New info! 22 Merc MS68FB & 2 MS68+FB regrade submission resulted in 4 significant upgrades!

remumc

I submitted my 22 MS68FB & 2 MS68+FB Mercury dimes for regrade via the express service. Received 4 upgrades. The 1936 MS68FB is now a MS68+FB, Pop now 7 & 0 higher, the 1939-D MS68+FB is now a MS69FB, pop now 25 & 0 higher, the 1940-D MS68FB is now a MS68+FB, pop 2 & 0 higher, and the 1942-D MS68FB is now a MS68+FB, pop 5 & 0 higher! Big score!!! All the rest came back at the grade submitted. All will now be true viewed, and viewable on my set once I receive the coins & get them logged in. Will be sending in my 67FB, (16 coins), & 67+FB (12 coins) soon.

Mgarmy

Great news!!!!

ColonelJessup

I'm assuming the 39-D is from the two rolls that Dennis Steinmetz found out in the wilds of PA a bit over 20 years ago, and accordingly gloriously toned. Scaling the heights with a submission like that . Looking forward to the images.

remumc

That coin, and many more, are pictured on my set. Currently the #5 full bands set at PCGS. Currently # 5. More true view images coming soon!

DollarAfterDollar

Great results Wayne. Obviously a good eye when buying.

Congrats!!

scotty4449

Wow! That's an amazing set of Mercs you have there. Congratulations on the upgrades.

oih82w8

That is really good news...looking forward to the images.

ricko

Wow... one heck of a submission.... Congratulations on the grades and your set. Cheers, RickO

Fairlaneman

Fantastic Wayne. Your 18S is still my favorite.

Ken

ColonelJessup

@remumc said:
That coin, and many more, are pictured on my set. Currently the #5 full bands set at PCGS. Currently # 5. More true view images coming soon!

Please linkify

edited to add: found FB registry set grouping (by accident), but "remumc" and "wayne" seem absent.

WAYNEAS

Wayne

remumc

PCGS pulled all the old cert numbers, dropping my sets to the bottom. I have now plugged in all the new cert numbers. Didn't realize I was going to lose all my info such as date purchased, amount paid, source, & my personal notes. Managed to save some before they pulled the certs. Only 9 of 24 true views are up so far.

Here's a link to the set: https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/half-dimes/mercury-dimes-major-sets/mercury-dimes-fb-major-varieties-circulation-strikes-1916-1945/publishedset/148152

keyman64

Huge congrats, Wayne! That’s amazing! For more than a decade there’s only been 24 1939-D examples in MS69FB. To get your example to break into that group is pretty special. As for the others, crazy cool as well.

keyman64

Here’s the link to the set.
https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/half-dimes/mercury-dimes-major-sets/mercury-dimes-fb-major-varieties-circulation-strikes-1916-1945/publishedset/148152

Treashunt

Amazing set

remumc

Thanks Ken, the 18-S is one of my favorites also, along with some other Merc collectors with higher ranking sets that mine! Seems all think it deserve a higher grade, as do I. It will be submitted for regrade in the next few weeks.

Thanks keyman64 for the functional link! I have now copied yours & pasted it into my comment where the link didn't work.

keyman64

@remumc So, when are you going to tackle the Merc complete variety set? I think it is only 28 additional coins and it will give you something to work on.

planetsteve

@ColonelJessup said:
I'm assuming the 39-D is from the two rolls that Dennis Steinmetz found out in the wilds of PA a bit over 20 years ago, and accordingly gloriously toned. Scaling the heights with a submission like that . Looking forward to the images.

The dimes colorfully toned while in a roll? I've gotten the idea that toning is usually the result of being in an album. Are these among any of the top 39Ds in coinfacts?

