mikebyers.com Dealer in Major Mint Errors, Die Trials & Patterns - Author of NLG Best World Coin Book World's Greatest Mint Errors - Publisher & Editor of minterrornews.com.
mikebyers.com Dealer in Major Mint Errors, Die Trials & Patterns - Author of NLG Best World Coin Book World's Greatest Mint Errors - Publisher & Editor of minterrornews.com.
mikebyers.com Dealer in Major Mint Errors, Die Trials & Patterns - Author of NLG Best World Coin Book World's Greatest Mint Errors - Publisher & Editor of minterrornews.com.
Another favorite in the error archive.
My decades old new in box Edmund Scientific Magnet attracting NGC slabbed 1967 USA Cent. Miss-struck on a smaller, half weight of 1c copper, stainless steel planchet. This & a few other 1c were struck in San Francisco at The Mint back in 1967.
1967 (S) USA 1c on SS Magnet attracting Costa Rician error goodie
Savitale- mint errors have been in the headlines for 20 years, including Coin World, Coin Week and Mint Error News Magazine.
I was the featured author in the October 9, 2009 issue of The Coin Dealer Newsletter (Vol. XXXIV No. 10) with a front-page article on mint errors.
mikebyers.com Dealer in Major Mint Errors, Die Trials & Patterns - Author of NLG Best World Coin Book World's Greatest Mint Errors - Publisher & Editor of minterrornews.com.
Mike, I think your mated 1972-s dime/cent Ike is far out fantastic. For me the juxtaposition of color is wild giving it a "WOW" factor not present in the "wow" HA 105k clover. But, I have to ask, what denomination (now missing in action) makes your butterfly a clover?
MarcOne- The 2 piece mated pair definitely has the visual wow factor due to the copper cent blank being struck by Ike $ dies mated to the dime...
It’s unique and is not missing the third blank and is not part of a clover, because it’s complete as a mated pair...
Due to the positioning of both blanks in the collar, only 2 blanks ( clad dime and copper cent) fit inside the collar, making this mated pair complete.
mikebyers.com Dealer in Major Mint Errors, Die Trials & Patterns - Author of NLG Best World Coin Book World's Greatest Mint Errors - Publisher & Editor of minterrornews.com.
Unique it is. I see it now, the dime and cent take up too much of Ike to include another coin in the collar.
Congratulations! It's really cool.
An earlier post asked about about expensive errors. Has the 1851 $20 on the large cent traded recently? I'm guessing it has to be 275k or more now.
MarcOne- the $20 1851 struck on a Large Cent blank is worth $250k or more.
It’s a world class error coin too, and has been certified by NGC.
It was in my 1975 error coin catalog. I could have sold it 3x back in 1975.
Mint Error News Magazine did an article about it awhile ago...
mikebyers.com Dealer in Major Mint Errors, Die Trials & Patterns - Author of NLG Best World Coin Book World's Greatest Mint Errors - Publisher & Editor of minterrornews.com.
I anticipate a large increase on availability of these "error" type coins because someone paid $100 K+ for it.
It reminds me of when AT coins started to show up. Let the do it yourself home minting process begin. Lets see how long it takes for China to start producing them.
Wayne
@WAYNEAS said:
I anticipate a large increase on availability of these "error" type coins because someone paid $100 K+ for it.
It reminds me of when AT coins started to show up. Let the do it yourself home minting process begin. Lets see how long it takes for China to start producing them.
Wayne
Don't shortchange the US! All the AT coins are likely made in the USA
Of course, if this inspires more US Mint made errors, that's more to slab!
China produces (counterfeits) regular U.S. coins too, which are easily determined to be fakes.
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@Byers said:
China produces (counterfeits) regular U.S. coins too, which are easily determined to be fakes.
There are easy to spot counterfeits, but it also seems that many fakes are almost impossible to spot by experts. Recently, these have been coming from China but it looks like the techniques were first developed in the US by the Massapequa Mint and others. That being said, many of the deceptive counterfeits produced today are worn coins such as those posted by @burfle23, not high grade modern specimens.
oih82w8- It is NOT a typo. NGC decided to call it that. And they added UNIQUE to the insert since it’s special.
How many NGC inserts have you seen with the word UNIQUE???
Maybe 5 out of millions???
