@nhlsm666 said:
got several golds and more silvers.. how do you guys predict the price?
Bragging that you cheated the system when so many here didn't even get ONE and suffered through endless refresh's only to be BANNED shows a lack of empathy and poor taste. Have you no shame?
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I got banned on my iPhone, then my iPad and using Safari on my iMac. I switched to the Firefox browser and after several refreshes finally limped to the confirmation page. I was able to order the silver.
Now the last ASE that will have the old reverse will be the 2021 bullion that will be available in January. Those are already being pre-sold by the dealers.
@JeffM said:
Now the last ASE that will have the old reverse will be the 2021 bullion that will be available in January. Those are already being pre-sold by the dealers.
They're not planning to issue any of the 2021 issues sold directly by the Mint with the old reverse? (Burnished 2021-W, Proof 2021-W and Proof 2021-S)?
@robec said:
I got banned on my iPhone, then my iPad and using Safari on my iMac. I switched to the Firefox browser and after several refreshes finally limped to the confirmation page. I was able to order the silver.
Same happened to me, used iPhone first because newer and faster got gold in cart and crashed then banned. Switch to iPad, same thing. Ended up using my 6 year old laptop by then gold gone but how I snagged the silver after countless refreshing etc....
For those who are wanting to have the Mint change their policy on offerings like this... that may fall into the be careful what you wish for.... it may come true.
If they go to a lottery system, then the big boys will still have their helpers lined up, with many many different accounts and entries.... and will still crowd out the majority of the ones who just want a single example for their collection. So that may not be a realistic solution.
The only way to ensure everyone will get one... is to mint to demand. But then there will not be the excitement behind the offering like right now, and many will be complaining about the high mintages and watch their purchase trend down in price after receiving it.
So, it is what it is. With the current system... you get excitement like being at a horse race.... perhaps you can beat the odds and slip in between the big boys and make a score. And perhaps the prize will pay off for those whose dice roll turns out. IMO anyways.
@JeffM said:
Now the last ASE that will have the old reverse will be the 2021 bullion that will be available in January. Those are already being pre-sold by the dealers.
They're not planning to issue any of the 2021 issues sold directly by the Mint with the old reverse? (Burnished 2021-W, Proof 2021-W and Proof 2021-S)?
@JeffM said:
Now the last ASE that will have the old reverse will be the 2021 bullion that will be available in January. Those are already being pre-sold by the dealers.
They're not planning to issue any of the 2021 issues sold directly by the Mint with the old reverse? (Burnished 2021-W, Proof 2021-W and Proof 2021-S)?
No, the 2021 bullion will be the last ASE with the old reverse. Those are only available from authorized Mint dealers. The collector versions (sold directly by the Mint) will have the new reverse and will be available beginning mid-2021. Based on today's fiasco, you can imagine the joy we will have trying to buy the first collector version ASE.
@RichR said:
So...I did manage to get 2 silver...across 2 PCs and 2 iPads!
...and dozens of lockups in between.
From what I can tell, the silver was miraculously available for more than an hour...does that track with everyone else?
Also...did anyone else have their PayPal option eliminated at checkout...I didn't see it.
Yep, silver was available for well more than an hour, but only because all the lockups, crashes, etc. slowed down many people from getting one. Took me a whole hour of struggling to get one. If the Mint's website could handle peak volume, then it would've been sold out within 30 minutes, my guesstimate.
@JeffM said:
Now the last ASE that will have the old reverse will be the 2021 bullion that will be available in January. Those are already being pre-sold by the dealers.
They're not planning to issue any of the 2021 issues sold directly by the Mint with the old reverse? (Burnished 2021-W, Proof 2021-W and Proof 2021-S)?
@JeffM said:
Now the last ASE that will have the old reverse will be the 2021 bullion that will be available in January. Those are already being pre-sold by the dealers.
They're not planning to issue any of the 2021 issues sold directly by the Mint with the old reverse? (Burnished 2021-W, Proof 2021-W and Proof 2021-S)?
No, the 2021 bullion will be the last ASE with the old reverse. Those are only available from authorized Mint dealers. The collector versions (sold directly by the Mint) will have the new reverse and will be available beginning mid-2021. Based on today's fiasco, you can imagine the joy we will have trying to buy the first collector version ASE.
OK, thanks. I was just afraid the Mint would try to squeak more profit out by selling the collector's versions with both reverses.
I was at the last step place order probably 5 times and kept getting kicked off maybe because my account was already banned or maybe just my crappy Verizon dsl line. Guess it is time to upgrade to Comcast broadband. Though never had the problem with the dsl line before. I wonder if they will use the anti bot software when these become available again.