Sandman70gt

Excellent set!
It is awesome could get some upgrades at that level.
Looking forward to the trueviews.
Thanks for sharing your set.

keyman64

@planetsteve said:

@ColonelJessup said:
I'm assuming the 39-D is from the two rolls that Dennis Steinmetz found out in the wilds of PA a bit over 20 years ago, and accordingly gloriously toned. Scaling the heights with a submission like that . Looking forward to the images.

The dimes colorfully toned while in a roll? I've gotten the idea that toning is usually the result of being in an album. Are these among any of the top 39Ds in coinfacts?

I doubt they were in a roll. But yes, the story is that most of the 39-Ds in MS69FB were all submitted at one time. As for coinfacts, some of them are in there but some are not. Some have not been resubmitted for photos. I know of 2 members here that each own 2. And now remumc owns a 69FB example.

jom

@planetsteve said:

@ColonelJessup said:
I'm assuming the 39-D is from the two rolls that Dennis Steinmetz found out in the wilds of PA a bit over 20 years ago, and accordingly gloriously toned. Scaling the heights with a submission like that . Looking forward to the images.

The dimes colorfully toned while in a roll? I've gotten the idea that toning is usually the result of being in an album. Are these among any of the top 39Ds in coinfacts?

They were from a roll....Jessup tells it true....although until today I never knew the complete story. It was in 1994/5 time frame if memory serves.

jom

keyman64

@jom said:

@planetsteve said:

@ColonelJessup said:
I'm assuming the 39-D is from the two rolls that Dennis Steinmetz found out in the wilds of PA a bit over 20 years ago, and accordingly gloriously toned. Scaling the heights with a submission like that . Looking forward to the images.

The dimes colorfully toned while in a roll? I've gotten the idea that toning is usually the result of being in an album. Are these among any of the top 39Ds in coinfacts?

They were from a roll....Jessup tells it true....although until today I never knew the complete story. It was in 1994/5 time frame if memory serves.

jom

Not a roll that you would just go to the bank and get in 1939 though... you don't get a paper roll like that from the bank, store it for 60 years and have them all tone wildly different and be all MS69FB...more like a roll of very special coins that someone put together over a few decades is my guess. There is a big difference between these scenarios.

2ltdjorn

congrats.

ColonelJessup

@keyman64 said:

@jom said:

@planetsteve said:

@ColonelJessup said:
I'm assuming the 39-D is from the two rolls that Dennis Steinmetz found out in the wilds of PA a bit over 20 years ago, and accordingly gloriously toned. Scaling the heights with a submission like that . Looking forward to the images.

The dimes colorfully toned while in a roll? I've gotten the idea that toning is usually the result of being in an album. Are these among any of the top 39Ds in coinfacts?

They were from a roll....Jessup tells it true....although until today I never knew the complete story. It was in 1994/5 time frame if memory serves.

jom

Not a roll that you would just go to the bank and get in 1939 though... you don't get a paper roll like that from the bank, store it for 60 years and have them all tone wildly different and be all MS69FB...more like a roll of very special coins that someone put together over a few decades is my guess. There is a big difference between these scenarios.

They did not "tone wildly different". They are not "all 69FB". IIRC none of them were when they were initially graded. If you were familiar with the group, you would be aware the toning is quite similar throughout. Maybe the rolls were stored in a cabinet with, totally by accident, "the right kind" of shellac. Someone with some coin doctoring experience might easily offer other possibilities.

FWIW, I wrote two articles on FB Mercs in the April and May 1980 (?) Greysheet and would watch the series more closely if I were more comfortable with the current definition of FB. This, of course, has nothing to do with the case in point. It's more along the lines of "You have no conception whatsoever".

keyman64

@ColonelJessup said:

@keyman64 said:

@jom said:

@planetsteve said:

@ColonelJessup said:
I'm assuming the 39-D is from the two rolls that Dennis Steinmetz found out in the wilds of PA a bit over 20 years ago, and accordingly gloriously toned. Scaling the heights with a submission like that . Looking forward to the images.

