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Felix Schlag Nickel Sets are being Re-Release by Ron Landis Studios, gold strikes are here!

coinsarefuncoinsarefun Posts: 21,683 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited May 7, 2021 5:52PM in U.S. Coin Forum

Not sure if anyone has seen this or posted already but,
I just received and email from Ron
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We are proud to announce the re-release of our Jefferson fantasy nickels that were first released in 2002 by the Full Step Nickel Club. The first edition was scheduled for a mintage of 1,938 sets struck in silver as two piece sets in Proof and Matte finishes. Only 730 sets were produced and encapsulated by SEGS which left the mintage open for 1,208 additional sets.

The design was Felix Schlag’s winning design in the Jefferson Nickel design competition but was never produced as Mr. Schlag had intended. Instead, the lettering was changed along the the view of Jefferson’s home, Monticello. These fantasy strikes illustrate the Jefferson Nickel the way the artist had originally intended before the Mint made their alterations. The first edition had the initials FSNC 2002 to indicate they were produced under the auspices of the Full Step Nickel Club in 2002. For the Landis Studios editions, those markings were removed, thus making them a more attractive than the original edition.
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The 2 piece set link here
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Link for the Nickel overstrikes
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    davewesendavewesen Posts: 5,934 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 5, 2021 9:43AM

    interesting - it does not say COPY, is that because they are fantasy?

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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice coins and I am sure Jefferson nickel collectors would like to add these to their collections as a way to round out the history of the coin. Cheers, RickO

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    BullsitterBullsitter Posts: 5,382 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thanks for posting Coinsarefun, order #10XXX....cool reverse.... B)

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    PipestonePetePipestonePete Posts: 1,930 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Those look much nicer without the date stamp on the obverse.

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    messydeskmessydesk Posts: 19,774 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I missed getting the nickel overstrikes he did, but I did get the set ordered.

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    CameonutCameonut Posts: 7,272 ✭✭✭✭✭

    This will be a nice addition to the FSNC set I bought a long time ago. My order is 105XX.

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    ChrisH821ChrisH821 Posts: 6,396 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thanks for posting this! I ordered a set.

    Collector, occasional seller

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    oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 12,035 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 5, 2021 1:44PM

    I missed out on the first round as well...not this time!

    Nickel versions are Out of Stock.

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    TurtleCatTurtleCat Posts: 4,595 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @CaptHenway said:

    @davewesen said:
    interesting - it does not say COPY, is that because they are fantasy?

    In my opinion, because they do not have the actual striking date as did the 2002 strikes, these are imitation numismatic items subject to the provisions of the Hobby Protection Act, which requires them to be stamped with the word "COPY."

    Now we all know that the FTC does not give a pair of fetid dingos kidneys about enforcing the HPA, but that is my interpretation of the law.

    TD

    Would that still be the case here, though, since it’s a design that never was made for public use? I guess the key thing would be it’s looking like a US coin but it isn’t matching anything produced by the mint.

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    bsshog40bsshog40 Posts: 3,814 ✭✭✭✭✭

    This is a little strange if you ask me. They claim that only 730 sets were incapsulated of the 1,938 sets. I have a set and they are numbered #919.

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    astroratastrorat Posts: 9,221 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @bsshog40 said:
    This is a little strange if you ask me. They claim that only 730 sets were incapsulated of the 1,938 sets. I have a set and they are numbered #919.

    You could choose your serial number.

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    bsshog40bsshog40 Posts: 3,814 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @astrorat said:

    @bsshog40 said:
    This is a little strange if you ask me. They claim that only 730 sets were incapsulated of the 1,938 sets. I have a set and they are numbered #919.

    You could choose your serial number.

    I never knew that.

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    astroratastrorat Posts: 9,221 ✭✭✭✭✭

    In other words, the sets were not serially numbered, only given unique numbers between 1 and 1938. Interestingly, even those the mintage is stated as 1938, apparently not all were struck "back then."

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    astroratastrorat Posts: 9,221 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @bsshog40 said:

    @astrorat said:

    @bsshog40 said:
    This is a little strange if you ask me. They claim that only 730 sets were incapsulated of the 1,938 sets. I have a set and they are numbered #919.

    You could choose your serial number.

    I never knew that.

    Yeah, it was kind of neat. I ordered sets #777, #888, and #999.

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    kazkaz Posts: 9,098 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Cool. Just ordered a set. Thanks for the heads up, Stef.

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    ɹoʇɔǝlloɔɹoʇɔǝlloɔ Posts: 1,436 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 5, 2021 4:07PM

    was able to pick up one of the nickel planchet strikes, the silver set and even threw this in the cart

    love all the offerings on Ron's site - is he on these forums?