@JeffM said:
Now the last ASE that will have the old reverse will be the 2021 bullion that will be available in January. Those are already being pre-sold by the dealers.
They're not planning to issue any of the 2021 issues sold directly by the Mint with the old reverse? (Burnished 2021-W, Proof 2021-W and Proof 2021-S)?
@JeffM said:
Now the last ASE that will have the old reverse will be the 2021 bullion that will be available in January. Those are already being pre-sold by the dealers.
They're not planning to issue any of the 2021 issues sold directly by the Mint with the old reverse? (Burnished 2021-W, Proof 2021-W and Proof 2021-S)?
No, the 2021 bullion will be the last ASE with the old reverse. Those are only available from authorized Mint dealers. The collector versions (sold directly by the Mint) will have the new reverse and will be available beginning mid-2021. Based on today's fiasco, you can imagine the joy we will have trying to buy the first collector version ASE.
To bypass all the day of issue problems, enroll and you essentially skip the line and have the product automatically shipped.
Yes, this would certainly tend to kill artificial rarity, for those who would prefer that scenario. Not sure I do, I am somewhat mixed on it. The rarity factor does give some excitement to the hobby.
@Bullsitter said:
Ebay SOLD listing, high so far today...raw, not graded.
Silver $800
Gold $12,000
Wow, people are really nuts or have way too much money to blow.....or both.
Don't know about the gold but it's pretty likely the silver example in raw form, will be a 2-300 hundred dollar piece after the dust settles, 70's and various inserts maybe a bit more.
Probably a dealer with several goons working for him. Or just a liar.
I'm a dealer but I can't afford goons and I have no interest in email blasting my customers begging them to try to get these for me.
Maybe that's why I missed out on the gold.
@Bullsitter said:
Ebay SOLD listing, high so far today...raw, not graded.
Silver $800
Gold $12,000
Wow, people are really nuts or have way too much money to blow.....or both.
Don't know about the gold but it's pretty likely the silver example in raw form, will be a 2-300 hundred dollar piece after the dust settles, 70's and various inserts maybe a bit more.
@Bullsitter said:
Ebay SOLD listing, high so far today...raw, not graded.
Silver $800
Gold $12,000
Wow, people are really nuts or have way too much money to blow.....or both.
Don't know about the gold but it's pretty likely the silver example in raw form, will be a 2-300 hundred dollar piece after the dust settles, 70's and various inserts maybe a bit more.
That makes sense. I just can't understand the mindset of someone who would spend $12,000 for the AGE. Does he really think it's value will increase above $12,000 or he can sell it for more?
Probably a dealer with several goons working for him. Or just a liar.
I'm a dealer but I can't afford goons and I have no interest in email blasting my customers begging them to try to get these for me.
Maybe that's why I missed out on the gold.
And I'll bet you are a good person who does not take advantage of people and sleeps well at night. Many dealers are good, ethical business people. We won't talk about the rest!
@tincup said:
For those who are wanting to have the Mint change their policy on offerings like this... that may fall into the be careful what you wish for.... it may come true.
If they go to a lottery system, then the big boys will still have their helpers lined up, with many many different accounts and entries.... and will still crowd out the majority of the ones who just want a single example for their collection. So that may not be a realistic solution.
In both cases, the small fish's chance of getting a coin is close to nil, but at least with the lottery system, you won't feel frustrated and angry.
Getting straight-up banned from the website felt like a slap to the face.
@Bullsitter said:
Ebay SOLD listing, high so far today...raw, not graded.
Silver $800
Gold $12,000
Wow, people are really nuts or have way too much money to blow.....or both.
Don't know about the gold but it's pretty likely the silver example in raw form, will be a 2-300 hundred dollar piece after the dust settles, 70's and various inserts maybe a bit more.
@Bullsitter said:
Ebay SOLD listing, high so far today...raw, not graded.
Silver $800
Gold $12,000
Wow, people are really nuts or have way too much money to blow.....or both.
Don't know about the gold but it's pretty likely the silver example in raw form, will be a 2-300 hundred dollar piece after the dust settles, 70's and various inserts maybe a bit more.
That makes sense. I just can't understand the mindset of someone who would spend $12,000 for the AGE. Does he really think it's value will increase above $12,000 or he can sell it for more?
1945 pieces, that's why... and not all of them will grade 70. That's getting down into 1895 Morgan Dollar territory.
