@2ndCharter said: More money for ANA, and they probably really do need it.
Do some housecleaning of the numerous multiples they have had donated to them and they'll have more money than they know what to do with.
Actually, they got a huge sum from an endowment or something recently, so in theory they should be doing just fine financially, except for their general mismanagement of funds and lack of support for the overall hobby.
Here's a question - aside from being a 45-year member of the ANA, I'm also the Treasurer of the South Carolina Numismatic Association and the Society of Paper Money Collectors. Now, for both of those organizations, I have to file an annual Form 1099 to the IRS. In order to do that, I have to have an EIN for both organizations. Now, if I were to show on Dealer Day with one of those EIN forms, would that work?
So, what the definition of a dealer - Clearly if i sell no coins during a year, i am a collector. If i sell one coin a year, then I am closer to a dealer... fast forward - if i sell 50 coins a year, then i am a dealer. You get my drift....
PS- SS# are 123.45.6789 and EINs are 12-3456768- how would can person know the difference. If you want a EIN then go to the IRS website and apply for one - its free! So I dont what a dealer is in the coin world.
@EastonCollection said:
So, what the definition of a dealer - Clearly if i sell no coins during a year, i am a collector. If i sell one coin a year, then I am closer to a dealer... fast forward - if i sell 50 coins a year, then i am a dealer. You get my drift....
PS- SS# are 123.45.6789 and EINs are 12-3456768- how would can person know the difference. If you want a EIN then go to the IRS website and apply for one - its free! So I dont what a dealer is in the coin world.
You can sell 1000 coins in a year and not be a dealer.
@2ndCharter said:
Here's a question - aside from being a 45-year member of the ANA, I'm also the Treasurer of the South Carolina Numismatic Association and the Society of Paper Money Collectors. Now, for both of those organizations, I have to file an annual Form 1099 to the IRS. In order to do that, I have to have an EIN for both organizations. Now, if I were to show on Dealer Day with one of those EIN forms, would that work?
None of that, in itself, indicates that you’re necessarily a dealer. The fact that you mentioned those things and nothing else, gives me the impression that you don’t think you’re a dealer.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
We can debate what qualifies someone as a dealer and ways to get into the show, but why should it even be necessary? The ANA should allow collectors to attend the first day of the show, whatever that day is called. PNG Day, Dealer Day, Professional Preview, Sponsors Day, whatever. If someone is willing to pay the fee, they should be welcome.
Andy Lustig
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
None of that, in itself, indicates that you’re necessarily a dealer. The fact that you mentioned those things and nothing else, gives me the impression that you don’t think you’re a dealer.
@2ndCharter said: None of that, in itself, indicates that you’re necessarily a dealer. The fact that you mentioned those things and nothing else, gives me the impression that you don’t think you’re a dealer.
Oh, absolutely - but where do you draw the line?
I don’t. And what counts is where the ANA draws the line.
I agree with Andy - it shouldn’t even be necessary to qualify as a dealer in order to get in.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
If you really want to get in just give them a random 9 digit number, make up a business name and give them $125. What are they gonna do, call the IRS and check?
"It's like God, Family, Country, except Sticker, Plastic, Coin."
@oreville said:
Based on the above, even tradedollarnut would not be allowed to attend unless he agrees to go on Laura's payroll as a new employee. LOL.
He’s a partner at Legend. I think they’d allow owners to go.
@MrEureka said:
We can debate what qualifies someone as a dealer and ways to get into the show, but why should it even be necessary? The ANA should allow collectors to attend the first day of the show, whatever that day is called. PNG Day, Dealer Day, Professional Preview, Sponsors Day, whatever. If someone is willing to pay the fee, they should be welcome.
agree..... it use to be that way all previous years I can recall
Money is money and sales are sales ...
if i was a certified PNG dealer i would want other collectors as well as dealers in the bourse room to keep prices
buoyant and competitive
I manage money. I earn money. I save money . I give away money. I collect money. I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.
@oreville said:
Based on the above, even tradedollarnut would not be allowed to attend unless he agrees to go on Laura's payroll as a new employee. LOL.
He’s a partner at Legend. I think they’d allow owners to go.
The ANA is nuts. Partners are second rate. Only considers them investors. Not working dealers.
Proof of this: Even Lifetime members are second rate, possibly even third rate.
