@1northcoin said:
There is the added problem that the coin up for auction is not the best known. Obviously one can't speak for TDN, but his recent acquisitions have made it evident that having the "best known" can be an important factor for potential bidders with such a mind set.
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Another "X" factor with regard to this auction is the charity aspect. I have seen auctions where when the proceeds go to charity the intrinsic value of the item itself becomes secondary.
Another "X" factor with regard to this auction is the charity aspect. I have seen auctions where when the proceeds go to charity the intrinsic value of the item itself becomes secondary.
@Justacommeman said:
Increasing the good possibility that a non coin collector ends up with the Saint is the fact that the proceeds are going to his charitable foundations. Stuart has lots of friends and neighbors around the world that could splurge on any of his items at auction. I wouldn't be surprised if there are in multiple bidders with their hands in the air like they don't care. They wouldn't be concerned if the hammer fell on them knowing a charity would benefit from it. At the very least the price gets driven up.
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mark
You said it more eloquently.
If I recall correctly one of the charity beneficiaries is medical research.
@1northcoin said:
There is the added problem that the coin up for auction is not the best known. Obviously one can't speak for TDN, but his recent acquisitions have made it evident that having the "best known" can be an important factor for potential bidders with such a mind set.
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Another "X" factor with regard to this auction is the charity aspect. I have seen auctions where when the proceeds go to charity the intrinsic value of the item itself becomes secondary.
Another "X" factor with regard to this auction is the charity aspect. I have seen auctions where when the proceeds go to charity the intrinsic value of the item itself becomes secondary.
@Justacommeman said:
Increasing the good possibility that a non coin collector ends up with the Saint is the fact that the proceeds are going to his charitable foundations. Stuart has lots of friends and neighbors around the world that could splurge on any of his items at auction. I wouldn't be surprised if there are in multiple bidders with their hands in the air like they don't care. They wouldn't be concerned if the hammer fell on them knowing a charity would benefit from it. At the very least the price gets driven up.
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mark
You said it more eloquently.
If I recall correctly one of the charity beneficiaries is medical research.
I didn't see your comment but yes. Same same. I love attending Sotheby's auctions and wish it was normal times.
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Walker Proof Digital Album Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
@1northcoin said:
Another "X" factor with regard to this auction is the charity aspect. I have seen auctions where when the proceeds go to charity the intrinsic value of the item itself becomes secondary.
Increasing the good possibility that a non coin collector ends up with the Saint is the fact that the proceeds are going to his charitable foundations. Stuart has lots of friends and neighbors around the world that could splurge on any of his items at auction. I wouldn't be surprised if there are in multiple bidders with their hands in the air like they don't care. They wouldn't be concerned if the hammer fell on them knowing a charity would benefit from it. At the very least the price gets driven up.
You said it more eloquently.
If I recall correctly one of the charity beneficiaries is medical research.
Here's the quote. It would be nice to have a few more details on the medical research.
Fang Block wrote:
All of the seller’s proceeds will benefit charitable ventures, including The Weitzman Family Foundation, which supports medical research and higher education such as the Stuart Weitzman School of Design at the University of Pennsylvania, as well as a museum in Madrid, the first of its kind, devoted to Spanish Judaica.
The 1933 is currently listed as 4th in the 100 Greatest US coins. If it blows by the 10 million dollar price by a fair amount, a good argument could be made for it to move to #1. The interest, the story and the price all arguably move the coin to #1.
@Gazes said:
The 1933 is currently listed as 4th in the 100 Greatest US coins. If it blows by the 10 million dollar price by a fair amount, a good argument could be made for it to move to #1. The interest, the story and the price all arguably move the coin to #1.
That’s one possibility. Another is the value of #1-3 go up. Do you have a link to the list you reference?
@Gazes said:
The 1933 is currently listed as 4th in the 100 Greatest US coins. If it blows by the 10 million dollar price by a fair amount, a good argument could be made for it to move to #1. The interest, the story and the price all arguably move the coin to #1.
That’s one possibility. Another is the value of #1-3 go up. Do you have a link to the list you reference?
Second edition
Walker Proof Digital Album Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
Some might even view the Langbord coins as a positive. Additional coins came to market and the government got a court ruling to confiscate them. Not sure I share that sentiment, but one could think that the government will enforce that you have the only one.
@Gazes said:
The 4th edition has the 1907 high relief #3 and the 1933 #4.
So you’re saying that the 1933 isn’t even the greatest Saint Gaudens double eagle?
