58 though and I would love to compare. Obviously, CAC judged this to be an A or B coin for the grade, it is truly spectacular in hand with the toning that is classic for the coins coming out of the Newman collection and my images don't do it justice. This is a case IMO, where a fingerprint is not necessarily detracting and CAC likely agreed. So each coin, as usual, is, a personal assessment by the TPG's, CAC, and the owner. Fingerprints, have to be evaluated by each and generally I don't like them, even on many CAC - like that in the OP coins, but in this case I accept it as part of the coin bc it does not detract from the amazing eye appeal of the toning that took decades to develop.
@jmlanzaf said:
No one is a greater fan of ebay than I. I've done more than 75,000 transactions valued at over $2 million. But there are coins I would immediately send to Heritage and not even think about putting on ebay. If you think you are saving 20% on those coins, I can safely say you are actually losing 20% or more. But you simply refuse to understand that.
It has nothing to do with old guard, Sears nonsense that you keep spewing.
When the value added is more than the cost, only a fool refuses to pay it.
WOW, that's an average gross of nearly $27 per transaction! To say I'm impressed would be an overstatement.
Exactly.
Am sure more folks see the BS coming out of jmlanzaf but they all perhaps prefer to keep quiet
@jmlanzaf said:
I'm the king of $2 stamps and covers.
If I had done 75,000 transactions at an average of $2700, I wouldn't be talking to you peons. Lol
Nothing wrong with that. Nobody here looks down on people who don't have a lot to spend on their collections.
Do they?
Coinjunkie might...lol
I've sold 99 cent stamps and $10k coins and everything in between. It's been fun and educational, and profitable, although not probably worth the time I spent. But it keeps me off the streets at night and I'm neither bragging nor complaining.
More hubris and hypocrisy with warped explanation because all the tall tales seem to be coming off at the seams.
@CoinJunkie said:
1) Some fingerprints are less obvious than others.
2) Fingerprints on circulated coins are generally more forgivable.
Nonetheless, I don't like them on coins in my collection.
I once picked up a proof 1973 bahamas 10 dollar coin in the raw https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces16333.html and it has a HUGE thumbprint right across, but didn't pay much for it because of that. It was amongst a few other coins from same period that I had purchased sort of like a set.
I think that there is a vast difference between an A and a B coin even by subjective means and as such CAC is of little value. C coins in theory should be an obvious stand out. So whats the point. That's like lumping the 1% elite wealthy with the middle class and calling that 1 thing in the same.
I consider myself a toned peace dollar collector, among other things. And as such I know the majority of people's opinion on a coin like my op. Despite liking it because of my niche interest in everything toned peace. But I know the masses do not consider this an A or B coin due to its terminal crusted toning. Which is why I wagged my finger by posting this thread.
@ACop said:
I think that there is a vast difference between an A and a B coin even by subjective means and as such CAC is of little value. C coins in theory should be an obvious stand out. So whats the point. That's like lumping the 1% elite wealthy with the middle class and calling that 1 thing in the same.
I consider myself a toned peace dollar collector, among other things. And as such I know the majority of people's opinion on a coin like my op. Despite liking it because of my niche interest in everything toned peace. But I know the masses do not consider this an A or B coin due to its terminal crusted toning. Which is why I wagged my finger by posting this thread.
That salvo ought to keep the thread going for another few hundred posts...
@jmlanzaf said:
No one is a greater fan of ebay than I. I've done more than 75,000 transactions valued at over $2 million. But there are coins I would immediately send to Heritage and not even think about putting on ebay. If you think you are saving 20% on those coins, I can safely say you are actually losing 20% or more. But you simply refuse to understand that.
It has nothing to do with old guard, Sears nonsense that you keep spewing.
When the value added is more than the cost, only a fool refuses to pay it.
WOW, that's an average gross of nearly $27 per transaction! To say I'm impressed would be an overstatement.
Exactly.
Am sure more folks see the BS coming out of jmlanzaf but they all perhaps prefer to keep quiet
@jmlanzaf said:
I'm the king of $2 stamps and covers.
If I had done 75,000 transactions at an average of $2700, I wouldn't be talking to you peons. Lol
Nothing wrong with that. Nobody here looks down on people who don't have a lot to spend on their collections.
Do they?
Coinjunkie might...lol
I've sold 99 cent stamps and $10k coins and everything in between. It's been fun and educational, and profitable, although not probably worth the time I spent. But it keeps me off the streets at night and I'm neither bragging nor complaining.
