This is what impresses me

Gazes

I recently got the book Eagles of the Tyrant. The book shows the $10 Gold collection of the Tyrant. He has every $10 circulation strike with branch mints from 1795 to 1933. Further, he has almost every proof $10 coin. Wow!

There have been recent threads discussing trophy coins. Looking through this collection is awe inspiring. I realised this is the type of collection/collector that impresses much more than a trophy coin or two. At the end of the day, if you have enough money you can always buy one or two trophy coins. To build the collection of the Tyrant---yes you need the same type of bank account but you also need to be fully immersed in the hobby and be in it for the long haul. Some of the coins in his Eagle collection im sure he had to wait a decade plus to find. There is no way to simply write a check and have his collection of eagles---it must be built over time. Im not knocking trophy coins but the tyrant's eagle collection to me is much more impressive and inspiring.

BryceM

A bunch of the collection was at Long Beach, back when there used to be a Long Beach show. The sheer magnitude of it was hard to comprehend. Like you say, any individual coin is a monster on its own. Together, it's simply incredible.

Zoins

@Gazes said:
There is no way to simply write a check and have his collection of eagles---it must be built over time. Im not knocking trophy coins but the tyrant's eagle collection to me is much more impressive and inspiring.

Well, you could write a check to buy entire collections. Not that it's necessarily happened here but top collectors have done it.

How many coins are there? How does it compare to Hansen's set?

Both approaches impress me. Sometimes, chances at a trophy coin just don't come up and in the rare instances they do, someone may want it more than you.

edwardjulio

NLH

Zoins

@edwardjulio said:
The collection has some truly rare coins, especially in proof issues. One example is his 1877 PF. There are currently only 4 examples graded, 2-NGC and 2-PCGS. This population has been at this level for many years.

Do we know which one is in the Tyrant collection? Is it from the Ely, Cleneay or Wetmore collections? The following is from CoinFacts.

We know the original purchasers from the Mint of five complete Gold Proof Sets of 1877:

• Herman Ely collection sold at Woodward’s January, 1884 Auction lot 952.
• Thomas Cleneay collection sold at S.H. & H. Chapman’s December, 1890 Auction lot 428.
• William B. Wetmore collection sold at S.H. & H. Chapman’s June, 1906 lot 160.
• Brock Family Collection now in the American Numismatic Society Collection.
• The United States Mint Collection saved since day one and now in the Smithsonian Institution Collection.

• https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/1877-10/8817

The following is the Mountain Home specimen which I haven't been able to trace to one of the original purchasers yet.

• https://www.pcgs.com/cert/37523374

I found a Registry Album link for Mountain Home but it's empty now:

• https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/u-s-coins/proof-sets/1877-proof-set-gold/album/195561

skier07

I was fortunate enough to see his Eagle Collection at Long Beach. It was spectacular and I felt like I was at a museum. Every coin was incredible looking. Long Beach has had some neat displays and this may be my favorite based on the overall size and quality of his collection and of course I have a gold coin bias.

@Gazes
I have a small flyer from his display with a description of every coin. Is there a new book that’s available?

jmlanzaf

@BryceM said:
A bunch of the collection was at Long Beach, back when there used to be a Long Beach show. The sheer magnitude of it was hard to comprehend. Like you say, any individual coin is a monster on its own. Together, it's simply incredible.

When you consider all coins and not just US issues, I think the Tyrant collection blows away Eliasberg, Pittman, Hanson, etc. It is a remarkable collection which I don't think is as fully appreciated as it should be.

Zoins

@jmlanzaf said:

@BryceM said:
A bunch of the collection was at Long Beach, back when there used to be a Long Beach show. The sheer magnitude of it was hard to comprehend. Like you say, any individual coin is a monster on its own. Together, it's simply incredible.

When you consider all coins and not just US issues, I think the Tyrant collection blows away Eliasberg, Pittman, Hanson, etc. It is a remarkable collection which I don't think is as fully appreciated as it should be.

Why do you think that's the case?

From a US coin perspective, does Tyrant only have $10 gold? I can't find any other denomination on the website.

rec78

@jmlanzaf said:

@BryceM said:
A bunch of the collection was at Long Beach, back when there used to be a Long Beach show. The sheer magnitude of it was hard to comprehend. Like you say, any individual coin is a monster on its own. Together, it's simply incredible.

When you consider all coins and not just US issues, I think the Tyrant collection blows away Eliasberg, Pittman, Hanson, etc. It is a remarkable collection which I don't think is as fully appreciated as it should be.

