I bid on one lot (not this one) up to 2.5 times estimate and lost. I’m not stretching for books anymore. Once the mania dies down, so will book prices.
At the end of the day, I’m a coin (and medal) collector, not a book collector.
Not long ago I bought a coin from @MrEureka that belonged to the Quadras Vidal y Ramón collection. But I did not own a copy of the catalogue so I bought one soon after the coin. Here it is que the hand written tag of the coin on top. Super cool!
@Abuelo said:
Not long ago I bought a coin from @MrEureka that belonged to the Quadras Vidal y Ramón collection. But I did not own a copy of the catalogue so I bought one soon after the coin. Here it is que the hand written tag of the coin on top. Super cool!
And if you look at the plates in the catalog, you'll see that the numbers under each photo are handwritten by the same person who created the roundels. So double super cool!
Andy Lustig
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
@pruebas said:
I bid on one lot (not this one) up to 2.5 times estimate and lost. I’m not stretching for books anymore. Once the mania dies down, so will book prices.
At the end of the day, I’m a coin (and medal) collector, not a book collector.
So you must have more coins than books, right?
Andy Lustig
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
@pruebas said:
I bid on one lot (not this one) up to 2.5 times estimate and lost. I’m not stretching for books anymore. Once the mania dies down, so will book prices.
At the end of the day, I’m a coin (and medal) collector, not a book collector.
So you must have more coins than books, right?
By far!
But funny thing, when coming back from Mexico, it's the books that cause all the problems, not the coins.
I thought coin collectors were supposed to have it easy? Small, light objects that are easily transportable. Then why is my luggage always over the weight limit?
Nice! Always wanted the Farouk catalog, but never managed to snag one.
I tried for the Pogue hardbound edition, but it ended up at $4200! Even the softbound edition sold for $1320. See my comment about being a coin collector, not a book collector....
Notice the entire Farouk collection was sold over 9 days. Today, the same number of lots would be sold in one Heritage session.
@pruebas said:
Nice! Always wanted the Farouk catalog, but never managed to snag one.
I tried for the Pogue hardbound edition, but it ended up at $4200! Even the softbound edition sold for $1320. See my comment about being a coin collector, not a book collector....
Notice the entire Farouk collection was sold over 9 days. Today, the same number of lots would be sold in one Heritage session.
There are lots of Mexican patterns plated in the catalog. I'll sell you mine for $1300.
@pruebas said:
Nice! Always wanted the Farouk catalog, but never managed to snag one.
I tried for the Pogue hardbound edition, but it ended up at $4200! Even the softbound edition sold for $1320. See my comment about being a coin collector, not a book collector....
Notice the entire Farouk collection was sold over 9 days. Today, the same number of lots would be sold in one Heritage session.
The trick is to find a priced and named copy. I presume that's what Pogue's was, and why it brought $4200.
Andy Lustig
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
I tracked down a few books from the bibliography of my recent acquisition. The copy of Prober's Historia Numismatica de Guatemala is a rebound library copy so I photographed a plate instead of the plain cover. Fortunately, according to the paper card left inside, nobody ever checked it out so it remains in pristine condition.
I have found that I am an information collector, not really a book collector. I tend to buy books still in copyright (that I cannot find digitally), books that have not been digitized, plus a few classics I just want to have in print.
For example, my most recent book purchase, a priced and sourced Parson's 1954 auction by Glendining, contained a lot of British Empire and Canadian coinage that was important to what I study.
Numismatic author & owner of the Uncommon Cents collections. 2011 Fred Bowman award winner, 2020 J. Douglas Ferguson award winner, & 2022 Paul Fiocca award winner.
I love how in Calberto the source of the coin is also noted in the comments. So helpful in tracing the provenance of pieces. My 1764-G 8R comes from and is plated in Calberto.
@pruebas said:
Nice! Always wanted the Farouk catalog, but never managed to snag one.
I tried for the Pogue hardbound edition, but it ended up at $4200! Even the softbound edition sold for $1320. See my comment about being a coin collector, not a book collector....
Notice the entire Farouk collection was sold over 9 days. Today, the same number of lots would be sold in one Heritage session.
The trick is to find a priced and named copy. I presume that's what Pogue's was, and why it brought $4200.
There is also an offprint, with the prices realized, that is occasionally available. Also note that there is a reprint edition of the sales catalogue that looks VERY similar to the original (the difference is mostly in the spine), but is much cheaper.