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    CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 31,727 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @TurtleCat said:

    @CaptHenway said:

    @davewesen said:
    interesting - it does not say COPY, is that because they are fantasy?

    In my opinion, because they do not have the actual striking date as did the 2002 strikes, these are imitation numismatic items subject to the provisions of the Hobby Protection Act, which requires them to be stamped with the word "COPY."

    Now we all know that the FTC does not give a pair of fetid dingos kidneys about enforcing the HPA, but that is my interpretation of the law.

    TD

    Would that still be the case here, though, since it’s a design that never was made for public use? I guess the key thing would be it’s looking like a US coin but it isn’t matching anything produced by the mint.

    It purports to be a numismatic item. That makes it subject to the HPA. Read the text of the law, which I have posted here before.

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    KindaNewishKindaNewish Posts: 827 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 6, 2021 4:08PM

    These are pretty.

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    coinsarefuncoinsarefun Posts: 21,683 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @KindaNewish said:
    Nuts!
    These were hard to come by, so I guess that I greatly overpaid for set #42 at Kagins a few years back.

    Limited edition appears to mean "limited to as many as we can sell"

    My first (and last) Ron Landis item. If the coiner keeps the dies and can produce more on a whim, these have only bullion value now.
    So sad to see an oddball classic debased.

    It’s not like that. Pm me and I’ll explain what happened.

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    messydeskmessydesk Posts: 19,774 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @KindaNewish said:
    Nuts!
    These were hard to come by, so I guess that I greatly overpaid for set #42 at Kagins a few years back.

    Limited edition appears to mean "limited to as many as we can sell"

    My first (and last) Ron Landis item. If the coiner keeps the dies and can produce more on a whim, these have only bullion value now.
    So sad to see an oddball classic debased.

    The new ones do not bear the "FSNC 2002" inscription. Those are not being remade.

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    ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,110 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The funny thing is that many people, including myself, thought 1938 sets had been produced. Seems like we’re nowhere near that yet.

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    ɹoʇɔǝlloɔɹoʇɔǝlloɔ Posts: 1,436 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I mean, I wasn't aware of these when they came out originally in 2002, but if someone purchased these in 2002 thinking the max mintage of 1938 was minted, and now found out only slightly more than 700 were originally minted, how does that change things for the worse?

    don't you now have the 2002-minted versions of the still-to-be-maxed max mintage of 1938, and even moreso possess an even more limited sub-mintage of just over 700?

    what's the downside? I'm not seeing it

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    leothelyonleothelyon Posts: 8,383 ✭✭✭✭✭

    So.....if they didn't have the original plaster model, from what did they use to transfer and reduce the images of Felix Schlags works? Because if you clicked on the link provided in the first post, it is stated; They come in a standard 2 X 2 flip with insert cards that are signed by the engraver, Ron Landis and numbered.
    Granted, this Ron Lanis did his best to recreate Schlags works but there are quite a few differences ranging from the letters, building, added window and branches, Jefferson's profile and quite possibly the building might be 2-3 degrees off. I guess my point is, what's depicted in the Landis version is not entirely of Felix Schlags original model.
    Perhaps these sleight changes are a part of the legal question? And there's info that all competitors plaster models were destroyed. But if Schlags original models have been saved, it leaves a window open for the US Mint.

    Leo

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    BLUEJAYWAYBLUEJAYWAY Posts: 8,264 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @astrorat said:

    @bsshog40 said:

    @astrorat said:

    @bsshog40 said:
    This is a little strange if you ask me. They claim that only 730 sets were incapsulated of the 1,938 sets. I have a set and they are numbered #919.

    You could choose your serial number.

    I never knew that.

    Yeah, it was kind of neat. I ordered sets #777, #888, and #999.

    Wise you passed on the 666 set. Don't want to tempt fate. :)

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    KindaNewishKindaNewish Posts: 827 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Who's to say that he'll produce any specific stated mintage now accurately?

    The originals have been out there for 20 years, with an assumption that production numbers were accurate.
    There may be less than originally reported, there may be more.

    Who knows?
    With this offering, it is confirmed to be unknowable.

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    bsshog40bsshog40 Posts: 3,814 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 5, 2021 8:18PM

    It's too bad that buyers could pick their numbers in the past. It would have been nice if they just started from #1 and went up. Those of us that have the older sets would at least know how early our sets are. Kind of takes the poof out of my set now.