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@Byers said:
In 1972 when I was 15, my mom drove me to Lonesome John’s (John Devine) office/store/printing establishment in Newbury Park CA. He was the first full time error coin dealer.
I purchased his 3 piece proof mated Ike Dollars on nickel blanks that was a 3 leaf clover. Then my mom drove me to Dr A.K. Berry’s dental office in Alhambra CA.
Dr Berry had a world class error coin collection. He purchased it from me. The U.S. Secret Service examined it and had no interest in it.
Years later, Dr Berry’s coin collection was donated and now it resides in the ANA Museum in Colorado. It includes the 3 leaf clover of proof Ikes on nickel blanks.
Yes, I was still at ANACS when the Dr. Berry Collection came into the Museum, and the Curator at the time asked my opinion of the various pieces.
And what is your opinion of these?
Anything else memorable?
I acknowledge their legality and find them distasteful.
Numismatist. 50 year member ANA. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner numerous NLG Literary Awards.
Same thing occurred with the proof Ike on the 3 Dime blanks. NGC decided to call it a three leaf clover and also UNIQUE on the insert:
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Hey Mike, your archive pricelist is neat. The 1851 $20 on the large cent is one of my favorites. But there are so many to like!
I have one more question related to your mated Ike Dollar. Are there any other mated pairs in proof on other denominations?
Marc- Yes there are a few known proof mated pairs on Cents, Nickels, Dimes, Quarters and Halves.
But nothing like these Ike proof mated pairs!
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1madman- that proof Ike clip is extremely rare with only a few known. And in silver too!
Fred Weinberg has one on his site now:
mikebyers.com Dealer in Major Mint Errors, Die Trials & Patterns - Author of NLG Best World Coin Book World's Greatest Mint Errors - Publisher & Editor of minterrornews.com.
I own the only known proof Ike $1’s struck on the end of the planchet strip:
mikebyers.com Dealer in Major Mint Errors, Die Trials & Patterns - Author of NLG Best World Coin Book World's Greatest Mint Errors - Publisher & Editor of minterrornews.com.
Hey Mike,
I was surfing your web site. I noticed you have a 1977 Lincoln cent in aluminum certified by NGC. It's pretty neat. It could be a Pattern or a deliberately struck rarity on left over 1974/75 blanks? Maybe if it goes to ANA I can take a peek. Anyway, my question is (since this has morphed into what you have not handled) have you had an Ike dollar struck in Aluminum?
Marc- Yes I have. In 2003 I purchased a huge error coin collection including this proof Ike in aluminum!
Assuming that the ANA is still on, I will be there with my 1977 Aluminum Cent!
mikebyers.com Dealer in Major Mint Errors, Die Trials & Patterns - Author of NLG Best World Coin Book World's Greatest Mint Errors - Publisher & Editor of minterrornews.com.
Perhaps an error purposely made should be called a purposeful error or designed abnormal mint strike? What other names can we come up for these errors made explicitly to entertain the mint employee for their personal fun or profit. Certainly, these recent purposely made confabulations need their own category. Let's have fun.... what name can others come up with? The minters certainly liked to use proof dies for a bunch of these. Do we know how many recent mint employees had been charged for these activities? I had not heard of anyone charged outside of the one guy using his cigarette time that was caught. I don't believe any dealers had been held liable in the last 25 years for buying these purposely made concoctions from the offender. And certainly the mint has allowed them to remain in collectors hands after the fact so far.
Its interesting to speculate as to how many others of a more mundane off center or double struck nature were actually purposeful errors? Certainly, seems to be abundance of Ike proof errors. I guess we will never know. Perhaps rates of error frequency for different modern series (proof vs unc etc) could provide insight into what percentage were purposeful. Also interesting whether secret stockpiles of purposeful errors might slowly be released over time. Does anyone have a sense of the rate that these are appearing on the market?
I agree whether purposeful or not, they are still interesting to collectors. And the mints generosity much preffered as to allow what's out there to be out there.
GoBust- a couple of comments on your post based on my 45 years of dealing in error coins:
•Proof Ike $ error coins are very rare even though there are a few out there right now.
•As I mentioned earlier in this thread, the U.S. Secret Service authenticated and allowed the State of California to auction off a large group of U.S. proof errors that were unclaimed property. They have seen other groups of proof error coins as well and have allowed them to sell.
