In response to me collecting varieties, if that is going to happen, it's a long way down the road. I have enough challenges just upgrading my current sets! I was the under bidder on the recent 1920-D MS66FB in the Legend Auction. Had I known then what I know now, I would have bid higher! When I submit my MS67FB & MS67+FB dimes, I will get the variety attribution on my 45-S with the inverted S.
@MFeld
I still can't visualize what a tab-toned 45-S looks like. I don't understand how storage reverse-down would create tab-toning on the reverses. An image would help. I'm going to check HA images on the off chance.... @remunc
I'd dispute your "March of Dimes" theory. I remember those when I was a kid. Every week you added another dime. From pocket change. I find it difficult to accept that someone had a virgin roll of any date that was used, progressively, week after week, to fill up a board. @MFeld -
I checked Heritage Archives and found many many 1945-S 10c in NGC MS68 with similar toning patterns on the reverse. A beautiful bright circular "rainbow" pattern that has some brightness in the center. If this is typical of the group (assuming it's the right group), is this pattern what you consider "tab-toning"?
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@ColonelJessup said: @MFeld
I still can't visualize what a tab-toned 45-S looks like. I don't understand how storage reverse-down would create tab-toning on the reverses. An image would help. I'm going to check HA images on the off chance.... @remunc
I'd dispute your "March of Dimes" theory. I remember those when I was a kid. Every week you added another dime. I find it difficult to accept that someone had a virgin roll of any date that was used, progressively, week after week, to fill up a board.
Maybe they weren’t stored reverse-down?
Below are links to a few that are representative of what I remember - I believe that part of the bank holders had covered the centers of the reverses.
I checked the Archives and found much the same examples as you did. Whatever the cause, the toning is not in the form of a tab of any sort. I'll assume the coins were submitted in flips. Storage reverse up or down can only be speculated.
Semantics a la bas; that's toning in a rainbow pattern with beautiful color progression.
Likely the first time you've been wrong we've disagreed in years.
"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." - Geo. Orwell
@ColonelJessup said:
I checked the Archives and found much the same examples as you did. Whatever the cause, the toning is not in the form of a tab of any sort. I'll assume the coins were submitted in flips. Storage reverse up or down can only be speculated.
Semantics a la bas; that's toning in a rainbow pattern with beautiful color progression.
Likely the first time you've been wrong we've disagreed in years.
Perhaps I was mistaken in thinking we had the same definition of “tab toning”. I believe that a vertical tab held the coins in place in their paper/cardboard bank holders and that’s why there’s a very similar shaped/sized lighter or untoned patch at the center of the reverses. I can’t say that I know I’m correct and sadly, I don’t recall how the coins were submitted. If I see or talk to a former co-grader at NGC, I’ll ask if he remembers more.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
@ColonelJessup said:
I checked the Archives and found much the same examples as you did. Whatever the cause, the toning is not in the form of a tab of any sort. I'll assume the coins were submitted in flips. Storage reverse up or down can only be speculated.
Semantics a la bas; that's toning in a rainbow pattern with beautiful color progression.
Likely the first time you've been wrong we've disagreed in years.
Perhaps I was mistaken in thinking we had the same definition of “tab toning”. I believe that a vertical tab held the coins in place in their paper/cardboard bank holders and that’s why there’s a very similar shaped/sized lighter or untoned patch at the center of the reverses. I can’t say that I know I’m correct and sadly, I don’t recall how the coins were submitted. If I see or talk to a former co-grader at NGC, I’ll ask if he remembers more.
I'll assume the coins were handled according to standard NGC protocols. That means submitted in flips. We'll never know the answer might be about those boards. If the "tabs" were in contact with the coins, the toning would conform to the shape of the "tab" and be darker than the rest of the surfaces. Your examples are the opposite and strongly suggest gas seepage forming inwardly from the rims.
But -- Let's debate some more and distract from @remumc's accomplishment
"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." - Geo. Orwell
Received more Mercury dime grades today. I submitted my 1916-D MS64FB, 1918-D MS65FB, 1942/1 MS64FB, and a 1945 in a 65 no bands holder that I thought was a cinch lock full bands dime on the recent walk through special. The 16-D, 18-D, 42/1 all cam back the same. The 45 made 65 full bands, woohoo!!! I already have a 66FB 45, so after a visit to CAC, the 65FB dime will be for sale.
Also today I submitted 22 more dimes, all of my remaining 64FB, 65FB, 65+FB, 66FB, & 66+FB dimes. Feel like I'm on a roll here.
I have to give credit to Madhatter, the owner of the MercMadness #1 set. He's the one who's been telling me I had upgrades in my set & I should get them. Best advice I've ever received thus far! Thanks Madhatter!!!
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Maybe sometime in the future ???
