1822 Half Eagle coming soon

GoBust

Stacks Bowers just announced 1822 Half Eagle will be auctioned on March 25, 2021 in Las Vegas. Hard to state how important this phenominal rarity is within the universe of American gold coins. Who is up for a bid?

PerryHall

There's only one in private hands. The other two are in the Smithsonian Institute.

BillJones

I could sell my collection, and maybe have a down payment.

The consignor should back my bids. Every time I bid on something at auction the prices goes nuts. I have a talent for being the under bidder, but this coin is beyond my capacity.

To be honest, I have some coins that are already in my collection that I like more. A 1795 half eagle, a 1796 No Stars quarter eagle and an 1848 CAL. quarter eagle would all rank ahead of it. I would rather have a high grade Chain Cent. The 1822 half eagle is a coin that happens to be rare because of a probable low mintage and mass meltings in Europe. That is not the most interesting story in numismatics.

BillJones

@PerryHall said:
There's only one in private hands. The other two are in the Smithsonian Institute.

Where probably no one can see them, unless you are a 12 year old intern.

yosclimber

One of their two (the US Mint Collection specimen) was visible to the public in 2010.
https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/796393/smithsonian-museum-collection-washington-dc-lots-of-pictures

and in 2013
https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/882432/smithsonian-stories-on-money-exhibit-report

Online catalog photo of the US Mint Collection coin.
https://americanhistory.si.edu/collections/search/object/nmah_472679
https://americanhistory.si.edu/collections/object-groups/national-numismatic-collection

Online catalog photo of the Josiah K. Lilly Jr. Collection coin.
https://americanhistory.si.edu/collections/search/object/nmah_1076695

The Pogue coin. Photo by Stacks Bowers.
https://auctions.stacksbowers.com/lots/view/3-4HYH2/1822-capped-head-left-half-eagle-bass-dannreuther-1-rarity-8-au-50-pcgs

GoBust

Well those a great photos from the Smithsonian!

Panda4456

Yawn

lkeigwin

I'll bid. And lose. But I'll always be able to say I was an underbidder.
Lance.

MFeld

@Panda4456 said:
Yawn

If the subject bores you, why did you post? Edited to add: It added nothing and was quite rude.

Jimnight

I love coins like this!!

Pnies20

@lkeigwin said:
I'll bid. And lose. But I'll always be able to say I was an underbidder.
Lance.

What if you bid... and accidentally win? 😎

ricko

Certainly one of the great rarities.... Maybe I will find one at a yard sale.... Well, it could happen. Cheers, RickO

spacehayduke

@yosclimber said:

and in 2013
https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/882432/smithsonian-stories-on-money-exhibit-report

I remember seeing it at the numismatic room at the Smith Museum of American History. They had some rarities, and about 20 coins displayed. Given the size of their collection, underwhelming but at least one got to seem some famous coins. But not very educational for the non-numismatist. Even their new and expanded display is way short.....

HST, price predictions? Is the Pogue 22 going to break the record? $12 million? Less? More?

Best, SH

Panda4456

@MFeld said:

@Panda4456 said:
Yawn

If the subject bores you, why did you post? Edited to add: It added nothing and was quite rude.

I was just trolling. It’s a nice coin but most of us won’t be able to come near the coins because we don’t have the funds lol

abcde12345

@Jimnight said:
I love coins like this!!

Zoins

@BillJones said:

@PerryHall said:
There's only one in private hands. The other two are in the Smithsonian Institute.

Where probably no one can see them, unless you are a 12 year old intern.

Viewing of the Smithsonian collection have been mentioned here. Here are some threads:

• An Intimate Encounter With The National Numismatic Collection at the Smithsonian LOTS OF PHOTOS
• Josiah K. Lilly collection showcased at Smithsonian VIP Event

GoBust

It will be interesting to see if anyone new and unknown gets involved here. With Dell Loy almost certainly having strong interest, and tradedollarnut and privaterarecoincollector expressing no interest at the moment. Who might be the other competitors in that realm? The only one in private hands, the once every 50 years or so opportunity. I'm assuming Mr. Simpson likely not a player, given his decision to pass on some of his treasure chest to others. But this is another key historical numismatic moment. We really are spoiled over the last five years. Newman, Gardner, Pogue, and Simpson events to name a few. It's been a massive changing of the guard. Was the only other era like this the period of Eliasberg, Garret and Norweb sales? At least in our lifetime. Of course, somehow in each of these collecting eras these famous and fabulous coins find a new caretaker. It really appears the market is deep, and much stronger than some imagine. The new wave of pinnacle collectors led by the current generation chomping at the bit for opportunities not seen in 20 to 50 years! Let's toast the moment, I really don't think this will occur for another 20 years.

Zoins

@GoBust said:
It will be interesting to see if anyone new and unknown gets involved here. With Dell Loy almost certainly having strong interest, and tradedollarnut and privaterarecoincollector expressing no interest at the moment. Who might be the other competitors in that realm? The only one in private hands, the once every 50 years or so opportunity. I'm assuming Mr. Simpson likely not a player, given his decision to pass on some of his treasure chest to others. But this is another key historical numismatic moment. We really are spoiled over the last five years. Newman, Gardner, Pogue, and Simpson events to name a few. It's been a massive changing of the guard. Was the only other era like this the period of Eliasberg, Garret and Norweb sales? At least in our lifetime. Of course, somehow in each of these collecting eras these famous and fabulous coins find a new caretaker. It really appears the market is deep, and much stronger than some imagine. The new wave of pinnacle collectors led by the current generation chomping at the bit for opportunities not seen in 20 to 50 years! Let's toast the moment, I really don't think this will occur for another 20 years.

Agree, though I haven't seen the next generation of major collectors yet. I wonder if any our out there collecting in private.

tradedollarnut

@GoBust said:
It will be interesting to see if anyone new and unknown gets involved here. With Dell Loy almost certainly having strong interest, and tradedollarnut and privaterarecoincollector expressing no interest at the moment. Who might be the other competitors in that realm? The only one in private hands, the once every 50 years or so opportunity. I'm assuming Mr. Simpson likely not a player, given his decision to pass on some of his treasure chest to others. But this is another key historical numismatic moment. We really are spoiled over the last five years. Newman, Gardner, Pogue, and Simpson events to name a few. It's been a massive changing of the guard. Was the only other era like this the period of Eliasberg, Garret and Norweb sales? At least in our lifetime. Of course, somehow in each of these collecting eras these famous and fabulous coins find a new caretaker. It really appears the market is deep, and much stronger than some imagine. The new wave of pinnacle collectors led by the current generation chomping at the bit for opportunities not seen in 20 to 50 years! Let's toast the moment, I really don't think this will occur for another 20 years.

Tyrant

ernie11

6 days out from live bidding, and internet bidding has it up to $3 million so far.

https://auctions.stacksbowers.com/lots/view/3-Q4SHM/1822-capped-head-left-half-eagle-bd-1-rarity-8-au-50-pcgs

Exbrit

Should be fun to watch. maybe another trip to the smithsonian.

DoubleDime

I've seen the one in the Smithsonian and other rarities when I was stationed in D. C. 1977-79.

ernie11

@DoubleDime said:
I've seen the one in the Smithsonian and other rarities when I was stationed in D. C. 1977-79.

I think I saw it when I was there in the mid-70's, too. I think also an 1804 $1 and a 1913 Liberty nickel. If the Smithsonian doesn't possess either of these, then my memory is playing tricks on me.

ernie11

4 days out from live bidding, and internet bidding has it up to $3.4 million so far.