•NGC and PCGS have already addressed the question/ issue of descibing a U.S. proof error coin that most likely was not produced unintentionally. Both grading services still authenticate and slab these, but without a grade, and without the designation of ‘MINT ERROR’.
•An example of this is pictured below, a unique proof error coin that I bought and sold. Authenticated and Certified by NGC, it is not graded and does not say ‘MINT ERROR’.
“This unique striking is a proof mule, struck by the San Francisco Mint on a proof Ike Dollar planchet. The obverse shows Jefferson's portrait and the 1976-S date and Mint Mark. The reverse shows the design of the dime struck by either a proof Dime obverse die or hub. This is the only known U.S. coin struck in proof, with two different designs from two different denominations, on a large proof planchet.”
mikebyers.com Dealer in Major Mint Errors, Die Trials & Patterns - Author of NLG Best World Coin Book World's Greatest Mint Errors - Publisher & Editor of minterrornews.com.
Zions- NGC did add the pedigree
‘BYERS COLLECTION’ on the insert,
to mint errors from my personal collection. Here is one of them below.
I submitted the unique Ike $ proof clover leaf to NGC without requesting that, because I already knew several collectors wanted it.
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@GoBust said:
Perhaps an error purposely made should be called a purposeful error or designed abnormal mint strike? What other names can we come up for these errors made explicitly to entertain the mint employee for their personal fun or profit. Certainly, these recent purposely made confabulations need their own category. Let's have fun.... what name can others come up with? The minters certainly liked to use proof dies for a bunch of these. Do we know how many recent mint employees had been charged for these activities? I had not heard of anyone charged outside of the one guy using his cigarette time that was caught. I don't believe any dealers had been held liable in the last 25 years for buying these purposely made concoctions from the offender. And certainly the mint has allowed them to remain in collectors hands after the fact so far.
Its interesting to speculate as to how many others of a more mundane off center or double struck nature were actually purposeful errors? Certainly, seems to be abundance of Ike proof errors. I guess we will never know. Perhaps rates of error frequency for different modern series (proof vs unc etc) could provide insight into what percentage were purposeful. Also interesting whether secret stockpiles of purposeful errors might slowly be released over time. Does anyone have a sense of the rate that these are appearing on the market?
I agree whether purposeful or not, they are still interesting to collectors. And the mints generosity much preffered as to allow what's out there to be out there.
I call them Folderol Errors. Feel free to use.
Numismatist. 50 year member ANA. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner numerous NLG Literary Awards.
Zions- NGC added ‘BYERS COLLECTION’ to the unique mint errors in my personal collection.
The clover leaf came from a recent collection of mint errors and was purchased for resale, so that isn’t the same situation as designating pedigree on a personal collection...
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@Byers said:
Zions- NGC added ‘BYERS COLLECTION’ to the unique mint errors in my personal collection.
The clover leaf came from a recent collection of mint errors and was purchased for resale, so that isn’t the same situation as designating pedigree on a personal collection...
True, and I appreciate the distinction, but for the 100 Greatest US Coins like the 1804 Dollars and 1913 Liberty Nickels, dealers transacting a coin are often included in the provenance chain by large auction houses in their lot descriptions, in addition to collectors. Should the same thing be done for what is arguably one of the top 100 Greatest US Error Coins?
Hey Mike, when you can please send me a copy of your latest error book. I want to check out your updated mated/clover section.
It's no clover but I forgot about this I had a while back.
There is a chapter on mated pairs and a chapter on proof errors...
But nothing like this clover leaf or mated pair of proof Ike $ Mint Errors.
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Comments
LindyS - Yes it’s struck over a 1923 S
I will try to locate that other picture for you
Not an Ike, not a Proof,
my 2000 Cent struck on a flip over 2000 NH 25c.
26c ,the hard way.
LindyS- very nice!
HA has a new discovery mule in the June LB sale:
Another favorite in the error archive.
My decades old new in box Edmund Scientific Magnet attracting NGC slabbed 1967 USA Cent. Miss-struck on a smaller, half weight of 1c copper, stainless steel planchet. This & a few other 1c were struck in San Francisco at The Mint back in 1967.