The dimes colorfully toned while in a roll? I've gotten the idea that toning is usually the result of being in an album. Are these among any of the top 39Ds in coinfacts?

They were from a roll....Jessup tells it true....although until today I never knew the complete story. It was in 1994/5 time frame if memory serves.

jom

Not a roll that you would just go to the bank and get in 1939 though... you don't get a paper roll like that from the bank, store it for 60 years and have them all tone wildly different and be all MS69FB...more like a roll of very special coins that someone put together over a few decades is my guess. There is a big difference between these scenarios.

They did not "tone wildly different". They are not "all 69FB". IIRC none of them were when they were initially graded. If you were familiar with the group, you would be aware the toning is quite similar throughout. Maybe the rolls were stored in a cabinet with, totally by accident, "the right kind" of shellac. Someone with some coin doctoring experience might easily offer other possibilities.

FWIW, I wrote two articles on FB Mercs in the April and May 1980 (?) Greysheet and would watch the series more closely if I were more comfortable with the current definition of FB. This, of course, has nothing to do with the case in point. It's more along the lines of "You have no conception whatsoever".

There are 8 1939-D MS69FB examples shown in Coin Facts. I still stand by my comment that they are all very different(at least the ones shown in Coin Facts). Granted, that's only 32% of the current population of 25. Granted, I am not familiar with the original grouping and wish I was more familiar with it. It could be that most of these 8 in Coin Facts are not part of the original group, I do not know. It sure would be fun if the dealer would come on the forum and share the story first hand. https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/1939-d-10c-fb/images/5019

As for them all being worthy of the 69FB designation, that's definitely a different discussion to be had at another time in another place and with all of them present in my grubby hands.

Getting back to the topic of this thread though, it is quite the amazing accomplishment to get another 69FB graded at PCGS. Yes, there are 24 others but it has been at 24 for over 10 years I believe. I (and many others) thought the chances of PCGS grading another one at this level was extremely thin. It's a wonderful coin, Wayne. Congratulations!

ColonelJessup

@keyman64 said:

@ColonelJessup said:

@keyman64 said:

@jom said:

@planetsteve said:

@ColonelJessup said:
I'm assuming the 39-D is from the two rolls that Dennis Steinmetz found out in the wilds of PA a bit over 20 years ago, and accordingly gloriously toned. Scaling the heights with a submission like that . Looking forward to the images.

The dimes colorfully toned while in a roll? I've gotten the idea that toning is usually the result of being in an album. Are these among any of the top 39Ds in coinfacts?

They were from a roll....Jessup tells it true....although until today I never knew the complete story. It was in 1994/5 time frame if memory serves.

jom

Not a roll that you would just go to the bank and get in 1939 though... you don't get a paper roll like that from the bank, store it for 60 years and have them all tone wildly different and be all MS69FB...more like a roll of very special coins that someone put together over a few decades is my guess. There is a big difference between these scenarios.

They did not "tone wildly different". They are not "all 69FB". IIRC none of them were when they were initially graded. If you were familiar with the group, you would be aware the toning is quite similar throughout. Maybe the rolls were stored in a cabinet with, totally by accident, "the right kind" of shellac. Someone with some coin doctoring experience might easily offer other possibilities.

FWIW, I wrote two articles on FB Mercs in the April and May 1980 (?) Greysheet and would watch the series more closely if I were more comfortable with the current definition of FB. This, of course, has nothing to do with the case in point. It's more along the lines of "You have no conception whatsoever".

There are 8 1939-D MS69FB examples shown in Coin Facts. I still stand by my comment that they are all very different(at least the ones shown in Coin Facts). Granted, that's only 32% of the current population of 25. Granted, I am not familiar with the original grouping and wish I was more familiar with it. It could be that most of these 8 in Coin Facts are not part of the original group, I do not know. It sure would be fun if the dealer would come on the forum and share the story first hand. https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/1939-d-10c-fb/images/5019

As for them all being worthy of the 69FB designation, that's definitely a different discussion to be had at another time in another place and with all of them present in my grubby hands.