@2ndCharter said: None of that, in itself, indicates that you’re necessarily a dealer. The fact that you mentioned those things and nothing else, gives me the impression that you don’t think you’re a dealer.
Oh, absolutely - but where do you draw the line?
I don’t. And what counts is where the ANA draws the line.
I agree with Andy - it shouldn’t even be necessary to qualify as a dealer in order to get in.
There are reasons why people might prefer dealer only. Transacting is different as is the paperwork with regards to things like sales tax.
@edwardjulio said:
From ANA:
"The American Numismatic Association is a congressionally chartered, nonprofit educational organization dedicated to encouraging the study and collection of coins and related items. The ANA helps its nearly 28,000 members and the public discover and explore the world of money through its vast array of educational and outreach programs, as well as its museum, library, publications and conventions."
Without collectors, there would be no dealers. Symbiotic relationship.
That is irrelevant. They can have a dealer only or collector only or member only event if they want. Appreciating collectors doesn't mean they have to be invited to everything.
@edwardjulio said:
From ANA:
"The American Numismatic Association is a congressionally chartered, nonprofit educational organization dedicated to encouraging the study and collection of coins and related items. The ANA helps its nearly 28,000 members and the public discover and explore the world of money through its vast array of educational and outreach programs, as well as its museum, library, publications and conventions."
Without collectors, there would be no dealers. Symbiotic relationship.
That is irrelevant. They can have a dealer only or collector only or member only event if they want. Appreciating collectors doesn't mean they have to be invited to everything.
Of course, ANA member collectors who feel slighted by being excluded from an ANA sponsored activity can choose to not renew their membership.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
@mr1874 said:
$125 admission doesn't represent good value to this collector. Pass.
I don’t get paying money for the privilege to buy stuff. Even dealer to dealer is simply jockeying to get the best stuff to sell to retail buyers like me. One could argue that I could cut out the middle man and buy it first saving the entry fee but it so rarely works like that. I get the point that I could buy it before being snipped by another retail buyer so the value is in access but strangely enough I have never ever ever…….ever had a hard time finding a coin to buy. The variable is who gets my money
@edwardjulio said:
From ANA:
"The American Numismatic Association is a congressionally chartered, nonprofit educational organization dedicated to encouraging the study and collection of coins and related items. The ANA helps its nearly 28,000 members and the public discover and explore the world of money through its vast array of educational and outreach programs, as well as its museum, library, publications and conventions."
Without collectors, there would be no dealers. Symbiotic relationship.
That is irrelevant. They can have a dealer only or collector only or member only event if they want. Appreciating collectors doesn't mean they have to be invited to everything.
Of course, ANA member collectors who feel slighted by being excluded from an ANA sponsored activity can choose to not renew their membership.
Lifetime members are then screwed. They do not have the option of non-renewal.
@edwardjulio said:
From ANA:
"The American Numismatic Association is a congressionally chartered, nonprofit educational organization dedicated to encouraging the study and collection of coins and related items. The ANA helps its nearly 28,000 members and the public discover and explore the world of money through its vast array of educational and outreach programs, as well as its museum, library, publications and conventions."
Without collectors, there would be no dealers. Symbiotic relationship.
That is irrelevant. They can have a dealer only or collector only or member only event if they want. Appreciating collectors doesn't mean they have to be invited to everything.
Of course, ANA member collectors who feel slighted by being excluded from an ANA sponsored activity can choose to not renew their membership.
Lifetime members are then screwed. They do not have the option of non-renewal.
@edwardjulio said:
From ANA:
"The American Numismatic Association is a congressionally chartered, nonprofit educational organization dedicated to encouraging the study and collection of coins and related items. The ANA helps its nearly 28,000 members and the public discover and explore the world of money through its vast array of educational and outreach programs, as well as its museum, library, publications and conventions."
Without collectors, there would be no dealers. Symbiotic relationship.
That is irrelevant. They can have a dealer only or collector only or member only event if they want. Appreciating collectors doesn't mean they have to be invited to everything.
Of course, ANA member collectors who feel slighted by being excluded from an ANA sponsored activity can choose to not renew their membership.
Lifetime members are then screwed. They do not have the option of non-renewal.