To some extent that list is a popularity contest.
I imagine the 1933 DE didn't do as well because it's been off the market for so long and thus out of mind. Coins with several specimens available can generate more regular interest because they can come up more often so people talk about them more.
I don't worry about the list too much because people who pay up for the what they want at this level generally go with their own decision on what's desirable, not what someone else tells them is. For example, when I taste wine or listen to audiophile equipment, I keep my own counsel, not what people tell me I should like.
@Gazes said:
The 1933 is currently listed as 4th in the 100 Greatest US coins. If it blows by the 10 million dollar price by a fair amount, a good argument could be made for it to move to #1. The interest, the story and the price all arguably move the coin to #1.
That’s one possibility. Another is the value of #1-3 go up. Do you have a link to the list you reference?
Second edition
It would be interesting to see how the 1933 and other top three coins listed in the 100 Greatest coins jump or fall in standing when comparing the five editions of the book.
Anyone have the list for the 1st, 4th and 5th editions?
The 2nd edition has it sitting in third behind the 1804 Capped Bust Dollar and 1913 Liberty Nickel
The 3rd edition has it sitting in third behind the 1913 Liberty Nickel and the 1907 UHR DE.
1st Ed. 1804 Dollar, 1913 Liberty Nickel, 1933 DE
2nd Ed. 1804 Dollar, 1913 Liberty Nickel, 1933 DE
3rd Ed. 1913 Liberty Nickel, 1907 UHR DE, 1933 DE
4th Ed. 1804 Dollar, 1913 Liberty Nickel, 1907 UHR DE (1933 listed in 4th place)
5th Ed. 1804 Dollar, 1849 DE, 1794 Dollar (1933 listed in 5th place)
6th edition will depend on how well the 1933 does in auction. Over 10 million it moves up (opinion)
Also - what happened to the 1804 Dollar in the 3rd edition - didn't place in the top three???
Has the 1933 DE started following the edition numbers (100 greatest)?
3rd Ed = third place
4th Ed = fourth place
5th Ed = fifth place
6th Ed = (sixth place if under 10 mil in auction???) or will it move back into third place or higher if over 10 mil???
Thank you Currin for mentioning the only (Unique) Type 2 Proof Ike Silver Dollar that was minted in connection with the 200th Anniversary of our country and also happens to be a No S struck Philly coin as well. Unique 20th Century items (whether it be, for example, the only signed Mike Trout baseball card from 7 or 8 years ago that I believe recently sold in the $4,000,000-$5,000,000 range) are selling for staggering sums of money. Another “sleeper” unique 20th Century United States coin is the 1907 Proof Peso struck in 80% silver (the unique 90% example is impounded in a Manila museum). I think collectors will be surprised to see what these “modern” unique treasures realize on the open market as they are sold.
Zoins- when Justhavingfun sold, via private treaty, the top roughly 2 dozen specimens from his incredible accumulation of Unites States Philippines Proof Pesos a few years back, Justin got to select the top piece he loved from the entire collection to use as his marketing vehicle for his website/company, etc. and I purchased it outright from the buyer of the deal so that Justin could also keep it as a treasure for his future. This coin is the first year issue 1903 Proof Peso grading PCGS-PR68 (pop 1). An amazing color coin in hand (and under graded)! Hence, a future offering of my Top 100 Modern Coin set (including the Unique Ike) is certainly more likely now so that both of my children can share equally in the assets.
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Another "X" factor with regard to this auction is the charity aspect. I have seen auctions where when the proceeds go to charity the intrinsic value of the item itself becomes secondary.
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You said it more eloquently.
If I recall correctly one of the charity beneficiaries is medical research.
I didn't see your comment but yes. Same same. I love attending Sotheby's auctions and wish it was normal times.
m
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
Here's the quote. It would be nice to have a few more details on the medical research.
https://www.barrons.com/articles/stuart-weitzman-selling-three-treasures-to-benefit-charities-01615493809
The 1933 is currently listed as 4th in the 100 Greatest US coins. If it blows by the 10 million dollar price by a fair amount, a good argument could be made for it to move to #1. The interest, the story and the price all arguably move the coin to #1.
That's where Roger got the word. You never know what people did before coins.
That’s one possibility. Another is the value of #1-3 go up. Do you have a link to the list you reference?
Second edition
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
The 4th edition has the 1907 high relief #3 and the 1933 #4.