Getting back to the topic of this thread though, it is quite the amazing accomplishment to get another 69FB graded at PCGS. Yes, there are 24 others but it has been at 24 for over 10 years I believe. I (and many others) thought the chances of PCGS grading another one at this level was extremely thin. It's a wonderful coin, Wayne. Congratulations!

1) I'm pretty sure Dennis Steinmetz is retired, and would have no interest in discussing this situation.
2) There is, as you already know, absolutely no way to put this group together again. Let's try "gratuitous" on that!
3) Whether or not they are all worthy of 69FB? The group has been graded already. Idiotically gratuitous.
4) You clearly see no similarities in the toning of many of the highest grade examples. A pity. Stick to your microscope

Scaling the heights, Wayne. A very astutely organized submission. Take it from a pro. And the overall collection is certainly a labor of love that has paid off superbly.

keyman64

@ColonelJessup said:
4) You clearly see no similarities in the toning of many of the highest grade examples. A pity. Stick to your microscope

One example has 100% full coverage toning on the obv and rev. Not similar to any of the rest. Hopefully you can agree.

In regards to the other high grade examples in Coin Facts, the colors represented are significantly different on most of the examples. This would indicate slightly different exposure to different chemicals, papers, cardboards, plastics, air quality, air exposure, temperature and possibly the amount of time that they were in those environments. I would hope you can agree with me there. One coin being green and red is pretty darn different from electric blue and pink. Please tell me you agree. Granted, we are only talking about ~8 examples here.

The only similarity in many of these coins is the tab toning pattern. Why is this important? It is because of the story of these coins coming from 2 rolls gets debunked here. Maybe these coins were pulled from their various tab folders over time and then added to a coin role or two just before they found their fame so that they might be more easily transported, I do not know. But to say that all of these came from two rolls is nuts to me. Based on the colors shown, to say they all came from the exact same place and conditions is also nutty to me. These coins were stored in tab folders.

Someone did not go to the bank in 1939, purchase two roles, put them away and store them in intact rolls for decades. It just doesn't happen this way. Enough air/chemicals would not get to BOTH sides of the coins to tone them this way, with different colors and with the tab toning pattern.

ColonelJessup

I'm 40 years in the biz, know the original owner of the hoard/submitter, and am/was a coin doctor. As recently as ten years ago, I was still looking at 100,000 coins per year.
Have a nice day

MFeld

@keyman64 said:

@ColonelJessup said:
4) You clearly see no similarities in the toning of many of the highest grade examples. A pity. Stick to your microscope

One example has 100% full coverage toning on the obv and rev. Not similar to any of the rest. Hopefully you can agree.

In regards to the other high grade examples in Coin Facts, the colors represented are significantly different on most of the examples. This would indicate slightly different exposure to different chemicals, papers, cardboards, plastics, air quality, air exposure, temperature and possibly the amount of time that they were in those environments. I would hope you can agree with me there. One coin being green and red is pretty darn different from electric blue and pink. Please tell me you agree. Granted, we are only talking about ~8 examples here.

The only similarity in many of these coins is the tab toning pattern. Why is this important? It is because of the story of these coins coming from 2 rolls gets debunked here. Maybe these coins were pulled from their various tab folders over time and then added to a coin role or two just before they found their fame so that they might be more easily transported, I do not know. But to say that all of these came from two rolls is nuts to me. Based on the colors shown, to say they all came from the exact same place and conditions is also nutty to me. These coins were stored in tab folders.

Someone did not go to the bank in 1939, purchase two roles, put them away and store them in intact rolls for decades. It just doesn't happen this way. Enough air/chemicals would not get to BOTH sides of the coins to tone them this way, with different colors and with the tab toning pattern.