Member: EAC, NBS, C4, CWTS, ANA
RMR: 'Wer, wenn ich schriee, hörte mich denn aus der Engel Ordnungen?'
Picked up this Kienast signed Karl Goetz reference book this year. Has a few addendum slips within. Smells old and musty which adds something authentic to flipping the pages.
@WildIdea said:
Picked up this Kienast signed Karl Goetz reference book up this year. Has a few addendum slips within. Smells old and musty which adds something authentic to flipping the pages.
It's also kind of neat that it came from the library of author and numismatist, John S. Davenport.
Your medals are beautiful.
I remember hearing that when Davenport retired to Florida, he kept his books in a detached garage/outbuilding and after he passed, it was found that most of his books got water damaged like this.
After writing the above, I started wondering where I had heard that story. Then it came to me.
If you're the least bit interested, go here and scroll down to the bottom of the page. "How not to store books in Miami." Interesting read (and Alan ended up with a very fine library, which he regrettably sold ten years ago).
@pruebas said:
After writing the above, I started wondering where I had heard that story. Then it came to me.
If you're the least bit interested, go here and scroll down to the bottom of the page. "How not to store books in Miami." Interesting read (and Alan ended up with a very fine library, which he regrettably sold ten years ago).
Gosh, what a shame to have allowed that material to go to waist. It would have been much better to donate those items right from the start rather than store them in such poor conditions.
I guess that makes WildIdea's book a bit of a rarity, given only the best of the worst were able to be salvaged.
Thanks for sharing it was an interesting read and at the same time a worthwhile reminder to not just preserve our coins but the books and knowledge passed down along with them. I have explained a number of times to my girls that a good number of the books I have are quite hard to find, with some being rather expensive, though I'm still not sure it's resonated with them.
@pruebas said:
After writing the above, I started wondering where I had heard that story. Then it came to me.
If you're the least bit interested, go here and scroll down to the bottom of the page. "How not to store books in Miami." Interesting read (and Alan ended up with a very fine library, which he regrettably sold ten years ago).
Gosh, what a shame to have allowed that material to go to waist. It would have been much better to donate those items right from the start rather than store them in such poor conditions.
I guess that makes WildIdea's book a bit of a rarity, given only the best of the worst were able to be salvaged.
Thanks for sharing it was an interesting read and at the same time a worthwhile reminder to not just preserve our coins but the books and knowledge passed down along with them. I have explained a number of times to my girls that a good number of the books I have are quite hard to find, with some being rather expensive, though I'm still not sure it's resonated with them.
Now @WildIdea has the story to go with the book! I bet that book was one of the ones shipped to KP and got sold when KP was sold.
Thanks @JohnnyCache and @pruebas for the feedback and information! I’m pleased that you are able to shed some additional light on this manual. Of coarse I love knowing it was previously owned by Davenport and thrilled to get to be the one who gives it its second life. The water damage is mostly towards the lower front 1/4 of the book, no pages are bonded and the slight odor is like an old book aught to smell. It’s a paper smell not anything like cat pee or anything rank. To me this adds to the ambiance of looking at this particular material. There is defiantly a (rather strong) physical connection to the past I can feel, especially if I’m viewing medals with it.
As an avid Goetz collector, I have a vol 1 & 2 reprints which are great. Those are really all one needs and after comparing the two I find the photos of the reprints spot on, thanks @cacheman. With the relatively high cost of first editions, when one is offered I’ve always opted to rather buy a medal instead of tie up money in an expensive reference I don’t need. Still, I do searches and this one popped up on eBay as an auction and it closed for around 180.00 with shipping. Thanks to who listed and sold it, it’s perfect for me! It made sense for me to go for it as it’s basically an artifact of its own now and adds a level of depth to my collection.
@pruebas said:
I remember hearing that when Davenport retired to Florida, he kept his books in a detached garage/outbuilding and after he passed, it was found that most of his books got water damaged like this.
I am not surprised. I grew up in Coral Gables (a suburb of Miami). We had a floor safe, set in a concrete shaft, and I put my coins in there when I went off to graduate school in California and then just left them there for years afterward. Many of the coins were in soft vinyl flips, and were full of greenish goo when I pulled everything out years later (around 17 years later). The heat and humidity did a job on the RD and RB coppers as well. That was an expensive lesson.