They could always fake their own death.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
I've spoken to a couple of ANA Board members about this. One was unclear on the policy and the rationale. The other saw the Dealer Day as something of a replacement for the dealer-to-dealer pre-show hotel action, which is more about dealers running through boxes of each others' inventory rather than putting out a display of coins for sale and for all to see. (No telling if that's what will actually happen.)
I signed up for a Dealer Day table thinking it would be more of a replacement for PNG Day but, for some strange and unknown reason, without collectors. Which was not ideal as far as I was concerned, but still worth attending. (Normally, I don't bother with the pre-show dealer gatherings.) Anyway, I still don't see the need to forbid entry to non-dealers, but I can see why the ANA might not want to promote the event to the general public.
Andy Lustig
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
@edwardjulio said:
From ANA:
"The American Numismatic Association is a congressionally chartered, nonprofit educational organization dedicated to encouraging the study and collection of coins and related items. The ANA helps its nearly 28,000 members and the public discover and explore the world of money through its vast array of educational and outreach programs, as well as its museum, library, publications and conventions."
Without collectors, there would be no dealers. Symbiotic relationship.
That is irrelevant. They can have a dealer only or collector only or member only event if they want. Appreciating collectors doesn't mean they have to be invited to everything.
Of course, ANA member collectors who feel slighted by being excluded from an ANA sponsored activity can choose to not renew their membership.
@MrEureka said:
I've spoken to a couple of ANA Board members about this. One was unclear on the policy and the rationale. The other saw the Dealer Day as something of a replacement for the dealer-to-dealer pre-show hotel action, which is more about dealers running through boxes of each others' inventory rather than putting out a display of coins for sale and for all to see. (No telling if that's what will actually happen.)
I signed up for a Dealer Day table thinking it would be more of a replacement for PNG Day but, for some strange and unknown reason, without collectors. Which was not ideal as far as I was concerned, but still worth attending. (Normally, I don't bother with the pre-show dealer gatherings.) Anyway, I still don't see the need to forbid entry to non-dealers, but I can see why the ANA might not want to promote the event to the general public.
If the best coins are purchased in ANA Dealer Day, are they made available to collectors for a mark up or are they not available at the show to collectors due to turn around time and adding to inventory?
@mr1874 said:
$125 admission doesn't represent good value to this collector. Pass.
I don’t get paying money for the privilege to buy stuff. Even dealer to dealer is simply jockeying to get the best stuff to sell to retail buyers like me. One could argue that I could cut out the middle man and buy it first saving the entry fee but it so rarely works like that. I get the point that I could buy it before being snipped by another retail buyer so the value is in access but strangely enough I have never ever ever…….ever had a hard time finding a coin to buy. The variable is who gets my money
Why not have a collectors-only day where average Joes can meet up, trade and sell coins without the threat of getting kicked out, lot view without waiting for dealers looking through every single box, and be able to meet and interact with our ANA officials? Most of the ANA people I’ve met at the show are too busy running their businesses to talk about anything else.
I have absolutely nothing against dealers, but it’s our hobby - their business. The hobbyist, ultimately carries the entire numismatic apparatus on his back, ultimately paying for all of it - all of the fancy auction catalogs, grading fees, table fees, auction vigorish, and various membership fees. All of a dealer’s overhead is eventually passed on to the collector. Again, I’m not dishing on dealers. They provide a service that is entirely necessary. Getting snubbed by the ANA at our meeting by our Congress-chartered organization is NOT ok.
Most dealers do an outstanding job of being friendly and helpful, but I’ve had the “get lost” brush-off from many table holders there only to do “big business.”
Personally, I only joined the ANA to get submitting privileges at CAC. Im not sure what value I’m getting beyond that.
Personally, I only joined the ANA to get submitting privileges at CAC. Im not sure what value I’m getting beyond that.
I think you meant NGC. I think the ANA monthly magazine "The Numismatist" is well worth the cost of membership.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
I have heard rumblings from a couple dealers that they don’t like “super bourse” buyers (collectors and dealers without tables) who get in for a fee before the general public is admitted. I think those dealers should “get over it,” but it looks like they have won the day with the ANA board.
It’s disappointing that an organization that is supposed to represent collectors often disappoints collectors. Why isn’t the ANA complaining about the way the mint sales operation works? I guess it’s because the ANA is more interested in pleasing the dealers.
Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
Personally, I only joined the ANA to get submitting privileges at CAC. Im not sure what value I’m getting beyond that.
I think you meant NGC. I think the ANA monthly magazine "The Numismatist" is well worth the cost of membership.
No, I meant CAC. ANA membership is a prerequisite. And, yes, the Numismatist is a good read, but value in membership should extend well beyond getting a magazine.
Personally, I only joined the ANA to get submitting privileges at CAC. Im not sure what value I’m getting beyond that.
I think you meant NGC. I think the ANA monthly magazine "The Numismatist" is well worth the cost of membership.
No, I meant CAC. ANA membership is a prerequisite. And, yes, the Numismatist is a good read, but value in membership should extend well beyond getting a magazine.
I knew that submitting privileges to NGC automatically came with ANA membership since NGC is the official grading service of the ANA in addition to being the official grading service of PNG. I didn't realize that ANA membership is a requirement for submitting to CAC. I learned something new today. Thanks.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
@BillJones said:
I have heard rumblings from a couple dealers that they don’t like “super bourse” buyers (collectors and dealers without tables) who get in for a fee before the general public is admitted. I think those dealers should “get over it,” but it looks like they have won the day with the ANA board.
It’s disappointing that an organization that is supposed to represent collectors often disappoints collectors. Why isn’t the ANA complaining about the way the mint sales operation works? I guess it’s because the ANA is more interested in pleasing the dealers.
I have been an ANA member for 52 years and a Life Member for 49 1/2 years. I have been a Patron for most ANA conventions for decades. I have probably donated more to the ANA than a lot of the dealers that will get into the show on Dealer Day. Go figure.
@golden said:
I have been an ANA member for 52 years and a Life Member for 49 1/2 years. I have been a Patron for most ANA conventions for decades. I have probably donated more to the ANA than a lot of the dealers that will get into the show on Dealer Day. Go figure.
Great support! Hope you get your gold 50th Anniversary Medal soon
Have you ever thought about running for ANA President or another leadership position?
@golden said:
I have been an ANA member for 52 years and a Life Member for 49 1/2 years. I have been a Patron for most ANA conventions for decades. I have probably donated more to the ANA than a lot of the dealers that will get into the show on Dealer Day. Go figure.
Great support! Hope you get your gold 50th Anniversary Medal soon
Have you ever thought about running for ANA President or another leadership position?
I got my 50 year Gold Membership medal at the 2019 convention in Chicago. I am a 52 year member.
@golden said:
I have been an ANA member for 52 years and a Life Member for 49 1/2 years. I have been a Patron for most ANA conventions for decades. I have probably donated more to the ANA than a lot of the dealers that will get into the show on Dealer Day. Go figure.
Great support! Hope you get your gold 50th Anniversary Medal soon
Have you ever thought about running for ANA President or another leadership position?
I got my 50 year Gold Membership medal at the 2019 convention in Chicago. I am a 52 year member.
Congrats! I was too focused on the 49 1/2 number!
I wonder if flashing your gold medal will get you into the show? It should count for something (in addition to being a nice chunk of gold)!
@mr1874 said:
$125 admission doesn't represent good value to this collector. Pass.
I don’t get paying money for the privilege to buy stuff. Even dealer to dealer is simply jockeying to get the best stuff to sell to retail buyers like me. One could argue that I could cut out the middle man and buy it first saving the entry fee but it so rarely works like that. I get the point that I could buy it before being snipped by another retail buyer so the value is in access but strangely enough I have never ever ever…….ever had a hard time finding a coin to buy. The variable is who gets my money
Not a member of Costco/Sam's/BJ's are you?
I’m not because there are none near where I live, only 18 different Whole Foods . That said me paying $125 won’t get me access to wholesale bullion or choice seated material unlike your example which gets me access to large cheap tubs of chocolate pudding and hot pockets.
The early/unique access is more about the shows taxing dealer to dealer and impatient transactions then getting any real value to the buyer
All these whiners are ignoring the fact that there is a difference between dealer-to- dealer traffic and retail traffic. Big deal if they want one time block when they don't have to cater to customers or worry about who's exempt and who's not.
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Actually, they got a huge sum from an endowment or something recently, so in theory they should be doing just fine financially, except for their general mismanagement of funds and lack of support for the overall hobby.
How are coin clubs structured?
Do they have a dedicated ANA bent?