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    ɹoʇɔǝlloɔɹoʇɔǝlloɔ Posts: 1,436 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm still confused by the 'mistrust' this has engendered among some forum members - not saying you shouldn't feel that way, just don't understand why you would

    if I'm an artist and make a limited edition of 10 prints of something, and only ever print & sell 3, and I come out years later saying - telling you and all the world - i never printed all 10 and am releasing 3 more in that still limited edition of 10 ever, I don't think my buyers would not trust me; would assume they'd be stoked that their prints are now 3 of the original prints from X yrs ago

    maybe I'm not meant to understand, but if I owned one of the 2002 versions of this nickel, this news [1938 max never fully minted, original 2002 mintage is locked in at just over 700 - wow - new lower mintage, new 2021 minting of more in still 1938 max mintage, etc] would have made me happy, and not have made me question Ron's credibility

    am I a fool? probably - but this all being bad news just isn't landing for me 🤔

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    TomBTomB Posts: 20,916 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If it makes you feel any better, @ɹoʇɔǝlloɔ, I think the same as you do on this issue. However, that might not make you feel any better... :#

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    dbldie55dbldie55 Posts: 7,719 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It is my understanding people would (or could) order the set number to match their membership number in the FSNC.

    Collector and Researcher of Liberty Head Nickels. ANA LM-6053
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    ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,110 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @dbldie55 said:
    It is my understanding people would (or could) order the set number to match their membership number in the FSNC.

    Were there less than 1938 members in 2002?

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    ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,110 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 5, 2021 10:24PM

    @BLUEJAYWAY said:

    @astrorat said:

    @bsshog40 said:

    @astrorat said:

    @bsshog40 said:
    This is a little strange if you ask me. They claim that only 730 sets were incapsulated of the 1,938 sets. I have a set and they are numbered #919.

    You could choose your serial number.

    I never knew that.

    Yeah, it was kind of neat. I ordered sets #777, #888, and #999.

    Wise you passed on the 666 set. Don't want to tempt fate. :)

    I thought it was already purchased and unavailable ;)

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    ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,110 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @bsshog40 said:
    It's too bad that buyers could pick their numbers in the past. It would have been nice if they just started from #1 and went up. Those of us that have the older sets would at least know how early our sets are. Kind of takes the poof out of my set now.

    I wouldn't say so. People still like low numbers.

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    BLUEJAYWAYBLUEJAYWAY Posts: 8,264 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Zoins said:

    @BLUEJAYWAY said:

    @astrorat said:

    @bsshog40 said:

    @astrorat said:

    @bsshog40 said:
    This is a little strange if you ask me. They claim that only 730 sets were incapsulated of the 1,938 sets. I have a set and they are numbered #919.

    You could choose your serial number.

    I never knew that.

    Yeah, it was kind of neat. I ordered sets #777, #888, and #999.

    Wise you passed on the 666 set. Don't want to tempt fate. :)

    I thought it was already purchased and unavailable ;)

    The Devil made them do it. A nod to Flip Wilson.

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    HalfDimeDudeHalfDimeDude Posts: 1,205 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Well Im glad that I sold my two coin set last year at a nice premium over cost, now that more of the same are being produced. They are a nice addition to a Jeffersons nickel collection.
    I had the segs for years, as well 2 complete sets of ms ,and proofs, and just about every major Jefferson nickel varieties.
    So yeah way to many nickels whos prices arent holding values as one would expect.
    I had 2 1971 s no s nickels in an 67 deep camo, and one still,in the proof set.
    Interesting note the 71 proof s no s set the cent in that group was an ddo.
    I had this at one time as part of my Nickel collection.

    It to was sold....#21

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    HalfDimeDudeHalfDimeDude Posts: 1,205 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The FSNC specimens were struck in silver...and as stated had FSNC 2002 on Toms coat, they didn't do a very good job of removing that signature off the die...as it not been removed and polished to remove all traces.... I would if interested in adding these to my collection seek out one of the original FSNC set. As the FSNC to my knowledge is no longer , making their silver original strikes more desirable.

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    HalfDimeDudeHalfDimeDude Posts: 1,205 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Currently on the bay 5 listings from $375-$750 @ set

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    LazybonesLazybones Posts: 1,424 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thanks for the link, @coinsarefun ! Ordered two sets!

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    astroratastrorat Posts: 9,221 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BLUEJAYWAY said:

    @astrorat said:

    @bsshog40 said:

    @astrorat said:

    @bsshog40 said:
    This is a little strange if you ask me. They claim that only 730 sets were incapsulated of the 1,938 sets. I have a set and they are numbered #919.

    You could choose your serial number.

    I never knew that.

    Yeah, it was kind of neat. I ordered sets #777, #888, and #999.

    Wise you passed on the 666 set. Don't want to tempt fate. :)

    LOL ... it was already sold.