More hubris and hypocrisy with warped explanation because all the tall tales seem to be coming off at the seams.
I didn’t see where he posted any tall tales or warped explanations. Like it or not, he has considerable experience buying, selling and consigning coins. How about trying to make your points without throwing out insults?
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
@jmlanzaf said:
No one is a greater fan of ebay than I. I've done more than 75,000 transactions valued at over $2 million. But there are coins I would immediately send to Heritage and not even think about putting on ebay. If you think you are saving 20% on those coins, I can safely say you are actually losing 20% or more. But you simply refuse to understand that.
It has nothing to do with old guard, Sears nonsense that you keep spewing.
When the value added is more than the cost, only a fool refuses to pay it.
WOW, that's an average gross of nearly $27 per transaction! To say I'm impressed would be an overstatement.
Exactly.
Am sure more folks see the BS coming out of jmlanzaf but they all perhaps prefer to keep quiet
@jmlanzaf said:
I'm the king of $2 stamps and covers.
If I had done 75,000 transactions at an average of $2700, I wouldn't be talking to you peons. Lol
Nothing wrong with that. Nobody here looks down on people who don't have a lot to spend on their collections.
Do they?
Coinjunkie might...lol
I've sold 99 cent stamps and $10k coins and everything in between. It's been fun and educational, and profitable, although not probably worth the time I spent. But it keeps me off the streets at night and I'm neither bragging nor complaining.
More hubris and hypocrisy with warped explanation because all the tall tales seem to be coming off at the seams.
I think your ad hominem attacks prove more than anything I've said. Insults aren't counter arguments.
What hypocrisy? What tall tales? Every dealer, and many collectors, in here could tell similar stores. My experience is neither exceptional nor unusual.
@MFeld said:
I didn’t see where he posted any tall tales or warped explanations. Like it or not, he has considerable experience buying, selling and consigning coins. How about trying to make your points without throwing out insults?
I did. With the eBay example of a D. L. Hansen coin and as rightly noted, some do very well especially with the fixed price BIN and some of the auctions are a hit or miss at times.
As for insults, it is a two way street and I am not going to get down to that level of trading barbs.
@jmlanzaf said:
I think your ad hominem attacks prove more than anything I've said. Insults aren't counter arguments.
What hypocrisy? What tall tales? Every dealer, and many collectors, in here could tell similar stores. My experience is neither exceptional nor unusual.
Well, in the same vein what insult and what counter argument then?
@MFeld said:
I didn’t see where he posted any tall tales or warped explanations. Like it or not, he has considerable experience buying, selling and consigning coins. How about trying to make your points without throwing out insults?
I did. With the eBay example of a D. L. Hansen coin and as rightly noted, some do very well especially with the fixed price BIN and some of the auctions are a hit or miss at times.
As for insults, it is a two way street and I am not going to get down to that level of trading barbs.
He has clearly indicated that he thinks many coins do better on eBay (and others on different venues).
Sorry, but it looks to me as if you’ve already gone down to at least that level of trading barbs.
Edited to add: Here’s one of his comments about eBay: “There are some things that are better in other venues. Works both ways. Some things are better on ebay.”
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
@MFeld said:
He has clearly indicated that he thinks many coins do better on eBay (and others on different venues). I
Sorry, but it looks to me as if you’ve already gone down to at least that level of trading barbs.
No. The essential countering was the percentages as a starting point and since the prior sale price for the MS 65+ D. L Hansen coin that came up on eBay hitherto remains unknown (and you said the data was insufficient fom PCGS and that was all that could be pulled for past three years) everything is in a limbo and I dropped it because this thread was getting pulled in a different direction which was not my aim.
And kindly do not make excuses for his repugnant and obnoxious responses in general because if he is truly having the expertise and knowledge as you state, it should not be the avenue for such sort of remarks and calling it out as hubris is a fact and not an insult.
@MFeld said:
He has clearly indicated that he thinks many coins do better on eBay (and others on different venues). I
Sorry, but it looks to me as if you’ve already gone down to at least that level of trading barbs.
No. The essential countering was the percentages as a starting point and since the prior sale price for the MS 65+ D. L Hansen coin that came up on eBay hitherto remains unknown (and you said the data was insufficient fom PCGS and that was all that could be pulled for past three years) everything is in a limbo and I dropped it because this thread was getting pulled in a different direction which was not my aim.