Some might even view the Langbord coins as a positive. Additional coins came to market and the government got a court ruling to confiscate them. Not sure I share that sentiment, but one could think that the government will enforce that you have the only one.
better game resume so far or did one beat the other?
with the possibility of bidding for charity, value to collectors may not be known.
So you’re saying that the 1933 isn’t even the greatest Saint Gaudens double eagle?
To some extent that list is a popularity contest.
I imagine the 1933 DE didn't do as well because it's been off the market for so long and thus out of mind. Coins with several specimens available can generate more regular interest because they can come up more often so people talk about them more.
I don't worry about the list too much because people who pay up for the what they want at this level generally go with their own decision on what's desirable, not what someone else tells them is. For example, when I taste wine or listen to audiophile equipment, I keep my own counsel, not what people tell me I should like.
Not my list---shrug.
It would be interesting to see how the 1933 and other top three coins listed in the 100 Greatest coins jump or fall in standing when comparing the five editions of the book.
Anyone have the list for the 1st, 4th and 5th editions?
The 2nd edition has it sitting in third behind the 1804 Capped Bust Dollar and 1913 Liberty Nickel
The 3rd edition has it sitting in third behind the 1913 Liberty Nickel and the 1907 UHR DE.
First edition:
Fifth edition:
4th Edition
I have always had a hard time understanding why the 1804 dollar is #1. I will start a thread to discuss this issue.
Thanks Bruce and gschwernk;
1st Ed. 1804 Dollar, 1913 Liberty Nickel, 1933 DE
2nd Ed. 1804 Dollar, 1913 Liberty Nickel, 1933 DE
3rd Ed. 1913 Liberty Nickel, 1907 UHR DE, 1933 DE
4th Ed. 1804 Dollar, 1913 Liberty Nickel, 1907 UHR DE (1933 listed in 4th place)
5th Ed. 1804 Dollar, 1849 DE, 1794 Dollar (1933 listed in 5th place)
6th edition will depend on how well the 1933 does in auction. Over 10 million it moves up (opinion)
Also - what happened to the 1804 Dollar in the 3rd edition - didn't place in the top three???
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Has the 1933 DE started following the edition numbers (100 greatest)?
3rd Ed = third place
4th Ed = fourth place
5th Ed = fifth place
6th Ed = (sixth place if under 10 mil in auction???) or will it move back into third place or higher if over 10 mil???
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Thank you Currin for mentioning the only (Unique) Type 2 Proof Ike Silver Dollar that was minted in connection with the 200th Anniversary of our country and also happens to be a No S struck Philly coin as well. Unique 20th Century items (whether it be, for example, the only signed Mike Trout baseball card from 7 or 8 years ago that I believe recently sold in the $4,000,000-$5,000,000 range) are selling for staggering sums of money. Another “sleeper” unique 20th Century United States coin is the 1907 Proof Peso struck in 80% silver (the unique 90% example is impounded in a Manila museum). I think collectors will be surprised to see what these “modern” unique treasures realize on the open market as they are sold.
Zoins- when Justhavingfun sold, via private treaty, the top roughly 2 dozen specimens from his incredible accumulation of Unites States Philippines Proof Pesos a few years back, Justin got to select the top piece he loved from the entire collection to use as his marketing vehicle for his website/company, etc. and I purchased it outright from the buyer of the deal so that Justin could also keep it as a treasure for his future. This coin is the first year issue 1903 Proof Peso grading PCGS-PR68 (pop 1). An amazing color coin in hand (and under graded)! Hence, a future offering of my Top 100 Modern Coin set (including the Unique Ike) is certainly more likely now so that both of my children can share equally in the assets.
Wondercoin
I noticed that the ANS is selling their duplicate catalog from the Farouk sale. In case you buy the 1933 $20, you might want the original listing
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Coin-Catalog-Sotheby-Co-1954-KING-FAROUK-SALE-FEATURING-1933-DOUBLE-EAGLE/133696921185
Pacific Northwest Numismatic Association
The 33 DE was not sold in that sale. If I recalled, it was pulled and went underground.
My 20th Century Gold Major Design Type Set ---started : 11/17/1997 ---- completed : 1/21/2004
What puzzles me is the high ranking for the 43 bronze cent. There are many a coin struck on the wrong planchet so, what gives?
Fame
YNs grew up dreaming about this coin. This is the coin Bob Simpson wanted as a kid.
It was at the right place at the right time, ok.
I wonder how much of the top coins list is determined by the Red Book as read by YNs who are now adults.
That would explain a lot of it.