Keyman,
In response to me collecting varieties, if that is going to happen, it's a long way down the road. I have enough challenges just upgrading my current sets! I was the under bidder on the recent 1920-D MS66FB in the Legend Auction. Had I known then what I know now, I would have bid higher! When I submit my MS67FB & MS67+FB dimes, I will get the variety attribution on my 45-S with the inverted S.
Wayne
www.waynedriskillminiatures.com
@MFeld
I still can't visualize what a tab-toned 45-S looks like. I don't understand how storage reverse-down would create tab-toning on the reverses. An image would help. I'm going to check HA images on the off chance....
@remunc
I'd dispute your "March of Dimes" theory. I remember those when I was a kid. Every week you added another dime. From pocket change. I find it difficult to accept that someone had a virgin roll of any date that was used, progressively, week after week, to fill up a board.
@MFeld -
I checked Heritage Archives and found many many 1945-S 10c in NGC MS68 with similar toning patterns on the reverse. A beautiful bright circular "rainbow" pattern that has some brightness in the center. If this is typical of the group (assuming it's the right group), is this pattern what you consider "tab-toning"?
Maybe they weren’t stored reverse-down?
Below are links to a few that are representative of what I remember - I believe that part of the bank holders had covered the centers of the reverses.
https://coins.ha.com/itm/mercury-dimes/dimes/1945-s-10c-ms68-ngc-ngc-census-360-3-pcgs-population-1-0-mintage-41-920-000-numismedia-wsl-price-for-problem-fre/a/1222-7272.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515
https://coins.ha.com/itm/mercury-dimes/dimes/1945-s-10c-ms68-ngc-ngc-census-359-3-pcgs-population-1-0-mintage-41-920-000-numismedia-wsl-price-for-problem-fre/a/1181-9719.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515
https://coins.ha.com/itm/mercury-dimes/dimes/1945-s-10c-ms68-ngc-ngc-census-359-3-pcgs-population-1-0-mintage-41-920-000-numismedia-wsl-price-for-problem-fre/a/1188-7600.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515
https://coins.ha.com/itm/mercury-dimes/dimes/1945-s-10c-ms68-ngc-ngc-census-359-3-pcgs-population-1-0-mintage-41-920-000-numismedia-wsl-price-for-problem-fre/a/1169-9329.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
I checked the Archives and found much the same examples as you did. Whatever the cause, the toning is not in the form of a tab of any sort. I'll assume the coins were submitted in flips. Storage reverse up or down can only be speculated.
Semantics a la bas; that's toning in a rainbow pattern with beautiful color progression.
Likely the first time you've been wrong we've disagreed in years.
Perhaps I was mistaken in thinking we had the same definition of “tab toning”. I believe that a vertical tab held the coins in place in their paper/cardboard bank holders and that’s why there’s a very similar shaped/sized lighter or untoned patch at the center of the reverses. I can’t say that I know I’m correct and sadly, I don’t recall how the coins were submitted. If I see or talk to a former co-grader at NGC, I’ll ask if he remembers more.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
I'll assume the coins were handled according to standard NGC protocols. That means submitted in flips. We'll never know the answer might be about those boards. If the "tabs" were in contact with the coins, the toning would conform to the shape of the "tab" and be darker than the rest of the surfaces. Your examples are the opposite and strongly suggest gas seepage forming inwardly from the rims.
But -- Let's debate some more and distract from @remumc's accomplishment
Correct, I stated it backwards/opposite - apologies. And with that, I’ll cease commenting on those coins, here.
And apologies to @remumc for the thread hijack.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
The side debate was interesting ... but the initial post and follow up is the real meat and potatoes.
Congratulations Wayne! Great eye, great submission, and a deserving ascension for you and your collection!
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Received more Mercury dime grades today. I submitted my 1916-D MS64FB, 1918-D MS65FB, 1942/1 MS64FB, and a 1945 in a 65 no bands holder that I thought was a cinch lock full bands dime on the recent walk through special. The 16-D, 18-D, 42/1 all cam back the same. The 45 made 65 full bands, woohoo!!! I already have a 66FB 45, so after a visit to CAC, the 65FB dime will be for sale.
Also today I submitted 22 more dimes, all of my remaining 64FB, 65FB, 65+FB, 66FB, & 66+FB dimes. Feel like I'm on a roll here.
I have to give credit to Madhatter, the owner of the MercMadness #1 set. He's the one who's been telling me I had upgrades in my set & I should get them. Best advice I've ever received thus far! Thanks Madhatter!!!
Wayne
www.waynedriskillminiatures.com
That’s a pretty epic upgrade for a 1945, congrats! And since you are able to sell it, it can help fund other things. So cool.
Looking for Top Pop Mercury Dime Varieties & High Grade Mercury Dime Toners.
Thanks Keyman, that's my plan!
Wayne
www.waynedriskillminiatures.com