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    leothelyonleothelyon Posts: 8,383 ✭✭✭✭✭

    For some reason, the US Mint failed to add Felix Schlags> @HalfDimeDude said:

    Well Im glad that I sold my two coin set last year at a nice premium over cost, now that more of the same are being produced. They are a nice addition to a Jeffersons nickel collection.
    I had the segs for years, as well 2 complete sets of ms ,and proofs, and just about every major Jefferson nickel varieties.
    So yeah way to many nickels whos prices arent holding values as one would expect.
    I had 2 1971 s no s nickels in an 67 deep camo, and one still,in the proof set.
    Interesting note the 71 proof s no s set the cent in that group was an ddo.
    I had this at one time as part of my Nickel collection.

    It to was sold....#21

    Interestingly enough, for some reason, the US Mint failed to add Felix Schlag's initials to the Jefferson nickel, not until 1966. And no where on the SEGS holder does Felix Schlags name appears. And now we're seeing this Landis guy adding his name to the 2x2's as the engraver.
    What is wrong with people?

    Leo

    The more qualities observed in a coin, the more desirable that coin becomes!

    My Jefferson Nickel Collection

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    HalfDimeDudeHalfDimeDude Posts: 1,205 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The mint also promised him 150 proof nickels to do thexe boards...He scrambled to aquire the rest of the amount needed to complete these 150 boards.
    I will admit that the mint gave him such a hard way to go considering his design won.
    Plus what other art deco designs on our coinage have always been a desireable series to collect.

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    leothelyonleothelyon Posts: 8,383 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Yes! The US Mint owes Felix Schlag and his family a public apology for forcing him to copy another sculptor's models of the frontal image of the Monticello and to take credit that was not his. Why they didn't just give credit to one of the other sculptors and come up with another $1000 award. The following link proves this. Scroll down to see at least 3-4 other similar models.
    http://www.felixschlag.com/nickel.html

    Leo

    The more qualities observed in a coin, the more desirable that coin becomes!

    My Jefferson Nickel Collection

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    ɹoʇɔǝlloɔɹoʇɔǝlloɔ Posts: 1,436 ✭✭✭✭✭

    💥🙌💥

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    crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 13,903 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I’ll take an original please😊
    A VERY cool nickel and would fit nicely into my Jefferson set.

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    ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,110 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 6, 2021 8:54PM

    @crazyhounddog said:
    I’ll take an original please😊
    A VERY cool nickel and would fit nicely into my Jefferson set.

    @HalfDimeDude posted that he found some on the bay. May be worth checking out.

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    HalfDimeDudeHalfDimeDude Posts: 1,205 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @leothelyon said:
    Yes! The US Mint owes Felix Schlag and his family a public apology for forcing him to copy another sculptor's models of the frontal image of the Monticello and to take credit that was not his. Why they didn't just give credit to one of the other sculptors and come up with another $1000 award. The following link proves this. Scroll down to see at least 3-4 other similar models.
    http://www.felixschlag.com/nickel.html

    Leo

    Leo
    Im totally convicted that had the mint allowed his design to be minted the Jefferson would of been an even more popular series.... so they screwed the pooch to begin with....and then continued to take the series down. IMHO
    Like a few other series i have collected i have ended mine premature due to design changes that were any thing but good.
    I am in schock and this statement may upset some....but , I am schocked that 2 things in my life that I have enjoyed since I had some sort of memory as a child ...coins and cartoons.
    Both have gone from a golden age to the toilet!
    Case in point cartoons from the 30's until computers were hand drawn, the subject matter , color, drawings , sound were off the hook! Todays crap...from computers is horrible...i cannot understand why from 1954 to present 67 years ive going from watching true art....to being so turned off....the same goes for US coins and designs!
    I just cannot comprehend how in 67 years you can go down when knowlege has goin off the charts. Sorry for the rant...sorry that i live in the past...as present coinage or cartoons are a joke.
    Jmho

    "That's why I wander and follow La Vie Dansante"

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    LazybonesLazybones Posts: 1,424 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 7, 2021 3:47AM

    Will our hosts holder these new strikes?

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    dcarrdcarr Posts: 8,142 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @leothelyon said:
    Yes! The US Mint owes Felix Schlag and his family a public apology for forcing him to copy another sculptor's models of the frontal image of the Monticello and to take credit that was not his. Why they didn't just give credit to one of the other sculptors and come up with another $1000 award. The following link proves this. Scroll down to see at least 3-4 other similar models.
    http://www.felixschlag.com/nickel.html

    Leo

    I like the Anthony De Francisci reverse.

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