For a larger sample size from the group, check MS68’s too.

keyman64

@MFeld said:

@keyman64 said:

@ColonelJessup said:
4) You clearly see no similarities in the toning of many of the highest grade examples. A pity. Stick to your microscope

One example has 100% full coverage toning on the obv and rev. Not similar to any of the rest. Hopefully you can agree.

In regards to the other high grade examples in Coin Facts, the colors represented are significantly different on most of the examples. This would indicate slightly different exposure to different chemicals, papers, cardboards, plastics, air quality, air exposure, temperature and possibly the amount of time that they were in those environments. I would hope you can agree with me there. One coin being green and red is pretty darn different from electric blue and pink. Please tell me you agree. Granted, we are only talking about ~8 examples here.

The only similarity in many of these coins is the tab toning pattern. Why is this important? It is because of the story of these coins coming from 2 rolls gets debunked here. Maybe these coins were pulled from their various tab folders over time and then added to a coin role or two just before they found their fame so that they might be more easily transported, I do not know. But to say that all of these came from two rolls is nuts to me. Based on the colors shown, to say they all came from the exact same place and conditions is also nutty to me. These coins were stored in tab folders.

Someone did not go to the bank in 1939, purchase two roles, put them away and store them in intact rolls for decades. It just doesn't happen this way. Enough air/chemicals would not get to BOTH sides of the coins to tone them this way, with different colors and with the tab toning pattern.

For a larger sample size from the group, check MS68’s too.

Yup, I did, More tab toning patterns.

ColonelJessup

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@keyman64 said:

@MFeld said:

@keyman64 said:

@ColonelJessup said:
4) You clearly see no similarities in the toning of many of the highest grade examples. A pity. Stick to your microscope

One example has 100% full coverage toning on the obv and rev. Not similar to any of the rest. Hopefully you can agree.

In regards to the other high grade examples in Coin Facts, the colors represented are significantly different on most of the examples. This would indicate slightly different exposure to different chemicals, papers, cardboards, plastics, air quality, air exposure, temperature and possibly the amount of time that they were in those environments. I would hope you can agree with me there. One coin being green and red is pretty darn different from electric blue and pink. Please tell me you agree. Granted, we are only talking about ~8 examples here.

The only similarity in many of these coins is the tab toning pattern. Why is this important? It is because of the story of these coins coming from 2 rolls gets debunked here. Maybe these coins were pulled from their various tab folders over time and then added to a coin role or two just before they found their fame so that they might be more easily transported, I do not know. But to say that all of these came from two rolls is nuts to me. Based on the colors shown, to say they all came from the exact same place and conditions is also nutty to me. These coins were stored in tab folders.

Someone did not go to the bank in 1939, purchase two roles, put them away and store them in intact rolls for decades. It just doesn't happen this way. Enough air/chemicals would not get to BOTH sides of the coins to tone them this way, with different colors and with the tab toning pattern.

For a larger sample size from the group, check MS68’s too.

Yup, I did, More tab toning patterns.

I'm not calling you an idiot I'll let the Commem buyers (who bought coins that had actual tab toning from the cardboard tabs that secured the coins in their distribution holder) simply note you as one.

Tab toning takes on the shape of the tabs (duh). The means you get vertical and horizontal stripes. Mercs were never distributed in this way. Your definition sucks "lacks merit".

Wayne, if you are still (sadly) following this, I like your 23-S quite a bit and the 24-S doesn't suck much either

keyman64

@ColonelJessup said:
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@keyman64 said:

@MFeld said:

@keyman64 said:

@ColonelJessup said:
4) You clearly see no similarities in the toning of many of the highest grade examples. A pity. Stick to your microscope

One example has 100% full coverage toning on the obv and rev. Not similar to any of the rest. Hopefully you can agree.

