Rare date Bust half, cac/crossover or no?
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I was discussing this rare date Bust half on ebay, the 1815/2 NGC XF45 with an expert here. Do you think this would cross at 45 to PCGS and or cac?
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mmmm ... pretty decent looking piece for that rarity. A little glossy, but that may be the pictures. Not bad.
No, I don't THINK it would cross, because I don't think it's a 45.
So, in that respect, I also don't think it would CAC ... HOWEVER ... it is a still an good looking coin, and frankly, last time I checked EF or Choice EF are in a very close price range on that one. It's not more than that, and if it's less, maybe it's a VF-35+ at absolute worst?
At least from the pictures.
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I have my doubts. The price difference between a 40 and a 45 on coinfacts is 2k. 6K for a 40 and 8K for a 45. As for CAC? If it was a candidate, it would already have the bean. I'd leave it in the NGC holder. Looks a bit(?) overgraded to me. But hey, I'm just one guy.
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35 or 40 but it doesn't matter. If you know how to price it compared to others it will sell for what it is worth.
I sold this 35 in a 40 for strong 40 money...I would buy this coin over that 45.
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Agree.
Looks to have some luster around the periphery. Are those hairlines from an old cleaning or what? Sorry, hard to tell from the pic.
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I would say no on both counts.
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A lot of "net" games get played with this date at both services, I wouldn't bet my life on a crossover for sure.
I do not think it would cross at grade.
It looks like a 40 to me, so I doubt it would cross, unless there's a lot of luster that's just not showing in the photos.
I would not handicap a cross or CAC unless seeing it in hand. Start by asking whether you would be happy with the coin gardless of plastic or stickers
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Why cross? It looks great where it is.
No. An EF45 coin should have claims to AU status and should show some luster especially in protected areas. I see none. I would also call it a 40.
Personally, I would leave it where it is but, to answer your question, ‘yes, I think it should on both counts’.
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I think it would be a no no.
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Since I would grade the OP as an EF-40, I would say that it will not cross.
I doubt it would sticker as a 40
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It might grade as a 40 but would not sticker because of the hairlines (assuming those marks are on the coin and not on the plastic.)
Here is a PCGS XF45 that solhttps://coins.ha.com/itm/bust-half-dollars/half-dollars/1815-2-50c-o-101-r2-xf45-pcgs/a/1294-3476.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515d:
https://www.pcgs.com/auctionprices/details/1815-2-ms/6108
There are many average and few high end coins that sold with this variety.
https://www.pcgs.com/auctionprices/details/1815-2-ms/6108
The coin you linked grades 45, not 40.
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Oops, I looked at so many not sure how I mixed that up.
I also see it as a 40 with no CAC.
Tom
An XF45 coin is in the XF grade. It should not be necessary to have "any claims" on the next grade higher. You have many CBH XF45's without luster remaining, often with bold strikes and clean, original surfaces. And you can have dipped out XF45's showing some remaining luster in the protected areas. Pick your poison. Luster being a requirement on XF coins pretty much went by the way side almost 20-30 yrs ago. In many cases, you may not even see any luster on AU50 coins...especially if deeply toned. And you can find luster on VF coins....doesn't make 'em XF or AU.
In any case the OP's coin does appear to have luster around the the devices and design (ie stars).
Nah, I wouldn't try it. It looks happy where it is now.
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Not a bad looking coin, but I don't think that's a 45. Looks like a 35 obverse with a 42.5 to 43 reverse.
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It's too bad they don't have an alternative to "reconsideration" with possible downgrades, etc..
I wouldn't do it. It looks fine, even GOOD right where it is.