OFFICIAL Seated Liberty coins with CHOPMARKS Thread

MilkmanDan

We're all familiar with the U.S. Trade Dollar and the abundance of these coins that can be found with Chinese chopmarks, but there are other U.S. denominations, and a bunch of other countries who used the Seated Liberty design and are were used in the Chinese trade. In fact, the U.S. Seated Liberty design wasn't even the first.

Let's use this thread as a place to post Seated Liberty coins FROM ANY COUNTRY with Chinese Chopmarks. I think you'll be surprised how many designs out there feature both the design and the chopmarks!

MilkmanDan

To kick things off, here's a nice half dollar from the New Orleans mint, with one of my favorite dates.

JasonGaming

Got this super original piece for a good price, very happy with it.

ricko

Very nice... That first one is a unique chop....I have not collected any but the Trade Dollars....Cheers, RickO

CaptainBlunt

Does anybody have any Seated halves with chopmarks pedigreed to the
Irving Goodman Collection
Superior Galleries May 27, 28 1996

I think the cataloguer stated Goodman had purchased the coins in Hong Kong during the 1960’s

I have only seen the text...don’t know if there were any images

Lot 985 Group of coins, etc.

ChopmarkedTrades

Well if it's official then! Only Seated Halves for me, the other denominations just haven't become available enough for me to get an example.

@CaptainBlunt said:
Does anybody have any Seated halves with chopmarks pedigreed to the
Irving Goodman Collection
Superior Galleries May 27, 28 1996

I think the cataloguer stated Goodman had purchased the coins in Hong Kong during the 1960’s

I have only seen the text...don’t know if there were any images

Lot 985 Group of coins, etc.

I've never seen any images of the coins in question (not sure if the catalog contains any, I would doubt it), but QDB described a full inventory of the dates of the Seated Liberty hoard, totaling 169 pieces ranging from 1843-1895. Of these, only four were chopmarked, one of each of the following: 1843-P, 1846-P, 1863-S, and 1864-S. I did once own a nice, original chopmarked 1843-P, which is a particularly early date to find with chops and coincides with the description of one of the dates in the Goodman Collection, but it would be difficult to determine if they were the same coin.

MilkmanDan

@ChopmarkedTrades You should consider posting one of your nice non-U.S. seated coins with chops here.

ChopmarkedTrades

@OriginalDan said:
@ChopmarkedTrades You should consider posting one of your nice non-U.S. seated coins with chops here.

Technically a Seated Liberty!

Boosibri

Great coins guys!

MilkmanDan

Figured someone would post a chopmarked trade dollar by now. Here's a nice 74-CC graded MS63 by our hosts.

MilkmanDan

@ChopmarkedTrades said:

This is one of the coolest chopmarked coins out there.

MilkmanDan

@CaptainBlunt said:
Does anybody have any Seated halves with chopmarks pedigreed to the
Irving Goodman Collection
Superior Galleries May 27, 28 1996

I think the cataloguer stated Goodman had purchased the coins in Hong Kong during the 1960’s

I have only seen the text...don’t know if there were any images

Lot 985 Group of coins, etc.

The only Irving Goodman coin I own is a chopmarked 960 Reis. Killer coin, but not a seated half so I'll save that one for another thread.

ChopmarkedTrades

@OriginalDan said:
The only Irving Goodman coin I own is a chopmarked 960 Reis. Killer coin, but not a seated half so I'll save that one for another thread.

Still own the 43-P? Potentially a Goodman coin.

@ChopmarkedTrades said:

@CaptainBlunt said:
Does anybody have any Seated halves with chopmarks pedigreed to the
Irving Goodman Collection
Superior Galleries May 27, 28 1996

I think the cataloguer stated Goodman had purchased the coins in Hong Kong during the 1960’s

I have only seen the text...don’t know if there were any images

Lot 985 Group of coins, etc.

I've never seen any images of the coins in question (not sure if the catalog contains any, I would doubt it), but QDB described a full inventory of the dates of the Seated Liberty hoard, totaling 169 pieces ranging from 1843-1895. Of these, only four were chopmarked, one of each of the following: 1843-P, 1846-P, 1863-S, and 1864-S. I did once own a nice, original chopmarked 1843-P, which is a particularly early date to find with chops and coincides with the description of one of the dates in the Goodman Collection, but it would be difficult to determine if they were the same coin.

Barberian

jayPem

MilkmanDan

@Barberian said:

That character looks like 仁, or rén, which according to google translate means "benevolence".

MilkmanDan

@jayPem said:

Chopmark on the obverse of the 1861-S looks like it could be 炳 or bǐng, meaning "bright, brilliant, or luminous".