1967 (S) USA 1c on SS Magnet attracting Costa Rician error goodie
A flawless & flashy MS63
These things certainly do seem to have a following. Collect what you like, as they say.
LIBERTY SEATED DIMES WITH MAJOR VARIETIES CIRCULATION STRIKES (1837-1891) digital album
Savitale- mint errors have been in the headlines for 20 years, including Coin World, Coin Week and Mint Error News Magazine.
I was the featured author in the October 9, 2009 issue of The Coin Dealer Newsletter (Vol. XXXIV No. 10) with a front-page article on mint errors.
Mike, I think your mated 1972-s dime/cent Ike is far out fantastic. For me the juxtaposition of color is wild giving it a "WOW" factor not present in the "wow" HA 105k clover. But, I have to ask, what denomination (now missing in action) makes your butterfly a clover?
MarcOne- The 2 piece mated pair definitely has the visual wow factor due to the copper cent blank being struck by Ike $ dies mated to the dime...
It’s unique and is not missing the third blank and is not part of a clover, because it’s complete as a mated pair...
Due to the positioning of both blanks in the collar, only 2 blanks ( clad dime and copper cent) fit inside the collar, making this mated pair complete.
Unique it is. I see it now, the dime and cent take up too much of Ike to include another coin in the collar.
Congratulations! It's really cool.
An earlier post asked about about expensive errors. Has the 1851 $20 on the large cent traded recently? I'm guessing it has to be 275k or more now.
MarcOne- the $20 1851 struck on a Large Cent blank is worth $250k or more.
It’s a world class error coin too, and has been certified by NGC.
It was in my 1975 error coin catalog. I could have sold it 3x back in 1975.
Mint Error News Magazine did an article about it awhile ago...
I anticipate a large increase on availability of these "error" type coins because someone paid $100 K+ for it.
to start producing them.
It reminds me of when AT coins started to show up. Let the do it yourself home minting process begin. Lets see how long it takes for China
Wayne
Kennedys are my quest...
Don't shortchange the US! All the AT coins are likely made in the USA
Of course, if this inspires more US Mint made errors, that's more to slab!
China produces (counterfeits) regular U.S. coins too, which are easily determined to be fakes.
There are easy to spot counterfeits, but it also seems that many fakes are almost impossible to spot by experts. Recently, these have been coming from China but it looks like the techniques were first developed in the US by the Massapequa Mint and others. That being said, many of the deceptive counterfeits produced today are worn coins such as those posted by @burfle23, not high grade modern specimens.
I don't see it...
Cool factor, but makes me think somebody was making these for beer money back in the day.
Probably not as unique as you think.
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oih82w8- It is NOT a typo. NGC decided to call it that. And they added UNIQUE to the insert since it’s special.
How many NGC inserts have you seen with the word UNIQUE???
Maybe 5 out of millions???
I acknowledge their legality and find them distasteful.
Same thing occurred with the proof Ike on the 3 Dime blanks. NGC decided to call it a three leaf clover and also UNIQUE on the insert:
Hey Mike, your archive pricelist is neat. The 1851 $20 on the large cent is one of my favorites. But there are so many to like!
I have one more question related to your mated Ike Dollar. Are there any other mated pairs in proof on other denominations?
Marc- Yes there are a few known proof mated pairs on Cents, Nickels, Dimes, Quarters and Halves.
But nothing like these Ike proof mated pairs!
Another neat ike error in original packaging
https://www.greatcollections.com/Coin/990890/Mint-Error-1971-S-Eisenhower-Dollar-Silver-Curved-Clip-at-800-NGC-Proof-69-CAMEO-US-Mint-Sealed-Holder-With-Original-Government-Packaging
1madman- that proof Ike clip is extremely rare with only a few known. And in silver too!
Fred Weinberg has one on his site now:
I own the only known proof Ike $1’s struck on the end of the planchet strip:
Hey Mike,
I was surfing your web site. I noticed you have a 1977 Lincoln cent in aluminum certified by NGC. It's pretty neat. It could be a Pattern or a deliberately struck rarity on left over 1974/75 blanks? Maybe if it goes to ANA I can take a peek. Anyway, my question is (since this has morphed into what you have not handled) have you had an Ike dollar struck in Aluminum?
Marc- Yes I have. In 2003 I purchased a huge error coin collection including this proof Ike in aluminum!
