Fake 1922 cent in fake PCGS slab
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Done and ditto for the seller’s other bogus listing: https://www.ebay.com/itm/1909-S-VDB-Lincoln-Cent-PCGS-MS64RD/164410275358?hash=item26479db61e:g:~eYAAOSwroxfdMfw
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
Yikes. Very bad
From our friends in China.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
1922 date looks like it was put on with a Sharpie.
Out of curiosity, what options are you guys using in the drop downs to report this monstrosity?
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seller's other items
report link
1) Report category: Prohibited and restricted items
2) Reason for report: (near the bottom) Stamps, currency and coins
3) Detailed reason: Replica coins, replica paper money, and replica stamps
Click “Continue” and fill in the “Brief description” box.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
Thanks @MFeld, that’s what I’ve been using as well.
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Reported.
Great transactions with oih82w8, JasonGaming, Moose1913.
Saved images before they disappear.
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Report Category: Copyright and trademark
Reason for Report: Counterfeit item or authenticity disclaimer
Detailed Reason: Counterfeit, fake, or replica items
slab is real: CERT VERIFICATION #14263270
PCGS Coin Information
According to the PCGS Certification Database, the requested certification number is defined as the following:
PCGS # 37676 (Variety of: 3285)
Date, mintmark 1922 No D
Denomination 1C
Variety No D Strong Rev FS-401 (FS-013.2)
Region The United States of America
Grade AU55BN
Holder Type Standard
Population 1 (Total: 94)
Pop Higher 0 (Total: 107)
PCGS Price GuideSM Value $5,500
Slab number checks out... but no picture there....Cheers, RickO
Via friends in Chicago
I wonder if most of the money is made by the manufacturer or the importer.
Check this out. I think they've gotten more expensive.
This says 27 days to arrival from China, but the eBay listing says arriving in 2 weeks. I wonder if it's already in the US. I'm also guessing there would be more returns if the postmark was from overseas as mentioned here.
If we can't do anything permanent with eBay, what hope is there for this.
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32778075348.html?
Thank you all for helping.
This one is up to $255!
With the surge of new ANA Membership, I hope they are warning new collectors against things like this.
I hate to imagine how much new collectors may be falling for things like this.
just curious. are you saying the slab is real?
No the cert is real
Man, that coin isn't even close!!!
Pete
I like that route better. Not sure why eBay makes this so hard...
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Both reported
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So they are telling you it’s fake?
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Yes, but it seems making fakes of coins before 1949 is legal in China.
I have to imagine there's some PCGS trademark infringement.
And of course, importing into the US is illegal but it's people here doing that.
In China it is legal to make counterfeit Chinese coins minted before 1949.
As for foreign coins it is legal to make counterfeits of any coin no longer in production.
Lance.
Reported.
Done.
Done
Both auctions still up & running.
Once again, report both using the below parameters....
Report Category: Copyright and trademark
Reason for Report: Counterfeit item or authenticity disclaimer
Detailed Reason: Counterfeit, fake, or replica items
Both nuked....
& seller NARUD
There is power in numbers.
POOF
Great job!
Thank you for saving the images before it went "POOF!" It's alway good to add to my" virtual black cabinet."
Is that 1922 the thick and giant date variety?
Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.-Albert Einstein
That will be the "Godzilla Date" variety in my new book!
Will ICG slab these?
That will be the "Godzilla Date" variety in my new book!
When will your book be published/released and what will it cover?
Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.-Albert Einstein
No. They did slab an example of the famous Omega Man counterfeit High Relief Saint and made it very clear on the slab label that it was a counterfeit. Wasn't there a major grading service that slabbed several Micro O Morgan silver dollars that were counterfeit?
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
2022 for the Centennial.
Everything I can think of. Just got an idea for an illustration this morning while reading another forum.
1922-D is a date I actually found when I was a kid in the early '60's looking for examples of Lincoln cents for my Whitman folder. Happens to be the scarcest Lincoln by date. Never did find a single example of 1909 cent in a bank roll. The competition was fierce in those days. I would get the same rolls back from the bank that I turned in for what were, hopefully, fresh rolls to look through.
Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.-Albert Einstein
I used to do that with Jeffs and ended up with a complete set (minus the 50-D, of course).
Pete
I'll just leave this here for reference because it seems some posters aren't fully aware.
Basically, TrueView is the way to go nowadays.
Re-holdered coins are safe unless you know what you're doing.
https://www.cointalk.com/threads/an-examination-of-the-counterfeit-slab-epidemic-scope-and-advice.355364/
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I think you need to add "don't" before the word "know".
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
You can get genuine coins with TrueViews but people have reported reholdered AT coins with TrueViews so there is that to watch out for.
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Awkward
Re-holdered coins are safe unless you know what you're doing, & then it doesn't matter
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Yes...That is a nice new trick since ID'ing the coin using an random imperfection will reveal it to be original.
Coins that turn in the holder are something to watch out for also. (spots, AT or Alt-surf)
I think the link is generally helpful though.
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@CaptHenway What do you think of this one?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1922-No-D-1C-Lincoln-Cent-Strong-Reverse-MS-63RB-NGC-Great-Toning-RARE-WOW/114358566633?hash=item1aa04d3ee9:g:zMoAAOSwg~RfIkoi
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The link does say ATS takes full slab photos. I wonder why PCGS hasn’t done this yet.
PCGS ATP (Across The Pond) does this.
I have the dark side coins that I get from Europe re-TrueViewed in CA because they lack detail.
ATS does coin shots now out of the holder.
Can't remember what they call them but they cost extra.
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They contain detail of the slab which are targets of counterfeiters
Generally you need both, not one or the other which is why eBay requires both close ups and slab shots. Of course, if TPGs provided both closeups and slab shots, then eBay sellers could juts use TPG photos and not their own.
Since the RFID slabs only work after you receive the slab, I wonder if this will be good enough to use with eBay and PayPal or will coin sellers eventually need to be enrolled in eBay Managed Payments for this to work as an effective deterrent?
It's called PhotoVision. A lot are showing up on the bay now.