Are they independent?
If sports cards can rebound, coins should not be that hard.
It would seem with all of the interest in PM's there would be an ability to cross a few into hardcore numismatics.
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I sent an email to the ANA yesterday, asking if collectors were allowed or not at the event.
As of this evening, I have received no reply.
Any reply yet?
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
Here's a question - aside from being a 45-year member of the ANA, I'm also the Treasurer of the South Carolina Numismatic Association and the Society of Paper Money Collectors. Now, for both of those organizations, I have to file an annual Form 1099 to the IRS. In order to do that, I have to have an EIN for both organizations. Now, if I were to show on Dealer Day with one of those EIN forms, would that work?
Member ANA, SPMC, SCNA, FUN, CONECA
Sorry, not 1099 - meant to say Form 990 (full 9-page form for SPMC, Form 990-EZ for SCNA).
Member ANA, SPMC, SCNA, FUN, CONECA
So, what the definition of a dealer - Clearly if i sell no coins during a year, i am a collector. If i sell one coin a year, then I am closer to a dealer... fast forward - if i sell 50 coins a year, then i am a dealer. You get my drift....
PS- SS# are 123.45.6789 and EINs are 12-3456768- how would can person know the difference. If you want a EIN then go to the IRS website and apply for one - its free! So I dont what a dealer is in the coin world.
You can sell 1000 coins in a year and not be a dealer.
Maybe the ANA can just expand the concept and change the Day to Bring Your Accountant Day...
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None of that, in itself, indicates that you’re necessarily a dealer. The fact that you mentioned those things and nothing else, gives me the impression that you don’t think you’re a dealer.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
We can debate what qualifies someone as a dealer and ways to get into the show, but why should it even be necessary? The ANA should allow collectors to attend the first day of the show, whatever that day is called. PNG Day, Dealer Day, Professional Preview, Sponsors Day, whatever. If someone is willing to pay the fee, they should be welcome.
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
None of that, in itself, indicates that you’re necessarily a dealer. The fact that you mentioned those things and nothing else, gives me the impression that you don’t think you’re a dealer.
Oh, absolutely - but where do you draw the line?
Member ANA, SPMC, SCNA, FUN, CONECA
I don’t. And what counts is where the ANA draws the line.
I agree with Andy - it shouldn’t even be necessary to qualify as a dealer in order to get in.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
No.
If you really want to get in just give them a random 9 digit number, make up a business name and give them $125. What are they gonna do, call the IRS and check?
"It's like God, Family, Country, except Sticker, Plastic, Coin."
Does the ANA just have a preference and bias for dealers?
What is the ratio of dealers to collectors on the ANA Governors board?
Based on the above, even tradedollarnut would not be allowed to attend unless he agrees to go on Laura's payroll as a new employee. LOL.
I am in!
He’s a partner at Legend. I think they’d allow owners to go.
agree..... it use to be that way all previous years I can recall
Money is money and sales are sales ...
if i was a certified PNG dealer i would want other collectors as well as dealers in the bourse room to keep prices
buoyant and competitive
I give away money. I collect money.
I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.
The ANA is nuts. Partners are second rate. Only considers them investors. Not working dealers.
Proof of this: Even Lifetime members are second rate, possibly even third rate.
There are reasons why people might prefer dealer only. Transacting is different as is the paperwork with regards to things like sales tax.
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That is irrelevant. They can have a dealer only or collector only or member only event if they want. Appreciating collectors doesn't mean they have to be invited to everything.
Of course, ANA member collectors who feel slighted by being excluded from an ANA sponsored activity can choose to not renew their membership.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
I would guess that dealers prefer having a day to themselves for some reason. I can think of a few but I would just be guessing.
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I don’t get paying money for the privilege to buy stuff. Even dealer to dealer is simply jockeying to get the best stuff to sell to retail buyers like me. One could argue that I could cut out the middle man and buy it first saving the entry fee but it so rarely works like that. I get the point that I could buy it before being snipped by another retail buyer so the value is in access but strangely enough I have never ever ever…….ever had a hard time finding a coin to buy. The variable is who gets my money
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Lifetime members are then screwed. They do not have the option of non-renewal.
They can still resign
They could always fake their own death.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
So what will replace the ANA?
