Another Counterfeit Slab & Coin *Educational Thread With Pictures*
asheland
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He came back. There were a few others. 😒
I got pictures this time:
Obviously the dime for the comparison is genuine:
Pay close attention to the hologram surface/texture, it’s kinda fish scale looking on the fake versus the perfect shine on the genuine one.
Note the subtle color difference in the plastic,
Fake on the left, genuine on the right:
And last, look closely at the font and overall look of the tickets:
Be careful out there when buying this stuff!
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Yikes.....thanks for posting
bob
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Good eye!
See http://www.doubledimes.com for a free online reference for US twenty-cent pieces
Pretty close copying overall though, scary.
Good thing the coin itself seems to look like garbage.
The NFC capability in the newest PCGS slabs may have been just in time as they would have a hard time getting it to pull up a Cert that matched a fake insert.
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The slab is well enough done to fool folks who don't pay careful attention or who don't handle tons of slabs. It's a damn shame these are out there. Thank you for posting for folks.
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Thanks for the education Tom.
The 4 prongs on the fake slab are wider/fatter than normal. Is this also a clue?
Wayne
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The "1914-D $10 gold" looks like Matte Proof, which would be a give away. The slab is more deceptive than the coin.
Those slabs are very very good and will fool many that are not paying attention. Did he say where he obtained all these fakes, Ebay, or a different venue?
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All the counterfeiter would need to do is use the proper and correct font. It would likely pass muster then. I am always surprised when so much attention to detail is provided, yet one glaring omission isn't corrected.
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Someone in person. I’m not sure of the details, but it was a face to face transaction.
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Good catch Asheland!
I’m thankful for PCGS and their approach to combat these counterfeit coins with their new NFC technology.
Indeed so! The chip is bound to help. 👍
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I like that NGC has many with slab pics - the barcode must be different type than PCGS - look under the middle 0 in -009
what were they asking for that 'coin', it has a decent book value
https://ngccoin.com/certlookup/3312556-009/65/
He wasn’t selling it, he just wanted a verbal appraisal for reference. We had to be the bearer of the bad news.
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When in doubt compare the actual barcodes. Letter spacing on the date and denomination also screams fake.
OP's bogus slab on the top, NGC verification pic on the bottom.
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Yea the 1914 on the lable looks suspicious
Wow though, those are really well faked slabs though. When I first saw this post I thought they were real. I better watch out, especially since I am going to a coin show next week
Yep. That's not bad. As I don't focus on NGC coins, if I had seen the fake holder by itself, I wouldn't have necessarily thought anything. Clear, in comparison, but very good by itself.
My eye always goes toward the coin and tend to pay much less attention to the holder. Most of my purchases tend to be raw coins... so far I've dodged the counterfeit bullet. I've heard lately to be safe and only purchase slabbed coins. Your great post points out the fact that's no longer sufficient insurance. We all have to do even more diligence prior to any purchase.
Thanks, a real eye opening and useful post.
Mark
I bought my first Raw coin in quite a while yesterday, but I had had numerous dealings with the dealer before and he has something like 10,000 sales at 99.8% on Ebay. Before I bought I contacted him and told him I was concerned about all the fakes and that I was going to have it slabbed by PCGS. He told me that it was a major concern, but so far he hadn't had any coins kickback except one, and I got a written guarantee that if it didn't pass muster with PCGS, he would give a full rebate, including slab costs and shipping both ways. He told me he got the coin from an old collector in Ohio he had done business with for years in the past, before he bought the collection the coin was in. It pays to know your dealer and I just realized all you on the CU Site are new to me......LOL
I think it would fool many who ARE paying attention.
Wow... That is truly scary..... Thanks for posting this and the great pictures showing the detail. Getting dangerous out there....Since I tend to focus on the coin and trust the slab - well, have to change my ways now. Cheers, RickO
FWIW in hand, the slab is easy to spot, it’s online purchases that I warn about.
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is there a machine that can tell if it is 90% gold through the slab? what did you appraise it at? $800 gold, 50 cent plated?
Nice to know!
I guess if you have your slabs made in China that they have the dies to make some extra copies.
The numbers look all crunched up on the fake one to me
great thought and very obvious on this one ..thanks
The PMV can scan through the plastic if it’s a $10 or $20 gold piece.
We told him it was fake and worthless.
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Great post. Thanks @asheland
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