And kindly do not make excuses for his repugnant and obnoxious responses in general because if he is truly having the expertise and knowledge as you state, it should not be the avenue for such sort of remarks and calling it out as hubris is a fact and not an insult.
You don’t seem to have dropped anything. If your aim really isn’t to pull this thread in a different direction, I challenge you to back that up and when you next post, make it about the subject coin, instead of all the other stuff. I’ll be shocked if you’re willing and able to do that. So as not to be hypocritical, I’m issuing the same challenge to myself. In effect, that means this will be my last post to this thread.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
@jmlanzaf said:
I think your ad hominem attacks prove more than anything I've said. Insults aren't counter arguments.
What hypocrisy? What tall tales? Every dealer, and many collectors, in here could tell similar stores. My experience is neither exceptional nor unusual.
Well, in the same vein what insult and what counter argument then?
BS. Hypocrisy. Tall tales. Warped explanations. Sorry, I didn't recognize those as compliments.
And I never once leveled an insult at you. I've simply repeatedly pointed out that Heritage and Stacks fill a valuable role that is worth the cost or they would have creased to exist. I'm not sure why you consider that either controversial or personal.
You may have the last word. I'm also done with this thread.
Unfortunately, from my little personal experience, the peace does not tone well at all unlike some of the other coinage.
My friend owns a few grocery/convenience stores and last year during the initial few phase of the lockdown an Asian family had come in and paid their 36$ tab mostly with coins for the purchases made.
One of the coins happened to be a really toned 1923 peace dollar in the raw that was almost completely black so to speak and he had known about my hobby, hence saved it for me.
The attached pictures are for illustrative purpose only - the whole coin was a darker color of the gunk patch seen on the spikes of the crown.
Truth be told, it did look a tad repulsive while holding it in my hand and so got rid of it. Should have probably got it slabbed instead.
@AMRC said:
One again. The little green sticker means.....
Its in the top 2/3's of the grade
It has original surfaces
CAC would make a market in it.
Coins have fingerprints because humans use fingers to pick up coins. Sorry if that offends you. You do not have to like them, but why do have to dislike them so much that you feel the need to share your disdain with others? Is there a coin-collecting rule out there that says a coin cannot have fingerprints? Let me guess, you like your blast white?
Guess again Miss Cleo
Consider me schooled.
I have a neon green 18th century silver dollar as my avatar coin. The clues were there.
I was being sarcastic. My question was to the OP. Have you seen all the color in my inventory? Fingerprints and all.
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@AMRC said:
One again. The little green sticker means.....
Its in the top 2/3's of the grade
It has original surfaces
CAC would make a market in it.
Coins have fingerprints because humans use fingers to pick up coins. Sorry if that offends you. You do not have to like them, but why do have to dislike them so much that you feel the need to share your disdain with others? Is there a coin-collecting rule out there that says a coin cannot have fingerprints? Let me guess, you like your blast white?
Guess again Miss Cleo
Consider me schooled.
I have a neon green 18th century silver dollar as my avatar coin. The clues were there.
I was being sarcastic. My question was to the OP. Have you seen all the color in my inventory? Fingerprints and all.
Unfortunately, from my little personal experience, the peace does not tone well at all unlike some of the other coinage.
My friend owns a few grocery/convenience stores and last year during the initial few phase of the lockdown an Asian family had come in and paid their 36$ tab mostly with coins for the purchases made.
Unfortunately, from my little personal experience, the peace does not tone well at all unlike some of the other coinage.
My friend owns a few grocery/convenience stores and last year during the initial few phase of the lockdown an Asian family had come in and paid their 36$ tab mostly with coins for the purchases made.
Unfortunately, from my little personal experience, the peace does not tone well at all unlike some of the other coinage.
My friend owns a few grocery/convenience stores and last year during the initial few phase of the lockdown an Asian family had come in and paid their 36$ tab mostly with coins for the purchases made.
Why is the ethnicity of the family relevant?
LOL.
I put the facts in there because there are many folks who get such coins in their hands and put them away inside a coffee jar or something which could possibly be a catalyst in getting toned so much (without getting political - sort of like the pre election show where the VP discusses with Mindy Kaling during one of the cooking shows about how their parents used to store spices etc. in old coffee jars https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xz7rNOAFkgE ).
rebellions are built on hope. But yeah, solid for the grade when it doesnt appear to be - hence missing something. thats all. i really couldnt care less about the coin myself.
I just meant, hope that whoever buys it next doesnt get fleeced because it's CAC'ed, but a loser.