I agree on the eventual $200-$300 levels on the silver. Guys are already offering them down in the $400s on ebay. With a 75,000 mintage the aftermarket will get saturated fairly quickly. Best money is the quick money on the silver if you're just flipping, but if you're a collector the short term market doesn't matter if you intend to keep it anyway.
Mint software now treats constant page refreshing as a bot and locks you out.
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@JeffM said:
Now the last ASE that will have the old reverse will be the 2021 bullion that will be available in January. Those are already being pre-sold by the dealers.
They're not planning to issue any of the 2021 issues sold directly by the Mint with the old reverse? (Burnished 2021-W, Proof 2021-W and Proof 2021-S)?
If they issued every finish at every mint and you needed to get every label for each, that could be over 1000 "different" 2021 ASEs.
So here is a real kick in the nuts. My wife got the gold and had it backed by her credit card...in the crazy that was the website crashing the credit card texted and said did you make this purchase and when she did not respond because she was hitting refresh...the card declined. She is a hornet right now!
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@derryb said:
Mint software now treats constant page refreshing as a bot and locks you out.
If the site wouldn't freeze and say Oops... refresh. I would not have clicked refresh so much. Not like I was wanting to refresh 100,000 times. I think I need a new mouse...
It'll all be fixed by the time the platinum end of world war is issued.
“The root problem with conventional currency is all the trust that's required to make it work. The central bank must be trusted not to debase the currency, but the history of fiat currencies is full of breaches of that trust.” - Satoshi Nakamoto
What does "You are being rate limited" even mean???
I was rate limited, "Oops something went wronged", request blocked, website reporting too much traffic, advised to contact website owner, told to "try again later", needed to sign in countless times, advised to "refresh", had to identify boats, busses, and bikes at least six times, and "Banned"....I think we've all been BANNED.
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Keep checking daily for the silver. After the 2020-S ASE sold out, it kept coming back for a few days.
Same thing happened for the 2018 Palladium Proof, which had a mintage of 15k.
POST NUBILA PHOEBUS / AFTER CLOUDS, SUN
Love for Music / Collector of Dreck
About sums up 2020... Can things ever get worse... DO NOT ASK!!!
I got this countless times, the only thing I could think of to do was to hit the Back button on my browser and try again. Took one hour of struggling.
Anyone stupid enough to spend $10K on the gold has several brain cells missing. "A fool and his money are soon parted."
Dealer buddy said Current bid is like 9k so apparently someone has dead brain cells
Yes,,, US Mint managers laughing their ass off on the scramble to buy ...in Dec they will have a meeting to see how they can do better
He who knows he has enough is rich.
Just got my confirmation email for the silver.
I got banned on my iPhone, then my iPad and using Safari on my iMac. I switched to the Firefox browser and after several refreshes finally limped to the confirmation page. I was able to order the silver.
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Now the last ASE that will have the old reverse will be the 2021 bullion that will be available in January. Those are already being pre-sold by the dealers.
They're not planning to issue any of the 2021 issues sold directly by the Mint with the old reverse? (Burnished 2021-W, Proof 2021-W and Proof 2021-S)?
Same happened to me, used iPhone first because newer and faster got gold in cart and crashed then banned. Switch to iPad, same thing. Ended up using my 6 year old laptop by then gold gone but how I snagged the silver after countless refreshing etc....
For those who are wanting to have the Mint change their policy on offerings like this... that may fall into the be careful what you wish for.... it may come true.
If they go to a lottery system, then the big boys will still have their helpers lined up, with many many different accounts and entries.... and will still crowd out the majority of the ones who just want a single example for their collection. So that may not be a realistic solution.
The only way to ensure everyone will get one... is to mint to demand. But then there will not be the excitement behind the offering like right now, and many will be complaining about the high mintages and watch their purchase trend down in price after receiving it.
So, it is what it is. With the current system... you get excitement like being at a horse race.... perhaps you can beat the odds and slip in between the big boys and make a score. And perhaps the prize will pay off for those whose dice roll turns out. IMO anyways.
No, the 2021 bullion will be the last ASE with the old reverse. Those are only available from authorized Mint dealers. The collector versions (sold directly by the Mint) will have the new reverse and will be available beginning mid-2021. Based on today's fiasco, you can imagine the joy we will have trying to buy the first collector version ASE.
So...I did manage to get 2 silver...across 2 PCs and 2 iPads!
...and dozens of lockups in between.
From what I can tell, the silver was miraculously available for more than an hour...does that track with everyone else?
Also...did anyone else have their PayPal option eliminated at checkout...I didn't see it.
Ebay SOLD listing, high so far today...raw, not graded.