In regards to the other high grade examples in Coin Facts, the colors represented are significantly different on most of the examples. This would indicate slightly different exposure to different chemicals, papers, cardboards, plastics, air quality, air exposure, temperature and possibly the amount of time that they were in those environments. I would hope you can agree with me there. One coin being green and red is pretty darn different from electric blue and pink. Please tell me you agree. Granted, we are only talking about ~8 examples here.

The only similarity in many of these coins is the tab toning pattern. Why is this important? It is because of the story of these coins coming from 2 rolls gets debunked here. Maybe these coins were pulled from their various tab folders over time and then added to a coin role or two just before they found their fame so that they might be more easily transported, I do not know. But to say that all of these came from two rolls is nuts to me. Based on the colors shown, to say they all came from the exact same place and conditions is also nutty to me. These coins were stored in tab folders.

Someone did not go to the bank in 1939, purchase two roles, put them away and store them in intact rolls for decades. It just doesn't happen this way. Enough air/chemicals would not get to BOTH sides of the coins to tone them this way, with different colors and with the tab toning pattern.

For a larger sample size from the group, check MS68’s too.

Yup, I did, More tab toning patterns.

I'm not calling you an idiot I'll let the Commem buyers (who bought coins that had actual tab toning from the cardboard tabs that secured the coins in their distribution holder) simply note you as one.

Tab toning takes on the shape of the tabs (duh). The means you get vertical and horizontal stripes.

Thanks for not calling me an idiot today, much appreciated. That would be against the forum rules.

I am very familiar with what tabs are and the toning patterns produced. There were many different books and ways of holding coins in place with a single strip of plastic or fabric or tape that would lay across the face of the coin to hold it in place. That is what I am describing here and that is why you see a rectangular white area of the coin on many of these examples. You don't get white rectangular shapes free of toning by storing them in rolls for 3, 4 or 5 decades.

ColonelJessup

"Have fun with your coins." @homerunhall

Nic

@remumc said:
Thanks Ken, the 18-S is one of my favorites also, along with some other Merc collectors with higher ranking sets that mine! Seems all think it deserve a higher grade, as do I. It will be submitted for regrade in the next few weeks.

Thanks keyman64 for the functional link! I have now copied yours & pasted it into my comment where the link didn't work.

Great coins @remumc.

Nic

@ColonelJessup said:
"Have fun with your coins." @homerunhall

+1 Glad you are back.

MFeld

Wayne, I’m curious, do you have a favorite in your set?

HasBeen

I was always under the impression that the group of 39-D dimes in question were from out west, the original dealer who “got” the deal being in a state that rhymes with “Idaho”.

MFeld

ColonelJessupColonelJessup Posts: 5,791 ✭✭✭✭✭ May 29, 2021 11:39AM edited May 29, 2021 11:49AM

“Tab toning takes on the shape of the tabs (duh). The means you get vertical and horizontal stripes. Mercs were never distributed in this way. Your definition sucks "lacks merit".”

Rick, it sounds as if you might have forgotten about the wonderful, highly distinctive group of tab-toned 1945-S dimes that hit the market in the mid(?) 90’s. If I recall correctly, they were from a bank promotion and Michael R. acquired them and submitted them to NGC for grading when I was there.

ColonelJessup

Mark, those were mostly solid dusky reddish obverses with many having some ring toning deepening on the reverse. A lack-lustre group. By the time I had any (a bunch) in-hand, the FB coins were gone.

My definition of tab-toned goes back to the late 70's. Some coins in 5-coin "commemorative cards" (all post 34 or so) had horizontal and vertical 1/4" to 1/2" cardboard tabs holding the coins in place to the backing cardboard holder. Possibly some seepage outside the "cross"

That's the toning pattern I'm describing.

