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derrybderryb Posts: 36,017 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited May 4, 2021 4:23PM in Precious Metals

never mind, what could have been an informative track of spot and premiums has been removed. I'm not going to tolerate being accused of "manipulating" data by one of the trolls, especially one who spends most of his time here manipulating what is said.

"Do you hear alarm bells ringing? Neither do I. And that’s a huge problem." - Simon Black

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  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 32,039 ✭✭✭✭✭

    think there will be a difference in premium between old design and new design?

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  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,017 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Initially yes. But won't matter here, we're looking at APMEX random year prices.

    "Do you hear alarm bells ringing? Neither do I. And that’s a huge problem." - Simon Black

  • blitzdudeblitzdude Posts: 5,284 ✭✭✭✭✭

    $35.99 all you want, right here. :cookie:

    The whole worlds off its rocker, buy Gold™.

  • cohodkcohodk Posts: 18,493 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Are you quoting prices from the same time?

    Excuses are tools of the ignorant

    Knowledge is the enemy of fear

  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 32,039 ✭✭✭✭✭

    don't need a time. spot price is sufficient

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  • HigashiyamaHigashiyama Posts: 2,133 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I assume @cohodk is asking if both kitco and spot are, for example, at 12 noon EDT each day.

    Higashiyama
  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,017 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 3, 2021 5:27PM

    @cohodk said:
    Are you quoting prices from the same time?

    different time each day

    "Do you hear alarm bells ringing? Neither do I. And that’s a huge problem." - Simon Black

  • cohodkcohodk Posts: 18,493 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Higashiyama said:
    I assume @cohodk is asking if both kitco and spot are, for example, at 12 noon EDT each day.

    Does Apmex change their pricing throughout the day? Spot had a $1 move today so was the Apmex screenshot taken at the close of spot trading or this morning before spot rallied? On a day like today, when spot had an outsized move, it would be easy to manipulate the data to support a narrative. And that would be a shame.

    Excuses are tools of the ignorant

    Knowledge is the enemy of fear

  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,017 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Higashiyama said:
    I assume @cohodk is asking if both kitco and spot are, for example, at 12 noon EDT each day.

    Kitco and APMEX taken at the same time, not the same time each day

    "Do you hear alarm bells ringing? Neither do I. And that’s a huge problem." - Simon Black

  • cohodkcohodk Posts: 18,493 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @derryb said:

    @Higashiyama said:
    I assume @cohodk is asking if both kitco and spot are, for example, at 12 noon EDT each day.

    Kitco and APMEX taken at the same time, not the same time each day

    Excellent.

    Excuses are tools of the ignorant

    Knowledge is the enemy of fear

  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,017 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 3, 2021 6:19PM

    @cohodk said:

    @Higashiyama said:
    I assume @cohodk is asking if both kitco and spot are, for example, at 12 noon EDT each day.

    Does Apmex change their pricing throughout the day? Spot had a $1 move today so was the Apmex screenshot taken at the close of spot trading or this morning before spot rallied? On a day like today, when spot had an outsized move, it would be easy to manipulate the data to support a narrative. And that would be a shame.

    If you had bothered to look at the timestamp of the data post you would have seen that it was after 5 PM. The real shame and only manipulation I'm aware of here is the way you twist others' words and attempt to cast doubt on anyone who dares to disagree with you.

    "Do you hear alarm bells ringing? Neither do I. And that’s a huge problem." - Simon Black

  • cohodkcohodk Posts: 18,493 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 3, 2021 6:29PM

    @derryb said:

    @cohodk said:

    @Higashiyama said:
    I assume @cohodk is asking if both kitco and spot are, for example, at 12 noon EDT each day.

    Does Apmex change their pricing throughout the day? Spot had a $1 move today so was the Apmex screenshot taken at the close of spot trading or this morning before spot rallied? On a day like today, when spot had an outsized move, it would be easy to manipulate the data to support a narrative. And that would be a shame.

    If you had bothered to look at the timestamp of the post you would have seen that it was after 5 PM. The real shame and only manipulation I'm aware of here is the way you twist others' words and attempt to intimidate anyone who dares to disagree with you.

    I never said YOU manipulated the info. I was only explaining how it could be manipulated.

    Just because you posted at 5pm doesnt mean you screenshotted the Apmex at 5pm.

    I was quite interested in your post, but as you and everyone knows i fight for truth and transparency. Funny how so many always want to fight against that.

    I scrutinize data and the presentation of data. One should never be intimidated by the truth.

    Excuses are tools of the ignorant

    Knowledge is the enemy of fear

  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,017 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 3, 2021 6:34PM

    You fight to be king of the hill, don't be so insecure.

    "Do you hear alarm bells ringing? Neither do I. And that’s a huge problem." - Simon Black

  • cohodkcohodk Posts: 18,493 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @derryb said:
    You fight to be king of the hill, don't be so insecure.

