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I need your opinion on this 1839-O Capped Bust 50c

Herb_THerb_T Posts: 1,755 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited September 21, 2021 7:04AM in U.S. Coin Forum

I like this coin but I try to stay away from coins that aren’t graded by PCGS or NGC. The coin in question is graded by ICG and is a VF35. I want to reholder this coin with PCGS but being new to the hobby I don’t know if this coin will past muster at PCGS. If it drops in grade by PCGS I can work with that, but I don’t want it to be classified as CLEANED.

Your experience is needed here. Your thoughts?

Thank you in advance. Herb


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  • hummingbird_coinshummingbird_coins Posts: 1,228 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Your coin might be spared by PCGS, given that many Bust coins have had an old cleaning.

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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,442 ✭✭✭✭✭

    You might want to change 1938 to 1839 in your thread title. :D

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  • hummingbird_coinshummingbird_coins Posts: 1,228 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @PerryHall said:
    You might want to change 1938 to 1839 in your thread title. :D

    You mean 1939 to 1839 ;)

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  • Herb_THerb_T Posts: 1,755 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @PerryHall said:
    You might want to change 1938 to 1839 in your thread title. :D

    Opps….thank you!

  • Herb_THerb_T Posts: 1,755 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @hummingbird_coins said:

    @PerryHall said:
    You might want to change 1938 to 1839 in your thread title. :D

    You mean 1939 to 1839 ;)

    Thank you!

  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 23,486 ✭✭✭✭✭

    hard pass... it has everything to do with the coin and nothing to do with the TPG

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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I know this may sound harsh, however, if it were my coin, I would sell it and buy one in a PCGS holder.... Cheers, RickO

  • EXOJUNKIEEXOJUNKIE Posts: 1,619 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I see potential issues on both the obverse and reverse. Based on the photos in the OP, unless the price is too good to refuse, I would pass on this one.

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  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,463 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Cleaned and too many marks for the grade. Pass.

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  • AMRCAMRC Posts: 4,280 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Hope springs eternal.

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  • lkeneficlkenefic Posts: 8,169 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I like it... as a raw coin with an old cleaning that I'd put in an album. Obviously you won't know unless you submit but I think the hairlines on the reverse may prevent a straight grade... IMHO.

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  • drddmdrddm Posts: 5,391 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice coin!

    I actually recently crossed an ICG bust half MS61 to PCGS AU55. It was definitely not a 55 in my opinion as the luster was all there for a 58, so I sent it in for regrade and it went up to 58.

    I also bought my 1839-O a few years back in a NGC AU55 holder, crossed it to PCGS 55 on the first try, but still didn’t agree with the grade (because of the wear, surfaces and luster) so I resubmitted it, and it upgraded to 58.

    The message here is, if you’re not satisfied with a coin’s grade (or the holder), and you don’t mind spending a few bucks, try crossing it, but you may have to submit it again to get it to the correct grade.

    Just my two cents, of course!
    Good luck and let us know how you do.

    Dave

  • Herb_THerb_T Posts: 1,755 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @drddm said:
    Nice coin!

    I actually recently crossed an ICG bust half MS61 to PCGS AU55. It was definitely not a 55 in my opinion as the luster was all there for a 58, so I sent it in for regrade and it went up to 58.

    I also bought my 1839-O a few years back in a NGC AU55 holder, crossed it to PCGS 55 on the first try, but still didn’t agree with the grade (because of the wear, surfaces and luster) so I resubmitted it, and it upgraded to 58.

    The message here is, if you’re not satisfied with a coin’s grade (or the holder), and you don’t mind spending a few bucks, try crossing it, but you may have to submit it again to get it to the correct grade.

    Just my two cents, of course!
    Good luck and let us know how you do.

    Dave

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  • astroratastrorat Posts: 9,221 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice Bust half. Based on the images, the coin looks cleaned. Not too bad, but the surfaces have been cleaned.

    I would recommend, if you want a problem-free coin in a PCGS holder, then you should look for that coin, specifically. There are too many "variables" when resubmitting coins to TPGs or "stickering" companies.

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  • TomBTomB Posts: 21,652 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Oof!