Eliasberg had everything(All US issues -gold included) and many finest known examples and all unique coins known at the time, how can any collection beat this? Eliasberg had many world coins also.

jmlanzaf

@Zoins said:

@jmlanzaf said:

@BryceM said:
A bunch of the collection was at Long Beach, back when there used to be a Long Beach show. The sheer magnitude of it was hard to comprehend. Like you say, any individual coin is a monster on its own. Together, it's simply incredible.

When you consider all coins and not just US issues, I think the Tyrant collection blows away Eliasberg, Pittman, Hanson, etc. It is a remarkable collection which I don't think is as fully appreciated as it should be.

Why do you think that's the case?

From a US coin perspective, does Tyrant only have $10 gold? I can't find any other denomination on the website.

The number of World rarities he has are, I think, only rivaled by the Royal collection. We're talking coins with only a couple examples known to exist. His UK collection is almost the English equivalent of the Eliasberg collection...if U.S. history were 1400 years long!!!

Edited to add: For example, he has the only complete Edward VIII proof set in private hands. There were only 5. 3 are in museums and one was sold in pieces.

Zoins

@jmlanzaf said:

@rec78 said:

@jmlanzaf said:

@BryceM said:
A bunch of the collection was at Long Beach, back when there used to be a Long Beach show. The sheer magnitude of it was hard to comprehend. Like you say, any individual coin is a monster on its own. Together, it's simply incredible.

When you consider all coins and not just US issues, I think the Tyrant collection blows away Eliasberg, Pittman, Hanson, etc. It is a remarkable collection which I don't think is as fully appreciated as it should be.

Eliasberg had everything(All US issues -gold included) and many finest known examples and all unique coins known at the time, how can any collection beat this? Eliasberg had many world coins also.

Eliasberg had more US coins. Yawn. As I said, if you look past just US issues, Tyrant is amazing.

Tyrant has a 1400 year long portrait set of all English monarchs. Some of those coins are VERY SCARCE. As mentioned above, he has the only complete Edward VIII proof set in private hands with only 5 known.

The number of coins he has that have only a couple examples known is staggering.

Pittman had a far better world collection than Eliasberg. But the Tyrant collection is just staggering.

But what if we look at, say, Asian coins? Does Tyrant has nothing here?

There are many ways to rank a set and people have their own criteria.

edwardjulio

NLH.

jmlanzaf

@rec78 said:

@jmlanzaf said:

@BryceM said:
A bunch of the collection was at Long Beach, back when there used to be a Long Beach show. The sheer magnitude of it was hard to comprehend. Like you say, any individual coin is a monster on its own. Together, it's simply incredible.

When you consider all coins and not just US issues, I think the Tyrant collection blows away Eliasberg, Pittman, Hanson, etc. It is a remarkable collection which I don't think is as fully appreciated as it should be.

Eliasberg had everything(All US issues -gold included) and many finest known examples and all unique coins known at the time, how can any collection beat this? Eliasberg had many world coins also.

Your U.S. bias is showing.

Zoins

@jmlanzaf said:

@rec78 said:

@jmlanzaf said:

@BryceM said:
A bunch of the collection was at Long Beach, back when there used to be a Long Beach show. The sheer magnitude of it was hard to comprehend. Like you say, any individual coin is a monster on its own. Together, it's simply incredible.

When you consider all coins and not just US issues, I think the Tyrant collection blows away Eliasberg, Pittman, Hanson, etc. It is a remarkable collection which I don't think is as fully appreciated as it should be.

Eliasberg had everything(All US issues -gold included) and many finest known examples and all unique coins known at the time, how can any collection beat this? Eliasberg had many world coins also.

Your U.S. bias is showing.

Perhaps some leniency is in order as we are on the U.S. Coin Forum

I wonder if we'll get a different result on the World & Ancient Coins Forum:

https://forums.collectors.com/categories/world-ancient-coins-forum

Zoins

@edwardjulio said:
@Zoins - This research may have some errors, but is correct for the most part for three of the coins.

Wow! That's great tracking! It's amazing that there's only a single TrueView among these coins. Very rarified territory and makes it feel like collecting long ago.

jmlanzaf

@Zoins said:

@jmlanzaf said:

@rec78 said:

@jmlanzaf said:

@BryceM said:
A bunch of the collection was at Long Beach, back when there used to be a Long Beach show. The sheer magnitude of it was hard to comprehend. Like you say, any individual coin is a monster on its own. Together, it's simply incredible.

When you consider all coins and not just US issues, I think the Tyrant collection blows away Eliasberg, Pittman, Hanson, etc. It is a remarkable collection which I don't think is as fully appreciated as it should be.

Eliasberg had everything(All US issues -gold included) and many finest known examples and all unique coins known at the time, how can any collection beat this? Eliasberg had many world coins also.

Eliasberg had more US coins. Yawn. As I said, if you look past just US issues, Tyrant is amazing.

