1795 Flowing Hair Dollar
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This 1795 dollar has primarily silver/grey surfaces with a bit of light brown, no visible hairlines or other obvious signs of cleaning.
The Pictures reflect fairly accurately the way it looks in hand.
I am inclined to think that, if at all, it may have been dipped long ago since otherwise the toning would (should?) be much more intense and darker.
What is your opinion? and specifically, do you think it would grade straight?
Ex. B&M in the mid 80's. Variety Bolender-5 (one of the most common for the type).
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Looks to me like it has been dipped and that it would likely straight-grade.
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Likely cleaned a long time ago (dipped perhaps?) but there are no hairlines that I can see from the photo... it looks like a nice piece. I'm sure others that have actually worked for a TPG service will weigh in on this one...
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Cool coin.
Looks old.
The coin looks like it's been dipped, if not lightly cleaned by other means. But it also looks as if it would straight grade.
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My guess is that it was gently cleaned with baking soda several decades ago, and that it has since retoned both naturally and attractively. It has a good chance of straight grading.
Looks similar to one I owned. It will straight grade.
I like it. Not original but most coins from that era have been messed with. I think it would straight grade. History in your hands and a really cool design.
Nice coin!
Many of the people here expressing opinions that it will straight-grade are world-class numismatists. I can't add much to their opinions, other than this:
I would love to own that coin - what a piece of history.
I hope it straight grades in spite of an ancient cleaning.
I would be proud to own it whatever it may grade
I think you are right, and that the coin probably will straight grade.
The question to me is why it is not in a holder currently as a fairly expensive coin? Pleasing surfaces, no problems.
I think it should grade straight, maybe 35-40? Nice!
Yesterday, I helped submit a client’s rare coin for grading. It’s easily worth $40,000 plus and among the finest known. It had been tucked away for decades in a bank box.
There are far more valuable, problem-free, ungraded coins out there than a number of forum members seem to realize.
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About 15 years ago, someone walked into a friend's coin shop with a silver-centered cent. Raw. Wrapped in paper in a tin. It had been in their family since it was given to their ancestor in 1793. It was eventually slabbed and sold for $400,000. If they hadn't wanted to sell it, it would STILL be in the safety deposit box, wrapped in paper, sitting in a tin.
Absence of plastic is proof of nothing.
Because the OP bought it in the 80s when NOTHING was slabbed and he still owns it.
EF45
market acceptable and above avg if not completely unmolested. It has been significant for a long time and treated well
Better than mine
11.5$ Southern Dollars, The little “Big Easy” set
The coin was dipped at one time, and has come back nicely. It's exceptionally blemish-free.
Likely VF30 back in my TPG days. PCGS 40-45, no bean.
No doubt dipped, but still a very nice coin. I believe it will straight grade.
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My sincere thanks for the many answers.
This will be one of the coins I will want to submit for grading.
Both PCGS and NGC offer their services in Europe - Since I have never had any coins slabbed, I just need to overcome the fear of loss in the mail or elsewhere....
Has anybody here had experience in submitting coins to PCGS in Europe? I would appreciate any tips. If necessary, I will take the coins personally.
I've actually heard that question over and over again on valuable raw coins and it is a good question, why isn't it certified? The reasons are many to get a coin certified, and concerns arise with uncertified coins
If you are debating between submission to PCGS or NGC, I would recommend PCGS. I have coins graded by both services, and registry sets at both services, but at this point in time imho PCGS is winning the game- they grade a little tougher but at this price point buyers are also more selective when choosing coins. I happen to own the finest known 1795 $ (MS66 CAC Bullowa-Pogue coin), in fact it’s my avatar, and as of about three years ago I am no longer buying coins in NGC holders.
A very nice coin... It will straight grade. As far as conjecture about not being slabbed yet....well, as others have stated...there are coins in SDB's, jewelry boxes, trunks in attics, and many other storage devices. Many people have old coins passed down to them, and do not even know grading services exist. There is a whole world out there, beyond our little numismatic circle. Cheers, RickO
Nice coin
No kidding it's been dipped.
Probably about 20 times at least in 225 years.
Still not an issue with me as I'd buy it if the price is right.
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What a neat coin. The ever-so-slight rim issue (at 10 on the obverse) won't prevent a straight grade. I'd think VF35 on an OK day, XF40 on a decent one.
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I think I agree with almost all the assessments here, but wanted to comment just the same since I missed this.
It's a great looking coin, with fantastic detail remaining and mostly mark free. Count me in the EF camp.
Original? No, but I certainly feel it has recovered some, and agree that it will straight grade. I would also suggest you send it to our host and not ATS. I think that would be the most prudent dinner jacket if you decide to sell her.
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11.5$ Southern Dollars, The little “Big Easy” set
Wow. Nice piece!
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does anyone have a value estimate with a best straight grade estimate?