    Stop with the projectionism.

    Im not here to fight you.

    Excuses are tools of the ignorant

    Knowledge is the enemy of fear

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Oh well.... There goes a useful and interesting thread. :/ Cheers, RickO

  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,017 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ricko said:
    Oh well.... There goes a useful and interesting thread. :/ Cheers, RickO

    Go for it, I don't think you are in the cross hairs.

    "Do you hear alarm bells ringing? Neither do I. And that’s a huge problem." - Simon Black

  • dcarrdcarr Posts: 7,885 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Another episode of "the world according to cohodk".

    @cohodk said:
    ... it would be easy to manipulate the data to support a narrative. ...

    BOO !

  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 32,039 ✭✭✭✭✭

    useful thread gone.

    bring it back!

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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @derryb ... :D Well, at least I am prepared... experienced firearms trainer in high level tactics and response. Cheers, RickO

  • cohodkcohodk Posts: 18,493 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 4, 2021 8:03AM

    @MsMorrisine said:
    useful thread gone.

    bring it back!

    Yup. He took his ball and went home. I thought it was a good thread....good enough to want to ensure its accuracy. I thought we would all find that important.

    Apparently the society we now live in would rather cancel logic, rationalism, reason and pragmatism. Years ago i thought this point was way off in the future, but seems its here now.

    Got polymer and steel?

    Excuses are tools of the ignorant

    Knowledge is the enemy of fear

  • taxmadtaxmad Posts: 960 ✭✭✭✭

    @cohodk said:

    Apparently the society we now live in would rather cancel logic, rationalism, reason and pragmatism. Years ago i thought this point was way off in the future, but seems its here now.

    Nice you have been able to fit in to the new normal without missing a beat...

  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,017 ✭✭✭✭✭

    He didn't go home, he just refuses to play your silly king of the hill game.

    So, who is in charge of ensuring your accuracy?

    "Do you hear alarm bells ringing? Neither do I. And that’s a huge problem." - Simon Black

  • streeterstreeter Posts: 4,312 ✭✭✭✭✭

    DB, just ignore his nonsense. Bring back the thread and do it the best you can.

    Have a nice day
  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 32,039 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 4, 2021 11:00AM

    best he can?

    this is easy and he was doing fine as it was. the questioning was overboard.

    Current maintainer of Stone's Master List of Favorite Websites // My BST transactions
  • cohodkcohodk Posts: 18,493 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @streeter said:
    DB, just ignore his nonsense. Bring back the thread and do it the best you can.

    I agree.

    Excuses are tools of the ignorant

    Knowledge is the enemy of fear

  • cohodkcohodk Posts: 18,493 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @derryb said:

    So, who is in charge of ensuring your accuracy?

    You and everyone else. Just as it should be. Would we really want less?

    Excuses are tools of the ignorant

    Knowledge is the enemy of fear

  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,017 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Not my place to call others a liar. One of you is enough.

    "Do you hear alarm bells ringing? Neither do I. And that’s a huge problem." - Simon Black

  • cohodkcohodk Posts: 18,493 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @derryb said:
    Not my place to call others a liar. One of you is enough.

    Nor mine and i never have.

    Excuses are tools of the ignorant

    Knowledge is the enemy of fear

  • WingsruleWingsrule Posts: 2,977 ✭✭✭✭

    I remember doing this years ago using spot and the prices charged by Tulving for 90%, ASEs and AGEs.

  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,017 ✭✭✭✭✭

    0 premiums at Tulving these days.

    "Do you hear alarm bells ringing? Neither do I. And that’s a huge problem." - Simon Black

  • OPAOPA Posts: 17,103 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @derryb said:
    0 premiums at Tulving these days.

    Touché....along with dozen's of other con artist bullion dealers over the years.

    "Bongo drive 1984 Lincoln that looks like old coin dug from ground."
  • AzurescensAzurescens Posts: 2,665 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @derryb said:

    @cohodk said:

    @Higashiyama said:
    I assume @cohodk is asking if both kitco and spot are, for example, at 12 noon EDT each day.

    Does Apmex change their pricing throughout the day? Spot had a $1 move today so was the Apmex screenshot taken at the close of spot trading or this morning before spot rallied? On a day like today, when spot had an outsized move, it would be easy to manipulate the data to support a narrative. And that would be a shame.

    If you had bothered to look at the timestamp of the data post you would have seen that it was after 5 PM. The real shame and only manipulation I'm aware of here is the way you twist others' words and attempt to cast doubt on anyone who dares to disagree with you.

    It's what paid shills do.

    PCGS is gonna lose this whole new generation of collectors. I mean they pretty much already have, but allowing problems like these to fester has never been good for anybody's bottom line. Gen Z almost doesn't even know they exist.

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