Tyrant has a 1400 year long portrait set of all English monarchs. Some of those coins are VERY SCARCE. As mentioned above, he has the only complete Edward VIII proof set in private hands with only 5 known.

The number of coins he has that have only a couple examples known is staggering.

Pittman had a far better world collection than Eliasberg. But the Tyrant collection is just staggering.

But what if we look at, say, Asian coins? Does Tyrant has nothing here?

There are many ways to rank a set and people have their own criteria.

Tyrant has some near Eastern coins. I don't think he has anything from the Far East. But that is hardly a shortcoming compared to Eliasberg.

Frankly, with a global perspective, I think Pittman's collection is better than Eliasberg's. Pittman may have been missing a few coins Eliasberg had, but Pittman also had some gold issues that Eliasberg lacked. But Pittman's global collection far exceeded Eliasberg's including one of the best Canada collections ever assembled.

@Zoins said:

@jmlanzaf said:

@rec78 said:

@jmlanzaf said:

@BryceM said:
A bunch of the collection was at Long Beach, back when there used to be a Long Beach show. The sheer magnitude of it was hard to comprehend. Like you say, any individual coin is a monster on its own. Together, it's simply incredible.

When you consider all coins and not just US issues, I think the Tyrant collection blows away Eliasberg, Pittman, Hanson, etc. It is a remarkable collection which I don't think is as fully appreciated as it should be.

Eliasberg had everything(All US issues -gold included) and many finest known examples and all unique coins known at the time, how can any collection beat this? Eliasberg had many world coins also.

Your U.S. bias is showing.

Perhaps some leniency is in order as we are on the U.S. Coin Forum

I wonder if we'll get a different result on the World & Ancient Coins Forum:

https://forums.collectors.com/categories/world-ancient-coins-forum

I'm not criticizing, but pointing it out. I did say that if you looked past the U.S....

Gazes

@Zoins said:

@jmlanzaf said:

@BryceM said:
A bunch of the collection was at Long Beach, back when there used to be a Long Beach show. The sheer magnitude of it was hard to comprehend. Like you say, any individual coin is a monster on its own. Together, it's simply incredible.

When you consider all coins and not just US issues, I think the Tyrant collection blows away Eliasberg, Pittman, Hanson, etc. It is a remarkable collection which I don't think is as fully appreciated as it should be.

Why do you think that's the case?

From a US coin perspective, does Tyrant only have $10 gold? I can't find any other denomination on the website.

My understanding is that he has at least one other collection of US coins but I do not believe it has been revealed yet

Gazes

@Zoins said:

@Gazes said:
There is no way to simply write a check and have his collection of eagles---it must be built over time. Im not knocking trophy coins but the tyrant's eagle collection to me is much more impressive and inspiring.

Well, you could write a check to buy entire collections. Not that it's necessarily happened here but top collectors have done it.

How many coins are there? How does it compare to Hansen's set?

Both approaches impress me. Sometimes, chances at a trophy coin just don't come up and in the rare instances they do, someone may want it more than you.

You could not write a check and buy his us $10 gold collection. The reason---his collection of coins is ground breaking. Who do u go to and say I will buy your collection of every $10 circulation strike and almost every $10 proof? Try going out and buying just a few $10 proof gold---they are hard to find. Even harder in the condition he collects. My point is if you research his collection you can tell it could not just be "bought". It has been put together (secretly) over many many years.

Currin

If I recall from a earlier press release, the Tyrant Eagle set is approx. 300 coins and valued at $50 Million. In comparison, the Simpson Collection has completed the first four parts of the six part sale. The sale at this point has realized approx. $52 Million. I not sure of the coin count, but it certainly is more than 300 coins. In comparison to Hansen, his CS/PR Eagle set is currently 255 coins. There is no value that I am aware been published on the Eagle set. If I had to to place an estimate, I would say $15-$20 Million. In fairness, Hansen’s Eagles may be his weakest Gold series.

fathom

A great accomplishment and infinite kudos for allowing the display at a coin show.

Especially as he is obviously not looking for personal recognition.

Gazes

@Currin said:
If I recall from a earlier press release, the Tyrant Eagle set is approx. 300 coins and valued at $50 Million. In comparison, the Simpson Collection has completed the first four parts of the six part sale. The sale at this point has realized approx. $52 Million. I not sure of the coin count, but it certainly is more than 300 coins. In comparison to Hansen, his CS/PR Eagle set is currently 255 coins. There is no value that I am aware been published on the Eagle set. If I had to to place an estimate, I would say $15-$20 Million. In fairness, Hansen’s Eagles may be his weakest Gold series.