Member: EAC, NBS, C4, CWTS, ANA
RMR: 'Wer, wenn ich schriee, hörte mich denn aus der Engel Ordnungen?'
Managed to locate a nearly new copy of “Roman Coins”, a sizable (10”x12” pages) book by J.P.C. Kent (comprehensive attribution notes) and Max & Albert Hirner (photographers of 780 truly gorgeous plates). [Thames & Hudson 1978] This sits proudly on my coffee table for now, until it’s eventual migration to my numismatic bookcase!
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@pruebas said:
Let's see how the new library turned out!
It’s basically a closet right now while all of the furniture; shelves, desk are no order. Should be end of this month. Now my wife quit her job and will be taking my library for her full time office for her new role.
Guess that ok as I spend her salary on coins anyways.
I have this one. And many others. I keep adding books to my numismatic library that now contains a lot of volumes on paper money as well.
Regarding the book vs coin collector, I’ve never considered myself a (coin) book collector. If I were, I’d be concerned with keeping some old books in mint state and I would have never touched them. Instead, when I’ve purchased my most valuable coin book some 20 years ago (and up until that time, because more came later), a 1932 copy of the Greek Ministry of Finances and only the third original copy to have surfaced at that point (SPINK , nineties, £250), I took it immediately to a true artist, who transformed it from a mint state soft cover (but hanging on to that state by a thread, with its pages still uncut), to a nice hard cover copy with a French soft dark green leather cover that I had chosen and with nicely engraved incuse letters , that was now saved for good and most of all, it could be read without the fear of it becoming a piece of trash.
I’m guessing that a real book collector wouldn’t approve that, since I’ve forever changed the looks of the original book, even if I’ve used the best materials and craftsman that I could find, in order to save it for future generations and to be able to read it.
Still, I have a truly extensive numismatic library , which almost doubled down when I’ve started adding paper money editions, many of which were in the form of extremely luxurious and gigantic coffee table books and the vast majority of which are newly printed editions (but not common at all, in fact most of them were printed in an extremely small number of copies and most of them have long been out of print) , as well as many significant catalogues of past auctions, that for some weird reason are not part of my numismatic library per se; I consider them as an additional category apart, not real books but essential references to look at , not counting the fact that I’m extremely selective with catalogues, because I still receive so many per year, but unfortunately there is only so much space for them.
Most of them will inevitably end up in my numismatic club, or offered for free to other collectors and if I still cannot find any takers, a lot of them will find their way to the recycle bin. Oh well.
Note to self: add images of some rare volumes later.
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Let’s see a few pages from the inside !
I give away money. I collect money.
I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.
Yes please do.
NFL: Buffalo Bills & Green Bay Packers
Hasn’t arrived yet. Auction was today.
Latin American Collection
I bid on one lot (not this one) up to 2.5 times estimate and lost. I’m not stretching for books anymore. Once the mania dies down, so will book prices.
At the end of the day, I’m a coin (and medal) collector, not a book collector.
I got a new one yesterday.
Mexico circulation coins, book from 2008
Coinsof1984@martinb6830 on twitter
I bought a few days ago an 1880 numismatic book dedicated to the coinage of the french king Jean II le Bon (the Good) - (1350-1364)
Thanks to Yorkshireman!
Oh and a brood X bonus.
A: The year they spend more on their library than their coin collection.
A numismatist is judged more on the content of their library than the content of their cabinet.
Not long ago I bought a coin from @MrEureka that belonged to the Quadras Vidal y Ramón collection. But I did not own a copy of the catalogue so I bought one soon after the coin. Here it is que the hand written tag of the coin on top. Super cool!
And if you look at the plates in the catalog, you'll see that the numbers under each photo are handwritten by the same person who created the roundels. So double super cool!
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
Yes indeed @MrEureka
So you must have more coins than books, right?
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
By far!
But funny thing, when coming back from Mexico, it's the books that cause all the problems, not the coins.
I thought coin collectors were supposed to have it easy? Small, light objects that are easily transportable. Then why is my luggage always over the weight limit?
A couple of new catalogs for the library
8 Reales Madness Collection
Latin American Collection
Latin American Collection
Nice! Always wanted the Farouk catalog, but never managed to snag one.
I tried for the Pogue hardbound edition, but it ended up at $4200! Even the softbound edition sold for $1320. See my comment about being a coin collector, not a book collector....