Chopmark on the reverse looks like it could be 太 or tài, meaning "highest, greatest, or too (much)"

MilkmanDan

@ChopmarkedTrades said:>
Still own the 43-P? Potentially a Goodman coin.

Here it is, and I think you're right that it could be a Goodman coin. Hard to say without pictures to match, but how many chopmarked 1843-P halves can there be out there?

Characters on this one:

厷 (old variant of 肱)- gōng - upper arm; part of the arm

壽 (old variant of 寿)- shòu - long life, old age, age; life; birthday

stealer

Here's a fun one that I picked up on eBay a few months ago that needs to go in for grading. It'll probably come in as a 58, but has an outside chance at eking out a 61 or 62.

DDR

Cool thread! I have about a dozen chop marked Seated Halves, most are pretty beat up but that's OK. Most are S mints from the 1860s, as you would expect, with a few from the 1850s. Unfortunately, I don't have any pics to post. I also have a couple of Bust Halves from the 1830s with chop marks. So, you can see that there was a real demand at the time for a Trade Dollar to be used in trade with China.

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MilkmanDan

Posted this one elsewhere recently, here's a special coin from the F.M. Rose collection, featured as a plate in his book on Chopmarks.

MilkmanDan

Paging @TradesWithChops I know you have a few to share.

ChopmarkedTrades

Shore up this post's store of Trade Dollars.

TradesWithChops

@OriginalDan said:
Paging @TradesWithChops I know you have a few to share.

I have one seated liberty, but it's still raw. I planto submit it to PCGS.

I can add trade dollars, though!

TradesWithChops

A few of my favorites:

TradesWithChops

TennesseeDave

MilkmanDan

Nice trades guys!

Here's a French Indo-China Piastre, issued from 1885-95. The coin was intended to compete with various trade dollars from the Straits Settlements, India, Mexico and the United States. French Indochina was occupied by the Japanese in 1940. French attempts to reoccupy the area after World War Two were challenged by Ho Chi Minh and the Viet Minh, leading to French defeat and withdrawal in 1954. The colony was divided into Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos.

Many elements of the imagery should be familiar to us, with Seated Liberty holding a fasces (full bands anyone?). The headdress resembles our Statue of Liberty, and the wheat stalks similar to our Trade Dollar. Instead of the ocean (US trade dollar) or the ocean and ship (British trade dollar) the designer chose to include a ship anchor. The reverse is also similar to other coin designs of the time. The designer and engraver did an excellent job on this one, the intricate detail of the face, hands and robe on this design see more realistic and detailed than the US trade dollar.

One chopmark:

古 - gǔ - ancient, old

Zoins

@JasonGaming said:

Got this super original piece for a good price, very happy with it.

Amazing coin! Congrats!

Just ran across this thread when looking for Chop Marked Liberty Seated Dollars!

Crypto

@Zoins said:

@JasonGaming said:

Got this super original piece for a good price, very happy with it.

Amazing coin! Congrats!

Just ran across this thread when looking for Chop Marked Liberty Seated Dollars!

You should see Dan's 70cc chop and 1855s Half

Paging @OriginalDan

MilkmanDan

@Crypto said:
You should see Dan's 70cc chop and 1855s Half

Paging @OriginalDan

Thanks for the mention...always happy to share these.

shish

Some super nice examples, the 74-CC, 75-CC, and 55 WA are very appealing.

Crypto

@shish said:
Some super nice examples, the 74-CC, 75-CC, and 55 WA are very appealing.

In terms of surface preservation it is most likely a top 5 condition census example and one of the most original of one of the true rarities from that era. I have handled a lot of coins but that one is truly one of the treasures in our hobby for the seated series imho

ChopmarkedTrades

@OriginalDan said:

Doubt another chopmarked CC Seated Dollar exists.

kaz

Amazing piece!

MilkmanDan

Reviving an old thread, as this one just came my way. Needless to say I'm thrilled to take this one in.

lermish

Fun thread to go through!

Dipped to death but a nice little character chop:

ChopmarkedTrades

@OriginalDan said:
Reviving an old thread, as this one just came my way. Needless to say I'm thrilled to take this one in.

Great pickup, part of a small mintage and an even smaller shipment sent abroad. Only know of one another chopmarked example, and that's currently unaccounted for.

ElmerFusterpuck

Here's my lone example:

tradedollarnut

@ChopmarkedTrades said:

@OriginalDan said:

Doubt another chopmarked CC Seated Dollar exists.

Wow!

lermish

@ElmerFusterpuck said:
Here's my lone example:

That's a great looking coin!

Barberian