Assuming that the ANA is still on, I will be there with my 1977 Aluminum Cent!
Perhaps an error purposely made should be called a purposeful error or designed abnormal mint strike? What other names can we come up for these errors made explicitly to entertain the mint employee for their personal fun or profit. Certainly, these recent purposely made confabulations need their own category. Let's have fun.... what name can others come up with? The minters certainly liked to use proof dies for a bunch of these. Do we know how many recent mint employees had been charged for these activities? I had not heard of anyone charged outside of the one guy using his cigarette time that was caught. I don't believe any dealers had been held liable in the last 25 years for buying these purposely made concoctions from the offender. And certainly the mint has allowed them to remain in collectors hands after the fact so far.
Its interesting to speculate as to how many others of a more mundane off center or double struck nature were actually purposeful errors? Certainly, seems to be abundance of Ike proof errors. I guess we will never know. Perhaps rates of error frequency for different modern series (proof vs unc etc) could provide insight into what percentage were purposeful. Also interesting whether secret stockpiles of purposeful errors might slowly be released over time. Does anyone have a sense of the rate that these are appearing on the market?
I agree whether purposeful or not, they are still interesting to collectors. And the mints generosity much preffered as to allow what's out there to be out there.
GoBust- a couple of comments on your post based on my 45 years of dealing in error coins:
•Proof Ike $ error coins are very rare even though there are a few out there right now.
•As I mentioned earlier in this thread, the U.S. Secret Service authenticated and allowed the State of California to auction off a large group of U.S. proof errors that were unclaimed property. They have seen other groups of proof error coins as well and have allowed them to sell.
•NGC and PCGS have already addressed the question/ issue of descibing a U.S. proof error coin that most likely was not produced unintentionally. Both grading services still authenticate and slab these, but without a grade, and without the designation of ‘MINT ERROR’.
•An example of this is pictured below, a unique proof error coin that I bought and sold. Authenticated and Certified by NGC, it is not graded and does not say ‘MINT ERROR’.
“This unique striking is a proof mule, struck by the San Francisco Mint on a proof Ike Dollar planchet. The obverse shows Jefferson's portrait and the 1976-S date and Mint Mark. The reverse shows the design of the dime struck by either a proof Dime obverse die or hub. This is the only known U.S. coin struck in proof, with two different designs from two different denominations, on a large proof planchet.”
Just raw across this raw photo from a CoinWeek article by Mike @Byers!
Mike, were you able to handle this raw? Should your name be on the provenance for this?
https://coinweek.com/coins/error-coins/mike-byers-mint-error-news-amazing-unique-proof-ike-dollar-clover-leaf-offered-in-central-states-heritage-auction/
Zions- NGC did add the pedigree
‘BYERS COLLECTION’ on the insert,
to mint errors from my personal collection. Here is one of them below.
I submitted the unique Ike $ proof clover leaf to NGC without requesting that, because I already knew several collectors wanted it.
I call them Folderol Errors. Feel free to use.
Good to know!
It would have been nice for Heritage to mention your provenance in the lot description. It's important to track the provenance of these amazing coins!
OH BROTHER!
Zions- NGC added ‘BYERS COLLECTION’ to the unique mint errors in my personal collection.
The clover leaf came from a recent collection of mint errors and was purchased for resale, so that isn’t the same situation as designating pedigree on a personal collection...
True, and I appreciate the distinction, but for the 100 Greatest US Coins like the 1804 Dollars and 1913 Liberty Nickels, dealers transacting a coin are often included in the provenance chain by large auction houses in their lot descriptions, in addition to collectors. Should the same thing be done for what is arguably one of the top 100 Greatest US Error Coins?
Should it have been intentionally made, it still definitely was an error, at least in hiring the individual(s) that made the item.
Jim
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Okay, so who's going to make an offer of $157,500 or more?
Hey Mike, when you can please send me a copy of your latest error book. I want to check out your updated mated/clover section.
It's no clover but I forgot about this I had a while back.
That’s a very dramatic flip over Ike!
I will get a copy of my book out to you.
There is a chapter on mated pairs and a chapter on proof errors...
But nothing like this clover leaf or mated pair of proof Ike $ Mint Errors.
Hey Mike, thank you!