I've spoken to a couple of ANA Board members about this. One was unclear on the policy and the rationale. The other saw the Dealer Day as something of a replacement for the dealer-to-dealer pre-show hotel action, which is more about dealers running through boxes of each others' inventory rather than putting out a display of coins for sale and for all to see. (No telling if that's what will actually happen.)
I signed up for a Dealer Day table thinking it would be more of a replacement for PNG Day but, for some strange and unknown reason, without collectors. Which was not ideal as far as I was concerned, but still worth attending. (Normally, I don't bother with the pre-show dealer gatherings.) Anyway, I still don't see the need to forbid entry to non-dealers, but I can see why the ANA might not want to promote the event to the general public.
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
Or they can elect a slate of governors
If the best coins are purchased in ANA Dealer Day, are they made available to collectors for a mark up or are they not available at the show to collectors due to turn around time and adding to inventory?
Not a member of Costco/Sam's/BJ's are you?
Why not have a collectors-only day where average Joes can meet up, trade and sell coins without the threat of getting kicked out, lot view without waiting for dealers looking through every single box, and be able to meet and interact with our ANA officials? Most of the ANA people I’ve met at the show are too busy running their businesses to talk about anything else.
I have absolutely nothing against dealers, but it’s our hobby - their business. The hobbyist, ultimately carries the entire numismatic apparatus on his back, ultimately paying for all of it - all of the fancy auction catalogs, grading fees, table fees, auction vigorish, and various membership fees. All of a dealer’s overhead is eventually passed on to the collector. Again, I’m not dishing on dealers. They provide a service that is entirely necessary. Getting snubbed by the ANA at our meeting by our Congress-chartered organization is NOT ok.
Most dealers do an outstanding job of being friendly and helpful, but I’ve had the “get lost” brush-off from many table holders there only to do “big business.”
Personally, I only joined the ANA to get submitting privileges at CAC. Im not sure what value I’m getting beyond that.
I think you meant NGC. I think the ANA monthly magazine "The Numismatist" is well worth the cost of membership.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
I have heard rumblings from a couple dealers that they don’t like “super bourse” buyers (collectors and dealers without tables) who get in for a fee before the general public is admitted. I think those dealers should “get over it,” but it looks like they have won the day with the ANA board.
It’s disappointing that an organization that is supposed to represent collectors often disappoints collectors. Why isn’t the ANA complaining about the way the mint sales operation works? I guess it’s because the ANA is more interested in pleasing the dealers.
No, I meant CAC. ANA membership is a prerequisite. And, yes, the Numismatist is a good read, but value in membership should extend well beyond getting a magazine.
I knew that submitting privileges to NGC automatically came with ANA membership since NGC is the official grading service of the ANA in addition to being the official grading service of PNG. I didn't realize that ANA membership is a requirement for submitting to CAC. I learned something new today. Thanks.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
Early birds are a different matter, aren't they?
I hope President / Dr. Ralph Ross and the rest of the ANA is listening.
I have been an ANA member for 52 years and a Life Member for 49 1/2 years. I have been a Patron for most ANA conventions for decades. I have probably donated more to the ANA than a lot of the dealers that will get into the show on Dealer Day. Go figure.
Great support! Hope you get your gold 50th Anniversary Medal soon
Have you ever thought about running for ANA President or another leadership position?
I got my 50 year Gold Membership medal at the 2019 convention in Chicago. I am a 52 year member.
Congrats! I was too focused on the 49 1/2 number!
I wonder if flashing your gold medal will get you into the show? It should count for something (in addition to being a nice chunk of gold)!
I’m not because there are none near where I live, only 18 different Whole Foods
. That said me paying $125 won’t get me access to wholesale bullion or choice seated material unlike your example which gets me access to large cheap tubs of chocolate pudding and hot pockets.
The early/unique access is more about the shows taxing dealer to dealer and impatient transactions then getting any real value to the buyer
11.5$ Southern Dollars, The little “Big Easy” set
The ANA decision reminds me of the CoinFacts picture deletion decision. Dealers rule.
"Got a flaming heart, can't get my fill"
All these whiners are ignoring the fact that there is a difference between dealer-to- dealer traffic and retail traffic. Big deal if they want one time block when they don't have to cater to customers or worry about who's exempt and who's not.
If you are a collector, will you go to the show as a second rate ANA member, or not go at all?