Show me where David Lange says the same or expands it. I think the term may have been corrupted in the same way as "rainbow toning".

cameonut2011

@ColonelJessup said:
I'm 40 years in the biz, know the original owner of the hoard/submitter, and am/was a coin doctor. As recently as ten years ago, I was still looking at 100,000 coins per year.
Have a nice day

Teach me please.

remumc

I was told that the toning was caused by old bank dime savings boards, maybe even relating to the March of Dimes. The banks would give out the boards, & when full, kids/people would take them to the bank to deposit. The banks often didn't take the time to take the dimes out of the boards, they just set in a vault for years, developing the distinctive toning pattern. I have seen a photo of one of these dime boards, & they have a paper or cardboard strip to securely hold the dime in the board. Someone may have taken a roll of new 39-D dimes that were early strikes & put them in one of those boards.

Mark, Like Ken, I am very partial to my 18-S, and also to my 45-S, but it's like asking someone which of their children they like best!

I was hoping my 43-S would make a proof like designation, oh well.

MFeld

@ColonelJessup said:
Mark, those were mostly solid dusky reddish obverses with many having some ring toning deepening on the reverse. A lack-lustre group. By the time I had any (a bunch) in-hand, the FB coins were gone.

My definition of tab-toned goes back to the late 70's. Some coins in 5-coin "commemorative cards" (all post 34 or so) had horizontal and vertical 1/4" to 1/2" cardboard tabs holding the coins in place to the backing cardboard holder. Possibly some seepage outside the "cross"

That's the toning pattern I'm describing.

Show me where David Lange says the same or expands it. I think the term may have been corrupted in the same way as "rainbow toning".

I have a similar view of tab-toned and you won’t convince me that the 45-S dimes are other than that.Their reverses have a very distinctive pattern from storage in the holders they were in when distributed by a bank.

MFeld

@remumc said:
I was told that the toning was caused by old bank dime savings boards, maybe even relating to the March of Dimes. The banks would give out the boards, & when full, kids/people would take them to the bank to deposit. The banks often didn't take the time to take the dimes out of the boards, they just set in a vault for years, developing the distinctive toning pattern. I have seen a photo of one of these dime boards, & they have a paper or cardboard strip to securely hold the dime in the board. Someone may have taken a roll of new 39-D dimes that were early strikes & put them in one of those boards.

Mark, Like Ken, I am very partial to my 18-S, and also to my 45-S, but it's like asking someone which of their children they like best!

I was hoping my 43-S would make a proof like designation, oh well.

Thank you, Wayne. And please know that I won’t tell any of the other children - oops, I mean dimes - in your collection, which ones are your favorites. 😉

ColonelJessup

@cameonut2011 said:

@ColonelJessup said:
I'm 40 years in the biz, know the original owner of the hoard/submitter, and am/was a coin doctor. As recently as ten years ago, I was still looking at 100,000 coins per year.
Have a nice day

Teach me please.

I wish I could

From '76 on, happenstance put me and many others in the midst of an outpouring of collections no one will ever see again. Way beyond Bob Simpson, If you can't go to auctions and look at several hundred coins in a day, you're screwed. 800-1000 in 8 hours and I learned well even from the coins I passed on. Back then I often looked 50,000 coins a year. And of much higher quality than what I found in 100,000 coins in the ''00's

Excepting specialties and varieties, if you think you're learning from pictures, you're on a track that will never help you get better beyond a certain point. On a relative basis you're wasting you're time on the bourse floor. There are more targets of opportunity across the board in auctions. And some useful lessons even from "details" holders.

I think both grading services provide some educational opportunities. ANA's Summer Seminar grading classes are usually 200+ coins. Hopefully. Advanced grading and Problem coin analysis may be available with @njcoincrank (Bill Shamhart) next year. All-time best grading class I've ever seen. Check with ANA Education Director Rod Gillis (@Dreamcrusher), an inveterate lurker and occasional poster, some time much later this year

AMRC

Shopping for quality always pays

cameonut2011

@ColonelJessup said:

@cameonut2011 said:

@ColonelJessup said:
I'm 40 years in the biz, know the original owner of the hoard/submitter, and am/was a coin doctor. As recently as ten years ago, I was still looking at 100,000 coins per year.
Have a nice day

Teach me please.

