Thoughts, opinions on these two 1935 Peace $'s
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I have no affiliation with either but would love to hear thoughts on each and any opinions you have.
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Cleaner obv. on the first coin, but crisper obv. strike on the 2nd. But a better rev strike on the 1st coin. Rust color toning on the first coin is a little negative to me. Both nice, would need to see in hand if I was buying one.
Top looks 67, bottom 65+ . Top looks like it was stored in a leather pouch. 1935 comes nice.
I’m no expert but I like them both. The toning on the first is more neutral for me but the obverse looks nice.
I prefer the first one without the darker areas on the portrait.
Overall the first coin is slightly cleaner in terms of marks, but I find that tone to be rather ugly so I'd go for the second, that all depends on price of course.
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I like the first one more.
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I prefer the first one, and have no problem whatsoever with the toning. Surprised no one has brought up the partial fingerprint above GOD on the second example.
Both are excellent examples IMO.
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Both are really nice.
The 35-Philly coin is one that generally comes very, very nice. Both of these coins look great, but each has a few minor problems. THE focal point on the Peace dollar is the cheek and the first coin is impeccable there. I also like that the neck and neck truncation are clean. That's actually a bit hard to find. There are a few little ticks on the eagle, but there almost always are at least a few. The only negatives to this coin are some neutral-to-slightly negative toning. It's not distracting on the obverse, but the reverse is a bit splotchy for my taste..... maybe even an old dip that wasn't neutralized well. I see this as a 65 or 65+ coin.
The second coin in the NGC holder has the blast white look that many Peace collectors (and the market) seem to prefer. There's nothing horrible on the cheek - just a couple light luster breaks and one little hit on the eagle. I'm guessing this is in a 66 holder. There's a little planchet chatter in the central high areas of the eagle and hair that the strike didn't completely eliminate. Nice frost. Nice luster.
I'd prefer the first one
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I was going to comment a little, but @BryceM said it better than I think I would have, and I agree with him.
Both are nice.
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1) 66+ --- via what appears to be a truly 67 obverse.; 66 rev based on a few ticks on the ray below AR. Also, that coin is aglow
2) 65 --- light cheekbone scuff, few ticks in field. Likely dipped based on vestigial fingerprint pattern and yellowish translucent toning, frost break/scuff? down length of eagle's leading leg.
Those are two very nice examples. I prefer the first one, due to the nearly impeccable obverse. And while I understand that some viewers won’t like the toning, it doesn’t bother me. My grade guesses are 66+ (edited to add: at a minimum), followed by a 66.
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I prefer the first example much more than the second. Nice coins!
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I like both but prefer the first. The obv is great. There is a hit above TRVST but I still really like that obv best. So clean of luster breaks. I'm not a fan of the toning but I wonder if it would dip off.
I'm not a fan of the hit across the tail feathers on the reverse of the second coin or the luster breaks on the obv.
That's nitpicking really, I'd be a proud owner of either.
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The first one is better preserved than any Peace Dollar I have ever seen, but I am not a big Peace Dollar guy. I’ll bet it’s graded MS-67 or even 68. The second on is exceptional, but not quite as nice. I would guess MS-65+.
Top one is in serious need of a dip.
Both appear 65ish. Top could go 66 once you get all the nasty removed from her. Congrats!
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The first one is exceptionally nice for a Peace Dollar. That would be my choice.
I'm not sure I understand the game. Is it about the toning?
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I like the clean cheek on the first coin better than the banger strike on the second... the toning doesn't bother me at all...
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Great #1 MS67
2nd is MS65
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I prefer the second one... I do not like the tarnish on the first one. The hits on the reverse rays bother me more than the hit on the eagles tail as well. Cheers, RickO
If you need to dip the first one, I'd do what I could to keep it out of your hands. That coin is great the way it is. A dip would knock a lot of money off its value. The coin is 86 years old. Silver tones. It's a fact of life.
The first coin is beautiful. The kind of high end Peace Dollar a lot of collectors would love. Strike is great on both. Fewer marks on the first one. I would take the toning on the first one over the luster breaks on the second, but that is just a personal opinion.
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Doing a quick bit of research, Heritage sold the first piece on February 25 for $63,000. It is graded MS-67.
1st one MS67
2nd one MS66
They don't come much nicer then those 2.