Notice the entire Farouk collection was sold over 9 days. Today, the same number of lots would be sold in one Heritage session.
There are lots of Mexican patterns plated in the catalog. I'll sell you mine for $1300.
Latin American Collection
The trick is to find a priced and named copy. I presume that's what Pogue's was, and why it brought $4200.
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
I tracked down a few books from the bibliography of my recent acquisition. The copy of Prober's Historia Numismatica de Guatemala is a rebound library copy so I photographed a plate instead of the plain cover. Fortunately, according to the paper card left inside, nobody ever checked it out so it remains in pristine condition.
There is a set for sale on ebay (NOT ME)
Calbeto de Grau, Gabriel. Compendio De Las Piezas De Ocho Reales. San Juan, 1970
Charles III Album
Charles III Portrait Set
Charles IV Album
Charles IV Portrait Set
Spanish Colonial Pillar Set
Great value, if you don’t mind the condition.
I have found that I am an information collector, not really a book collector. I tend to buy books still in copyright (that I cannot find digitally), books that have not been digitized, plus a few classics I just want to have in print.
For example, my most recent book purchase, a priced and sourced Parson's 1954 auction by Glendining, contained a lot of British Empire and Canadian coinage that was important to what I study.
http://www.victoriancent.com
I love how in Calberto the source of the coin is also noted in the comments. So helpful in tracing the provenance of pieces. My 1764-G 8R comes from and is plated in Calberto.
Latin American Collection
There is also an offprint, with the prices realized, that is occasionally available. Also note that there is a reprint edition of the sales catalogue that looks VERY similar to the original (the difference is mostly in the spine), but is much cheaper.
RMR: 'Wer, wenn ich schriee, hörte mich denn aus der Engel Ordnungen?'
CJ: 'No one!' [Ain't no angels in the coin biz]
Picked up this Kienast signed Karl Goetz reference book this year. Has a few addendum slips within. Smells old and musty which adds something authentic to flipping the pages.
It's also kind of neat that it came from the library of author and numismatist, John S. Davenport.
Your medals are beautiful.
Charles III Album
Charles III Portrait Set
Charles IV Album
Charles IV Portrait Set
Spanish Colonial Pillar Set
I remember hearing that when Davenport retired to Florida, he kept his books in a detached garage/outbuilding and after he passed, it was found that most of his books got water damaged like this.
After writing the above, I started wondering where I had heard that story. Then it came to me.
If you're the least bit interested, go here and scroll down to the bottom of the page. "How not to store books in Miami." Interesting read (and Alan ended up with a very fine library, which he regrettably sold ten years ago).
Gosh, what a shame to have allowed that material to go to waist. It would have been much better to donate those items right from the start rather than store them in such poor conditions.
I guess that makes WildIdea's book a bit of a rarity, given only the best of the worst were able to be salvaged.
Thanks for sharing it was an interesting read and at the same time a worthwhile reminder to not just preserve our coins but the books and knowledge passed down along with them. I have explained a number of times to my girls that a good number of the books I have are quite hard to find, with some being rather expensive, though I'm still not sure it's resonated with them.
Charles III Album
Charles III Portrait Set
Charles IV Album
Charles IV Portrait Set
Spanish Colonial Pillar Set
Now @WildIdea has the story to go with the book! I bet that book was one of the ones shipped to KP and got sold when KP was sold.
I wish I was active when Luedeking sold his library. I would love the Medina’s. Did @MrEureka end up with the Fonrobert bid book?
Latin American Collection
Thanks @JohnnyCache and @pruebas for the feedback and information! I’m pleased that you are able to shed some additional light on this manual. Of coarse I love knowing it was previously owned by Davenport and thrilled to get to be the one who gives it its second life. The water damage is mostly towards the lower front 1/4 of the book, no pages are bonded and the slight odor is like an old book aught to smell. It’s a paper smell not anything like cat pee or anything rank. To me this adds to the ambiance of looking at this particular material. There is defiantly a (rather strong) physical connection to the past I can feel, especially if I’m viewing medals with it.