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We've got multiple professionals who have seen the Seated $ in hand and who believe it deserves a straight grade. You have not seen it in person and disagree. Hmmmm... whom should I believe?
I agree and disagree with you with regards to ebay. Auction for anything is a gamble on ebay, but fixed price finds buyers that don't even look at Heritage, Stacks, GC, etc.. I'm not talking about chump change coins either! There's no gamble with a fixed price, you sell it for what you want or don't sell it!
Again, it depends on what it is.
I listed a coin fixed price (MS large cent) on ebay on and off for 6 months at $6000. I sent it to Heritage and it hammered at almost $9000. Well worth the 20%
There are some things that are better in other venues. Works both ways. Some things are better on ebay.
WOW, that's an average gross of nearly $27 per transaction! To say I'm impressed would be an overstatement.
I'm the king of $2 stamps and covers.
If I had done 75,000 transactions at an average of $2700, I wouldn't be talking to you peons. Lol
My point was to call out your name calling, which really, is um, well, not nice. BTW, what is 'opion'? That is not a word in the US english dictionary.
Best, SH
Successful transactions with-Boosibri,lkeigwin,TomB,Broadstruck,coinsarefun,Type2,jom,ProfLiz, UltraHighRelief,Barndog,EXOJUNKIE,ldhair,fivecents,paesan,Crusty...
Nothing wrong with that. Nobody here looks down on people who don't have a lot to spend on their collections.
Do they?
Well played, sir, well played.
Coinjunkie might...lol
I've sold 99 cent stamps and $10k coins and everything in between. It's been fun and educational, and profitable, although not probably worth the time I spent. But it keeps me off the streets at night and I'm neither bragging nor complaining.
Synthetic opium...
Or maybe a narcotic onion...
After the concerns on CAC in this thread, especially with fingerprints, I went back through my images of my great CAC coins and low and behold I found a fingerprint. See below in the upper right field on the obverse. The mottled toning you see there, when put in the right orientation to the light, is you guessed it, an old fingerprint. Why did CAC bean this coin (which was originally in a NGC 58 holder and crossed to P58)? There are 20 beaned in 58 though and I would love to compare. Obviously, CAC judged this to be an A or B coin for the grade, it is truly spectacular in hand with the toning that is classic for the coins coming out of the Newman collection and my images don't do it justice. This is a case IMO, where a fingerprint is not necessarily detracting and CAC likely agreed. So each coin, as usual, is, a personal assessment by the TPG's, CAC, and the owner. Fingerprints, have to be evaluated by each and generally I don't like them, even on many CAC - like that in the OP coins, but in this case I accept it as part of the coin bc it does not detract from the amazing eye appeal of the toning that took decades to develop.
Best, SH
Successful transactions with-Boosibri,lkeigwin,TomB,Broadstruck,coinsarefun,Type2,jom,ProfLiz, UltraHighRelief,Barndog,EXOJUNKIE,ldhair,fivecents,paesan,Crusty...
1) Some fingerprints are less obvious than others.
2) Fingerprints on circulated coins are generally more forgivable.
Nonetheless, I don't like them on coins in my collection.
Exactly.
Am sure more folks see the BS coming out of jmlanzaf but they all perhaps prefer to keep quiet
More hubris and hypocrisy with warped explanation because all the tall tales seem to be coming off at the seams.
https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/u-s-coins/quarters/PCGS-2020-quarter-quest/album/247091
I once picked up a proof 1973 bahamas 10 dollar coin in the raw https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces16333.html and it has a HUGE thumbprint right across, but didn't pay much for it because of that. It was amongst a few other coins from same period that I had purchased sort of like a set.
https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/u-s-coins/quarters/PCGS-2020-quarter-quest/album/247091
I think that there is a vast difference between an A and a B coin even by subjective means and as such CAC is of little value. C coins in theory should be an obvious stand out. So whats the point. That's like lumping the 1% elite wealthy with the middle class and calling that 1 thing in the same.
I consider myself a toned peace dollar collector, among other things. And as such I know the majority of people's opinion on a coin like my op. Despite liking it because of my niche interest in everything toned peace. But I know the masses do not consider this an A or B coin due to its terminal crusted toning. Which is why I wagged my finger by posting this thread.
That salvo ought to keep the thread going for another few hundred posts...
I didn’t see where he posted any tall tales or warped explanations. Like it or not, he has considerable experience buying, selling and consigning coins. How about trying to make your points without throwing out insults?
