Artificial or authentic?

joeykoins · September 13, 2020 7:48AM

Good Morning guys, while I was at my B+M shop, I came across a group of these very bluish Silver Eagles. Even the owner admits they could be Artificial. What do you guy's think? Also, anyone ever see these in this cardboard holder? Thanks

Zoins · September 13, 2020 7:57AM

I haven't seen that holder before but I'm not surprised. I'm am a bit surprised that they don't have toning more like the following MS69 discussed before.

https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/982866/corrugated-cardboard-toning-formerly-waffle-toning/p1

From what I've seen in holders, they'd be worth trying to get graded.

ms70 · September 13, 2020 7:57AM

I'm not an expert but I say NT. That cardboard holder is probably what did it.

How much did he want for them?

Smudge · September 13, 2020 8:01AM

Too blue. I guess AT.

ifthevamzarockin · September 13, 2020 8:04AM

291fifth · September 13, 2020 8:15AM

Probably NT. The silver eagles tend to tone very darkly over time. Those look like they well on their way to that level of darkness. The holder probably has a high sulfur content.

pursuitofliberty · September 13, 2020 8:30AM

@ifthevamzarockin said:

Oh hell, I'll say it ...

Did they tone naturally? Yes, they almost certainly picked up their color from that holder without any other acceleration.

Were they put in that home fashioned holder with the absolute and sole intent to tone, and not protect or display? Yeah, probably ... almost certainly.

Will they grade? Good question. I wouldn't count on it ... however, I have seen stranger things, so I wouldn't bet against it either.

Are they Market Acceptable? Probably, to some buyers. I wouldn't be interested.

ike126 · September 13, 2020 8:33AM

I always try to remember that they tone differently then reg 90% silver coins. 99% tends to tone more rapidly then Morgans walkers etc

chesterb · September 13, 2020 8:41AM

They look AT to me.

BTW, how do we define AT vs. NT? Is it intent? I mean, you can stick them in a holder like that to tone them OR you can do it quicker by some other means but the outcome and appearance, for the most part, are the same.

The way I look at it is the appearance doesn't look natural to me based on how they'd tone under normal circumstances. Therefore, they're AT.

chesterb · September 13, 2020 8:49AM

@pursuitofliberty said:

@ifthevamzarockin said:

Oh hell, I'll say it ...

Did they tone naturally? Yes, they almost certainly picked up their color from that holder without any other acceleration.

Were they put in that home fashioned holder with the absolute and sole intent to tone, and not protect or display? Yeah, probably ... almost certainly.

Will they grade? Good question. I wouldn't count on it ... however, I have seen stranger things, so I wouldn't bet against it either.

Are they Market Acceptable? Probably, to some buyers. I wouldn't be interested.

Sorry @pursuitofliberty I posted my comment and then read your post which were very similar. I agree 100%!

bsshog40 · September 13, 2020 10:28AM

I say cardboard holder toning. NT

airplanenut · September 13, 2020 11:05AM

I'm not sure they're actually AT (as in, I believe the holder could have done that), but that's a shade of blue that is often considered AT. Then again, Silver Eagles are a series where plenty of ridiculous color seems to be seen as NT (or at least market acceptable) and ends up straight-grading. So for these, I say it's a toss-up.

To save him the time of having to write his own reply, @ricko says they're tarnished and should be melted.