Revealing that sort of takes the objectivity and fun out of any other grade guesses for anyone else who wanted to participate.
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You've gotten some very good replies with excellent descriptive information. I will only say that if offered both I'd choose the first one. How much of a price difference would of course be the question to consider.
As others have already pointed out, They’re both beautiful examples in their own right.
The toning on the first is typical of the toning one might see develop if stored in a Dansco for several years.
The surfaces are nearly flawless on that one as well!
The second coin, as already mentioned, has some very minor surface marks which knock it off the perch of near perfection. Still a great coin!
I have, in my possession, several examples which don’t come close in quality, even some “whizzed” ones.
I think I have a 65, but that’s as high as mine go in the 35P.
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Some great thoughts on varying opinions on these two.
I found it very interesting that they are both top pops at MS67. The first one in pcgs (6 total) and second at ngc (7 total).
The ngc has sold at heritage 3 times with a lower final bid each time with the most recent at $8700.
The Pcgs coin sold for $54,300 more the the ngc coin. That's a lot of price variance!
That was a "gift" grade to the NGC submitter, IMO.
Yes, I think that MS-67 is at least one point too high for the second coin. I like it as an MS-65.
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Wow. I missed the grade on the top coin badly. The luster looked quite subdued to me...... The cheek and portrait are amazing. Hopefully in-hand I would have done better. I wouldn't dip it.
I still think the second coin is an MS66, but again, I think the photo makes the little ticky-tack stuff look worse than it probably is. Luster breaks sometimes look really horrible in photos when they aren't all that notable in hand.
I offer, for a comparison, a coin that I sold long ago. I bought it as a 66 and it upgraded to a 66+ before I sold it:
I like #1. I, for one, think the color is very nice. No way would I dip that coin.
I was so captivated by the 68(-ish?) obverse of the 1st coin that I went to the Heritage auction page
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The TrueView is very inaccurate in terms of color and "fuzzes up" surface distractions. A pity. I liked that color immensely.
The slab image is headlight blast white with a touch at the rims and exceptionally pleasing, but there are two marks on the bird that are more severe than the three on that ray. On both sides, numerous scatterings of sparkle-sprinkles rise above the sub-liminal level to microscopically but persistently distract.
edited to add: Consider this as micro-grading. The coin is simply a moose of a different color.
"Numerous scatterings of sparkle-sprinkles rise above the sub-liminal level to microscopically but persistently distract."
Now THAT is a description that transcends the coin itself.
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I like my PCGS 65 better than the NGC 67 in the OP.
Long time lurker, but this thread finally pulled me in to comment...
The first coin shown has bothered me for some time so I was thrilled to see this post. As other commenters mentioned, the surfaces look great (although the forum version in the OP above is a bit blurry, obscuring some of the imperfections), but the spot on the chin has always bothered me. I believe this coin was previously sold multiple times under a different ID number (and grade). This isn’t unusual (nor do I take issue with that, it’s fun to try to track this!), but comparing the old and new photos I always thought it looked like someone applied putty to the hit on the chin. Now not only did it get another clean grading but it was also upgraded so I’m almost certainly wrong, but I still have never been able to figure out exactly what is going on with the chin. Any thoughts from others for my personal education would be greatly appreciated.
I can edit this comment to add a link to an earlier auction listing to show what I’m talking about, but I’m not sure if this would be violating any forum rules, written or unwritten (if not, please let me know and I’ll make the change).
This thread didn't ask to guess the grade. It simply asked for comments.
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I’m well aware of that. However, the OP wrote “... would love to hear thoughts on each and any opinions you have”.
He could have shown pictures of the coins in their holders, yet chose not to. Perhaps he was seeking thoughts and opinions from posters who were unaware of the assigned grades.
As I think you might already know 😉 thoughts and opinions pertaining to coins tend to include condition/grade.
And not surprisingly, multiple posters had already mentioned grades. In fact, one of those posters was the same person who ended up revealing the grade.
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Yes, many people chose to GTG. I, for one, was confused from the beginning as to what the point of the thread was as it didn't directly ask us to GTG or "which would you prefer". It now seems that the point was whether we thought the two coins should have graded the same. Maybe?
I'm glad the coins were finally outed so I could finally see what the point was supposed to be. Maybe...
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