As an avid Goetz collector, I have a vol 1 & 2 reprints which are great. Those are really all one needs and after comparing the two I find the photos of the reprints spot on, thanks @cacheman. With the relatively high cost of first editions, when one is offered I’ve always opted to rather buy a medal instead of tie up money in an expensive reference I don’t need. Still, I do searches and this one popped up on eBay as an auction and it closed for around 180.00 with shipping. Thanks to who listed and sold it, it’s perfect for me! It made sense for me to go for it as it’s basically an artifact of its own now and adds a level of depth to my collection.
I am not surprised. I grew up in Coral Gables (a suburb of Miami). We had a floor safe, set in a concrete shaft, and I put my coins in there when I went off to graduate school in California and then just left them there for years afterward. Many of the coins were in soft vinyl flips, and were full of greenish goo when I pulled everything out years later (around 17 years later). The heat and humidity did a job on the RD and RB coppers as well. That was an expensive lesson.
RMR: 'Wer, wenn ich schriee, hörte mich denn aus der Engel Ordnungen?'
CJ: 'No one!' [Ain't no angels in the coin biz]
Yes, along with some other very interesting things. Probably including a couple of Medinas, but I'd have to check by notes.
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
I've added a few lately, but all US stuff...
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Managed to locate a nearly new copy of “Roman Coins”, a sizable (10”x12” pages) book by J.P.C. Kent (comprehensive attribution notes) and Max & Albert Hirner (photographers of 780 truly gorgeous plates). [Thames & Hudson 1978] This sits proudly on my coffee table for now, until it’s eventual migration to my numismatic bookcase!
My new library after listing the house with my custom built library. Excuse the boxes, just moved in.
Latin American Collection
New house already?!
Those shelves aren’t going to hold much weight. And besides, there aren’t enough of them. You need a new new house with a proper library.
wha?! listing the house with the custom built library? for us paying attention to the library saga, this is a bummer
50% appreciation in 6 months = sell sell sell
Latin American Collection
well then the forum expects all profits to be reinvested in exceptional Guatemalan 4s
Added another Medina from a seller n Chile.
Latin American Collection
Let's see how the new library turned out!
It’s basically a closet right now while all of the furniture; shelves, desk are no order. Should be end of this month. Now my wife quit her job and will be taking my library for her full time office for her new role.
Guess that ok as I spend her salary on coins anyways.
Latin American Collection
I heard the supply chain/labor issues have hit furniture makers too. I ordered a piece in November and it’s due in May!
Maybe you are going to need a bigger house?
Been on order for months as well
Latin American Collection
The second one had 9 volumes.it is a big book.
A little venture outside the norm
Still waiting for this book to arrive via media mail
the token book arrived recently
Charles III Album
Charles III Portrait Set
Charles IV Album
Charles IV Portrait Set
Spanish Colonial Pillar Set
I have this one. And many others. I keep adding books to my numismatic library that now contains a lot of volumes on paper money as well.
Regarding the book vs coin collector, I’ve never considered myself a (coin) book collector. If I were, I’d be concerned with keeping some old books in mint state and I would have never touched them. Instead, when I’ve purchased my most valuable coin book some 20 years ago (and up until that time, because more came later), a 1932 copy of the Greek Ministry of Finances and only the third original copy to have surfaced at that point (SPINK , nineties, £250), I took it immediately to a true artist, who transformed it from a mint state soft cover (but hanging on to that state by a thread, with its pages still uncut), to a nice hard cover copy with a French soft dark green leather cover that I had chosen and with nicely engraved incuse letters , that was now saved for good and most of all, it could be read without the fear of it becoming a piece of trash.
I’m guessing that a real book collector wouldn’t approve that, since I’ve forever changed the looks of the original book, even if I’ve used the best materials and craftsman that I could find, in order to save it for future generations and to be able to read it.
Still, I have a truly extensive numismatic library , which almost doubled down when I’ve started adding paper money editions, many of which were in the form of extremely luxurious and gigantic coffee table books and the vast majority of which are newly printed editions (but not common at all, in fact most of them were printed in an extremely small number of copies and most of them have long been out of print) , as well as many significant catalogues of past auctions, that for some weird reason are not part of my numismatic library per se; I consider them as an additional category apart, not real books but essential references to look at , not counting the fact that I’m extremely selective with catalogues, because I still receive so many per year, but unfortunately there is only so much space for them.
Most of them will inevitably end up in my numismatic club, or offered for free to other collectors and if I still cannot find any takers, a lot of them will find their way to the recycle bin. Oh well.
Note to self: add images of some rare volumes later.
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