Good information. Similarly I have found what Hansen is doing with Proof gold jaw dropping.

ianrussell

@Currin said:
If I recall from a earlier press release, the Tyrant Eagle set is approx. 300 coins and valued at $50 Million. In comparison, the Simpson Collection has completed the first four parts of the six part sale. The sale at this point has realized approx. $52 Million. I not sure of the coin count, but it certainly is more than 300 coins. In comparison to Hansen, his CS/PR Eagle set is currently 255 coins. There is no value that I am aware been published on the Eagle set. If I had to to place an estimate, I would say $15-$20 Million. In fairness, Hansen’s Eagles may be his weakest Gold series.

When I first saw the press release about the Tyrant collection being "the most valuable coin collection ever formed", I thought it couldn't possibly be true. But I was wrong. The English, French, Ancients, $10 gold - insane value - not to mention the other countries/regions, his U.S. type set etc.. Each collection is better than the home country's museum/institution collections!

• Ian

jmlanzaf

@ianrussell said:

@Currin said:
If I recall from a earlier press release, the Tyrant Eagle set is approx. 300 coins and valued at $50 Million. In comparison, the Simpson Collection has completed the first four parts of the six part sale. The sale at this point has realized approx. $52 Million. I not sure of the coin count, but it certainly is more than 300 coins. In comparison to Hansen, his CS/PR Eagle set is currently 255 coins. There is no value that I am aware been published on the Eagle set. If I had to to place an estimate, I would say $15-$20 Million. In fairness, Hansen’s Eagles may be his weakest Gold series.

When I first saw the press release about the Tyrant collection being "the most valuable coin collection ever formed", I thought it couldn't possibly be true. But I was wrong. The English, French, Ancients, $10 gold - insane value - not to mention the other countries/regions, his U.S. type set etc.. Each collection is better than the home country's museum/institution collections!

• Ian

Agreed. It is just amazing.

skier07

Here are my pictures from the Tyrant Collection display at Long Beach:

ricko

@skier07 .... Thanks for those pictures. I imagine that display was mind boggling in person....Really amazing. As for the possibility of buying the complete collection..... Well, a Bezos or Musk could easily handle that - if they were interested collectors. Cheers, RickO

Zoins

@skier07 said:
Here are my pictures from the Tyrant Collection display at Long Beach:

Imagine having that in your home?

Great photos @skier07!

Gazes

@ricko said:
@skier07 .... Thanks for those pictures. I imagine that display was mind boggling in person....Really amazing. As for the possibility of buying the complete collection..... Well, a Bezos or Musk could easily handle that - if they were interested collectors. Cheers, RickO

Bezos or others have the money but 1) until tyrant no one had such collection intact to buy and 2) tyrant probably wouldnt sell. Thats what impresses me about Tyrant---he did it the old fashion way.

Boosibri

Wish we knew who tyrant is. Amazing collection!!!

jmlanzaf

@Gazes said:

@ricko said:
@skier07 .... Thanks for those pictures. I imagine that display was mind boggling in person....Really amazing. As for the possibility of buying the complete collection..... Well, a Bezos or Musk could easily handle that - if they were interested collectors. Cheers, RickO

Bezos or others have the money but 1) until tyrant no one had such collection intact to buy and 2) tyrant probably wouldnt sell. Thats what impresses me about Tyrant---he did it the old fashion way.

More than just doing it "the old fashioned way", he really did it his own way. He defined his own criteria for building a collection and then spent decades (?) acquiring some unbelievable rarities.

It is a remarkable collection that is really made up of multiple remarkable collections.

tcollects

I like how he made the display uniform with PCGS and NGC graded coins by slabbing each slab in its own giant capital plastics holder

of course each of those holders still needs to be CAC'd with a giant sticker but at least it's a good start

WAYNEAS

Words just escape me. How does one limit its praise to just one word.
I can only think of one expression. MIND BLOWING!

MedalCollector

@tcollects said:
I like how he made the display uniform with PCGS and NGC graded coins by slabbing each slab in its own giant capital plastics holder

of course each of those holders still needs to be CAC'd with a giant sticker but at least it's a good start

I haven’t seen the rest of what has been displayed of the collection, but I think it is a big statement that this collector’s coins are in both types of slabs, from various slab generations, beaned or not. Great coins are out there in all slabs!

tcollects

I can't wait to see everyone's head explode when it comes out that tyrant is lil wayne

Zoins

@Boosibri said:
Wish we knew who tyrant is.

Those in the know, know.

tcollects

@Zoins said:

@Boosibri said:
Wish we knew who tyrant is.

Those in the know, know.

it's lil wayne

Zoins

@skier07 said:
Here are my pictures from the Tyrant Collection display at Long Beach:
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I just noticed that there are some pretty old ATS slabs there, from the inserts.