Silver $800
Gold $12,000
Yep, silver was available for well more than an hour, but only because all the lockups, crashes, etc. slowed down many people from getting one. Took me a whole hour of struggling to get one. If the Mint's website could handle peak volume, then it would've been sold out within 30 minutes, my guesstimate.
OK, thanks. I was just afraid the Mint would try to squeak more profit out by selling the collector's versions with both reverses.
Same thing here - whenever I went to remove the AGE, the site crashed:
No, last year's Enhanced Proof was 30,000
I was at the last step place order probably 5 times and kept getting kicked off maybe because my account was already banned or maybe just my crappy Verizon dsl line. Guess it is time to upgrade to Comcast broadband. Though never had the problem with the dsl line before. I wonder if they will use the anti bot software when these become available again.
Box of 20
Wow, people are really nuts or have way too much money to blow.....or both.
Quite accurate...
Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value. Zero. Voltaire. Ebay coinbowlllc
Wouldn't this kill any artificial rarity
To bypass all the day of issue problems, enroll and you essentially skip the line and have the product automatically shipped.
Hmm at what price point should people flip the silver at?
Yes it is the next lowest mintage after the 1995-W Proof !!
I case you didn't know 30,164 is HIGHER than 30,000
" @tincup said:
mint to demand."
"Wouldn't this kill any artificial rarity"
Yes, this would certainly tend to kill artificial rarity, for those who would prefer that scenario. Not sure I do, I am somewhat mixed on it. The rarity factor does give some excitement to the hobby.
The real rarities are with the classic coins anyways.
😭 I almost got a Gold one!
Close but no cigar.
Don't know about the gold but it's pretty likely the silver example in raw form, will be a 2-300 hundred dollar piece after the dust settles, 70's and various inserts maybe a bit more.
I'm a dealer but I can't afford goons and I have no interest in email blasting my customers begging them to try to get these for me.
Maybe that's why I missed out on the gold.
RIP Mom- 1932-2012
That makes sense. I just can't understand the mindset of someone who would spend $12,000 for the AGE. Does he really think it's value will increase above $12,000 or he can sell it for more?
And I'll bet you are a good person who does not take advantage of people and sleeps well at night. Many dealers are good, ethical business people. We won't talk about the rest!
In both cases, the small fish's chance of getting a coin is close to nil, but at least with the lottery system, you won't feel frustrated and angry.
Getting straight-up banned from the website felt like a slap to the face.
1945 pieces, that's why... and not all of them will grade 70. That's getting down into 1895 Morgan Dollar territory.
I agree on the eventual $200-$300 levels on the silver. Guys are already offering them down in the $400s on ebay. With a 75,000 mintage the aftermarket will get saturated fairly quickly. Best money is the quick money on the silver if you're just flipping, but if you're a collector the short term market doesn't matter if you intend to keep it anyway.
RIP Mom- 1932-2012
There is one comedian who lists the raw silver V75 for $5000 on Ebay.
Free shipping at least....
Mint software now treats constant page refreshing as a bot and locks you out.
“The root problem with conventional currency is all the trust that's required to make it work. The central bank must be trusted not to debase the currency, but the history of fiat currencies is full of breaches of that trust.” - Satoshi Nakamoto
I gave up after 1 hour, now I can't even log on
If they issued every finish at every mint and you needed to get every label for each, that could be over 1000 "different" 2021 ASEs.
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What time do the silver ones go back on sale tomorrow?
Didn't matter if I went slow or not. Still gave the banned message over and over
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So here is a real kick in the nuts. My wife got the gold and had it backed by her credit card...in the crazy that was the website crashing the credit card texted and said did you make this purchase and when she did not respond because she was hitting refresh...the card declined. She is a hornet right now!
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If the site wouldn't freeze and say Oops... refresh. I would not have clicked refresh so much. Not like I was wanting to refresh 100,000 times. I think I need a new mouse...
So number third lowest? Of course it has the extra appeal of a unique mintmark for WW2
Cashback from Mr. Rebates
It'll all be fixed by the time the platinum end of world war is issued.
“The root problem with conventional currency is all the trust that's required to make it work. The central bank must be trusted not to debase the currency, but the history of fiat currencies is full of breaches of that trust.” - Satoshi Nakamoto
With a lottery system at least we would not waste so much time.
What does "You are being rate limited" even mean???
I was rate limited, "Oops something went wronged", request blocked, website reporting too much traffic, advised to contact website owner, told to "try again later", needed to sign in countless times, advised to "refresh", had to identify boats, busses, and bikes at least six times, and "Banned"....I think we've all been BANNED.