I think PCGS got it wrong on this 70-S "SMALL DATE CENT"

Steven59

Won this from Great Collections for a hole filler (91-questionable color) untill I can afford a nicer one but after looking at this closer I'm pretty sure it's a Large Date incorrectly labeled as a Small Date (7 below the 0, 9 points to bottom of 7, strong LIBERTY?). What say you?

renman95

Agree.

gumby1234

Looks like the large date to me.

MarkKelley

Yep. Large date.

Steven59

Well thanks for your replies - guess I'll go read up on returns to GC...........

gumby1234

@Steven59 what about the PCGS guarantee or does that not apply for varieties>

Steven59

@gumby1234 said:
@Steven59 what about the PCGS guarantee or does that not apply for varieties>

I have no idea - (about varieties) and/or ungradable coins?

EDIT: I'm guessing this will not be covered - They don't cover incorrect variety labeling:

Not covered.......
"A variety attribution that is obviously incorrect. For example, if you had a normal date 1942 Mercury dime, but the PCGS holder showed the coin as a much rarer 1942/1 overdate, this coin would not be covered by the PCGS Guarantee as the date is obviously normal. Another example would be if you had a 1945 Mercury dime with an obviously normal size mint mark, but the PCGS holder showed the coin as a "Micro S." This coin would not be covered by the PCGS Guarantee since the mint mark is obviously normal size."

koynekwest

The difference between the large date and small date is so minor, in my opinion, that I'm surprised the small date shows a premium at all. Don't get me wrong-I'm glad it does as I've cherried more than a dozen each of both the business strikes and the proofs and sold 'em all, many back in the days of Teletrade.

Now the 1960 large and small dates do show a nice difference.

derryb

shouldn't a reputable seller have caught the mistake before selling it.

gumby1234

@derryb Shouldn't PCGS have caught it and attributed it correctly? Thats a better question.

ianrussell

@derryb said:
shouldn't a reputable seller have caught the mistake before selling it.

Yes, but unfortunately we missed it. We certainly don't sell mislabeled coins on purpose.

We do stand behind everything we do, so we will be offering a full refund and return shipping to the OP for this coin. @Steven59, I will send you an e-mail.

Regards,

• Ian

MasonG

@gumby1234 said:
@derryb Shouldn't PCGS have caught it and attributed it correctly? Thats a better question.

Whether a variety is one type or another is not a matter of opinion- it either is or it isn't.

And people wonder why a business like CAC (which addresses matters of opinion) exists.

BuffaloIronTail

Pete

ifthevamzarockin

@derryb said:
shouldn't a reputable seller have caught the mistake before selling it.

There is a reason you can cherrypick the small dates, many reputable sellers don't know how to tell the difference.

ricko

Clearly the large date....Very nice that GC is offering a refund. Cheers, RickO

Jimnight

Agreed ... large date.

mannie gray

@ianrussell said:

@derryb said:
shouldn't a reputable seller have caught the mistake before selling it.

Yes, but unfortunately we missed it. We certainly don't sell mislabeled coins on purpose.

We do stand behind everything we do, so we will be offering a full refund and return shipping to the OP for this coin. @Steven59, I will send you an e-mail.

Regards,

• Ian

This type of customer service is uncommon these days.

WAYNEAS

Another eagle eye award winner @steven59.

Nice catch.
I am impressed that GC will refund your $$.
Wayne

privatecoin

I received a coin that got a damaged holder during shipping from GC, Ian was prompt in resolving the issue. Their customer service is absolutely great.

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Steven59

@ianrussell said:

@derryb said:
shouldn't a reputable seller have caught the mistake before selling it.

Yes, but unfortunately we missed it. We certainly don't sell mislabeled coins on purpose.

We do stand behind everything we do, so we will be offering a full refund and return shipping to the OP for this coin. @Steven59, I will send you an e-mail.

Regards,

• Ian

Thank you so much! I have returned your email to proceed with the refund! Now THAT'S customer service - so very much appreciated!

AMRC

@derryb said:
shouldn't a reputable seller have caught the mistake before selling it.

I would not have caught it. Does that make me disreputable? If I had sold that coin and did not take it back, then you may have a point, but labeling someone "disreputable" because they did not authenticate the 3rd party grading AUTHENTICATION COMPANY seems like you are missing the point of the thread. Mistakes happen, and it does not mean people are dishonest.

I mean, I did catch this one. :-(

keyman64

I’m struggling through variety submissions with PCGS right now. I’m having to educate them AGAIN. They are not the experts and it’s frustrating that we have to do all of the work for them, they charge an expensive fee and then they still get it wrong.

derryb

@AMRC said:

@derryb said:
shouldn't a reputable seller have caught the mistake before selling it.

I would not have caught it. Does that make me disreputable? If I had sold that coin and did not take it back, then you may have a point, but labeling someone "disreputable" because they did not authenticate the 3rd party grading AUTHENTICATION COMPANY seems like you are missing the point of the thread. Mistakes happen, and it does not mean people are dishonest.

I did not say the seller was disreputable. I said a reputable seller such as GC should have caught the mistake. In an earlier post here Ian from GC agrees they should have caught it and made a mistake. I also did not say or imply that the seller was dishonest. I labeled GC a reputable seller because they are a reputable seller and they have demonstrated it to me in the numerous times I have used their services.

I would not have expected you as a seller to catch the mistake until you have proven to me that you are a reputable seller.