I wish I could

From '76 on, happenstance put me and many others in the midst of an outpouring of collections no one will ever see again. Way beyond Bob Simpson, If you can't go to auctions and look at several hundred coins in a day, you're screwed. 800-1000 in 8 hours and I learned well even from the coins I passed on. Back then I often looked 50,000 coins a year. And of much higher quality than what I found in 100,000 coins in the ''00's

Excepting specialties and varieties, if you think you're learning from pictures, you're on a track that will never help you get better beyond a certain point. On a relative basis you're wasting you're time on the bourse floor. there are more targets of opportunity across the board. And some useful lessons even from "details" holders.

I think both grading services provide some educational opportunities. ANA's Summer Seminar grading classes are usually 200+ coins. Hopefully. Advanced grading and Problem coin analysis may be available with @njcoincrank (Bill Shamhart) next year. Check with ANA Education Director Rod Gillis (@Dreamcrusher), an inveterate lurker and occasional poster, some time much later this year

Thanks! I meant teach me to be a coin doctor.

ColonelJessup

@MFeld said:

@ColonelJessup said:
Mark, those were mostly solid dusky reddish obverses with many having some ring toning deepening on the reverse. A lack-lustre group. By the time I had any (a bunch) in-hand, the FB coins were gone.

My definition of tab-toned goes back to the late 70's. Some coins in 5-coin "commemorative cards" (all post 34 or so) had horizontal and vertical 1/4" to 1/2" cardboard tabs holding the coins in place to the backing cardboard holder. Possibly some seepage outside the "cross"

That's the toning pattern I'm describing.

Show me where David Lange says the same or expands it. I think the term may have been corrupted in the same way as "rainbow toning".

I have a similar view of tab-toned and you won’t convince me that the 45-S dimes are other than that.Their reverses have a very distinctive pattern from storage in the holders they were in when distributed by a bank.

I've "liked" on the basis of your in-hand experience. I saw more than a few of the coins several years after they were dispersed, when nothing but the low end was around. NGC MS68's wholesaled under $100.

Would you describe the nature of the non-white areas in the 39-D grouping as being "tab-toning". That's not the pattern I'd expect from that description

None of this changes my position. @keyman64 has 14,000 posts, whereas I (forget the other stuff) simply had quite a few of the coins in-hand, albeit in lower superb grades.

Quite obviously, I am living in My Own Private Idaho. Like Achilles, I will now go sulk in my tent. It's time for a Monterey Jack and avocado omelet anyway. Try it with tomatillo salsa.

Merc dimes are my first love. @remumc's having fun with his coins. That works for me and damned near anyone who'd look at his set.

remumc

I'm sending 22 more Mercury dimes to PCGS on Tuesday for regrade. These are my 4 remaining MS64FB dimes, 6 MS65FB dimes, 3 MS65+FB dimes, 8 MS66FB dimes, & 1 MS66+FB. Sending via the express service again with gold shield holders & true views. Hoping for similar results! Just 1 or 2 upgrades will more than pay for the submission. This time I have printed out all of my data on these dimes so I do not lose it when they pull the old cert numbers.

keyman64

@remumc said:
I'm sending 22 more Mercury dimes to PCGS on Tuesday for regrade. These are my 4 remaining MS64FB dimes, 6 MS65FB dimes, 3 MS65+FB dimes, 8 MS66FB dimes, & 1 MS66+FB. Sending via the express service again with gold shield holders & true views. Hoping for similar results! Just 1 or 2 upgrades will more than pay for the submission. This time I have printed out all of my data on these dimes so I do not lose it when they pull the old cert numbers.

Awesome, best of luck to you! I can't wait to see how you do. Make sure you include the 18-S.

remumc

The 18-S is included! As is the 23-S & 24-S that ColonelJessup likes.

ColonelJessup

Kick ass and take names