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
I think your ad hominem attacks prove more than anything I've said. Insults aren't counter arguments.
What hypocrisy? What tall tales? Every dealer, and many collectors, in here could tell similar stores. My experience is neither exceptional nor unusual.
I did. With the eBay example of a D. L. Hansen coin and as rightly noted, some do very well especially with the fixed price BIN and some of the auctions are a hit or miss at times.
As for insults, it is a two way street and I am not going to get down to that level of trading barbs.
https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/u-s-coins/quarters/PCGS-2020-quarter-quest/album/247091
Well, in the same vein what insult and what counter argument then?
https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/u-s-coins/quarters/PCGS-2020-quarter-quest/album/247091
He has clearly indicated that he thinks many coins do better on eBay (and others on different venues).
Sorry, but it looks to me as if you’ve already gone down to at least that level of trading barbs.
Edited to add: Here’s one of his comments about eBay: “There are some things that are better in other venues. Works both ways. Some things are better on ebay.”
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
No. The essential countering was the percentages as a starting point and since the prior sale price for the MS 65+ D. L Hansen coin that came up on eBay hitherto remains unknown (and you said the data was insufficient fom PCGS and that was all that could be pulled for past three years) everything is in a limbo and I dropped it because this thread was getting pulled in a different direction which was not my aim.
And kindly do not make excuses for his repugnant and obnoxious responses in general because if he is truly having the expertise and knowledge as you state, it should not be the avenue for such sort of remarks and calling it out as hubris is a fact and not an insult.
https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/u-s-coins/quarters/PCGS-2020-quarter-quest/album/247091
Found a live one, folks. Let the bidding wars begin. This one is a '21 so it'll be interesting to see what it actually goes for.
Great Collections: 1921 Peace Silver Dollar High Relief PCGS MS-63 CAC OGH (2nd Gen) (Toned)
Nothing is as expensive as free money.
You don’t seem to have dropped anything. If your aim really isn’t to pull this thread in a different direction, I challenge you to back that up and when you next post, make it about the subject coin, instead of all the other stuff. I’ll be shocked if you’re willing and able to do that. So as not to be hypocritical, I’m issuing the same challenge to myself. In effect, that means this will be my last post to this thread.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
Pass due to the very weak strike and ugly toning.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
BS. Hypocrisy. Tall tales. Warped explanations. Sorry, I didn't recognize those as compliments.
And I never once leveled an insult at you. I've simply repeatedly pointed out that Heritage and Stacks fill a valuable role that is worth the cost or they would have creased to exist. I'm not sure why you consider that either controversial or personal.
You may have the last word. I'm also done with this thread.
Unfortunately, from my little personal experience, the peace does not tone well at all unlike some of the other coinage.
My friend owns a few grocery/convenience stores and last year during the initial few phase of the lockdown an Asian family had come in and paid their 36$ tab mostly with coins for the purchases made.
One of the coins happened to be a really toned 1923 peace dollar in the raw that was almost completely black so to speak and he had known about my hobby, hence saved it for me.
The attached pictures are for illustrative purpose only - the whole coin was a darker color of the gunk patch seen on the spikes of the crown.
Truth be told, it did look a tad repulsive while holding it in my hand and so got rid of it. Should have probably got it slabbed instead.
https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/u-s-coins/quarters/PCGS-2020-quarter-quest/album/247091
I was being sarcastic. My question was to the OP. Have you seen all the color in my inventory? Fingerprints and all.
I was and am, and always will be, the OP
Why is the ethnicity of the family relevant?
A screenplay for the movie would require it
LOL.
I put the facts in there because there are many folks who get such coins in their hands and put them away inside a coffee jar or something which could possibly be a catalyst in getting toned so much (without getting political - sort of like the pre election show where the VP discusses with Mindy Kaling during one of the cooking shows about how their parents used to store spices etc. in old coffee jars
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xz7rNOAFkgE ).
Why is all this a very touchy affair?
https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/u-s-coins/quarters/PCGS-2020-quarter-quest/album/247091
So there is a CAC sticker on an ugly coin...
I don't see what the 5-page big deal is...It happens all the time.
My Saint Set
rebellions are built on hope. But yeah, solid for the grade when it doesnt appear to be - hence missing something. thats all. i really couldnt care less about the coin myself.
I just meant, hope that whoever buys it next doesnt get fleeced because it's CAC'ed, but a loser.
Minor Variety Trade dollar's with chop marks set:
More Than It's Chopped Up To Be