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  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,359 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If you want a "filler coin" for a popular issue, and it's priced at Fine money, I'd think about it. Otherwise, no, because it's been cleaned.

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  • lkeneficlkenefic Posts: 8,169 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @TomB said:
    Oof!

    Well that speaks volumes! ;-)

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  • drddmdrddm Posts: 5,391 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Herb_T said:

    Would you spend $1600 on this coin?

    Personally, I wouldn’t….but that’s just me.
    Sorry if that wasn’t the answer you were hoping for.
    I’m kinda picky when it comes to coins I’m considering adding to my collection.

    Dave

  • AercusAercus Posts: 381 ✭✭✭✭

    That is diffuse lighting. Those hairlines on the reverse are worse than they look. I would bet lunch it won't get a straight grade at pcgs.

    As others have said, especially if you are new to the hobby and don't want to risk the occasional details grade, buy PCGS coins.

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  • stmanstman Posts: 11,352 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Please, don’t jump!

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  • pmh1nicpmh1nic Posts: 3,295 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @TomB said:
    Oof!

    He condensed a long paragraph down to three letters and exclamation point...love it.

    I'm with Ikenefic, as long as it's authentic and the only issue is cleaned, if I could get it at the right price I'd crack it and put it in an album or make it a pocket piece. I know for those that seriously collect them it would be anathema (which I totally understand) but simple having it as a fairly detailed example is enough for me.

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  • CryptoCrypto Posts: 3,740 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 21, 2021 2:46PM

    Hey man I wish you luck as someone who has crossed a 39-o from an IGC to a PCGS holder in like for like grade. Now a PCGS AG3 ;)

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  • Herb_THerb_T Posts: 1,755 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I have moved on, but still looking for a nice 1839-O……thanks everyone!

  • BoosibriBoosibri Posts: 12,255 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Herb_T said:

    @drddm said:
    Nice coin!

    I actually recently crossed an ICG bust half MS61 to PCGS AU55. It was definitely not a 55 in my opinion as the luster was all there for a 58, so I sent it in for regrade and it went up to 58.

    I also bought my 1839-O a few years back in a NGC AU55 holder, crossed it to PCGS 55 on the first try, but still didn’t agree with the grade (because of the wear, surfaces and luster) so I resubmitted it, and it upgraded to 58.

    The message here is, if you’re not satisfied with a coin’s grade (or the holder), and you don’t mind spending a few bucks, try crossing it, but you may have to submit it again to get it to the correct grade.

    Just my two cents, of course!
    Good luck and let us know how you do.

    Dave

    Would you spend $1600 on this coin?

    Omg no

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  • skier07skier07 Posts: 4,076 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Herb_T said:

    @drddm said:
    Nice coin!

    I actually recently crossed an ICG bust half MS61 to PCGS AU55. It was definitely not a 55 in my opinion as the luster was all there for a 58, so I sent it in for regrade and it went up to 58.

    I also bought my 1839-O a few years back in a NGC AU55 holder, crossed it to PCGS 55 on the first try, but still didn’t agree with the grade (because of the wear, surfaces and luster) so I resubmitted it, and it upgraded to 58.

    The message here is, if you’re not satisfied with a coin’s grade (or the holder), and you don’t mind spending a few bucks, try crossing it, but you may have to submit it again to get it to the correct grade.

    Just my two cents, of course!
    Good luck and let us know how you do.

    Dave

    Would you spend $1600 on this coin?

    NO

  • Cougar1978Cougar1978 Posts: 8,473 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 22, 2021 5:09PM

    Me / Unless thought upgrade would leave in ICG holder. Would price higher of cost plus or 90 pct CPG. Looks like a nice VF35 to me!

    Irregardless I would not want it in any holder where it classified as cleaned or downgraded. Wb like taking points off the board.

    So if I were to try cross would not want it put in details holder. Either it crosses at straight grade or sent back as is.

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  • lkeigwinlkeigwin Posts: 16,892 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Keep looking. '39-O's can be pricey but they're not rare and if you take your time you'll find a better example.

    I'm never put-off by the holder if I like the coin, FWIW.
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