@softparade said:
Speaking of 1980's madness. I give you 1984 Donruss BBCE Wax! Before anybody says maybe the Best Offer was hit and they didn't sell this high, check the SOLD tab. At least one box Paid full price of $750 plus shipping. It won't be long before a FASC box pops up with a BIN for $1,000 at this rate lol
I wouldn't sell my FASC 1984 Donruss box for $1,000 right now.
@olb31 said:
The classic green Bonds has a 35 POP, look for a major rise at some point.
This is one I'm curious about. The '87 O-Pee-Chee has now surpassed it in count (35 to 30) and is a $3,000 card. The Green back last sold on March 1 for $375 so I would expect a jump on the next one sold but I don't see it attaining O-Pee-Chee level demand. It's a back variation going up against a brand, no chance.
Arthur
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That Mattingly seller was too impatient. There's one up now in a PWCC auction that will get shilled up way past $2315. Wouldn't surprise me if they decide to take it to $3k.
Ridiculous. Here's the thing: 1. I bet the winner is legit, the underbidder, on the other hand... 2. I don't think the winner cares at all about getting shilled.
@softparade said:
Speaking of 1980's madness. I give you 1984 Donruss BBCE Wax! Before anybody says maybe the Best Offer was hit and they didn't sell this high, check the SOLD tab. At least one box Paid full price of $750 plus shipping. It won't be long before a FASC box pops up with a BIN for $1,000 at this rate lol
I wouldn't sell my FASC 1984 Donruss box for $1,000 right now.
These are now at $829. I luckily scored one on Monday from ripping vintage wax for $550. It was their last remaining box of 84 donruss. I have NOT seen a 1978 Topps wax box authenticated on eBay for several months now. Would anyone have an idea of the going rate? They used to sell for about 2K, but I'd imagine would be way higher now.
@dustinspeaks said:
87 Donruss real easy to see oc right to left.
Ha you've officially reached troll status. Congrats.
Arthur
You guys are teaching me how hard it is to find stuff centered from the 80s. But at the same time stuff doesn't need to be totally centered to get a 10. I admit, I'm learning. At the same time though, I know something about cards.
You are correct. There are a few 10's out there that aren't perfectly centered, but it's a big gamble on most cards sending them in if they aren't very close to perfectly centered.
There may actually be a little leeway on top to bottom centering for the 1987's. I first thought that the top and side borders needed to be equal. I wasn't really counting the Name Box when looking at centering, however it looks like PSA likes 10's to consider the name box, and the borders on the top and bottom should be equal and then end up being a bit narrower than the side borders.
I have also seen a few where the top border has been slightly wider than the bottom. Side borders better be perfect.
If those cards aren't perfectly centered, they better be perfect in every other way. Lots of print defects that year. Lots of "washed out" looking cards too. Of course the corners and edges show the tiniest amount of wear.
I used to be one of those guys who said "there's a lot of unopened product out there and what was opened all got put into card savers". A lot of whats not been opened isn't getting opened, it's worth more unopened and NO people still didn't keep their cards in gem mint condition. Most collectors just figured they only needed to HAVE the cards, not have perfect ones.
I have been sorting through the 1987 set, there are 3 cards that are worth sending in that make you money in a 9; Bonds, McGwire and Bo. You might make a little on Nolan Ryan if it's a super nice 9.
I'm willing to wager that if you bought a bunch of unopened product from the late 1980's and opened it, you would get quite the education. the quality was, for the most part, $hit. I spent under $200.00, local guy, and got a variety of Wax, Vending and Rack. Almost 10,000 cards. At least half of the cards didn't seem to get either enough ink or "gloss" or both. I ended up with the equivalent of 12-14 sets. Not one Bonds will grade a 10. I did get a couple of Jackson's and a couple of McGwire's that have a good chance. One Bonds has a (weak) chance at a 9.
Of the star cards that looked like 10's I ended up with;
No Bonds' no Puckett's, no Clemens', no Rose's, no Will Clark's, no Gwynn's, no Yount's, 1 Mattingly, 1 Brett, 1 Schmidt, 1 Boggs, 1 Sandberg, 1 Henderson, 1 Ripken, 2 Canseco's, 2 McGwire's, 2 Larkin's, 2 Ryan's.
3 Bo's that have a chance at 10's and 3-4 more that might get 9's. I am pretty confident that I won't LOSE money on the deal after grading fees IF I get 10's on at least 1/2 of my cards. If I hit mostly 9's, I might break even. Of course this is going to be a part of a bulk submission, or value, whatever they are calling it now. At regular grading fees, I don't think it would have been worth it! Don't forget feebay taking their cut.
Good thing my time is worth NOTHING! ;-)
Will be sending in soon. I'll post results when they get grades. Sometime next year?
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@ReggieCleveland said:
Ridiculous. Here's the thing: 1. I bet the winner is legit, the underbidder, on the other hand... 2. I don't think the winner cares at all about getting shilled.
Arthur
Funny that people complain about "shillers" but don't put any of the blame on the people who pay huge prices on cards, driving up prices.
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@ReggieCleveland said:
Ridiculous. Here's the thing: 1. I bet the winner is legit, the underbidder, on the other hand... 2. I don't think the winner cares at all about getting shilled.
Arthur
Funny that people complain about "shillers" but don't put any of the blame on the people who pay huge prices on cards, driving up prices.
I don't blame the winner at all. People can pay whatever they want for whatever they want. If they don't care that they get shilled I'm certainly not going to carry the cross for them.
I mean, there's actually a version of this world where there's a completely above-board version of PWCC that just has a strong following of high-end customers that like $0.99 auctions and the ability to pay for things in a myriad of ways. Those people would be paying stupid prices on cards, too. I don't feel like any blame should be attached to them for doing so. I've certainly overpaid for things in the past.
@ReggieCleveland said:
Ridiculous. Here's the thing: 1. I bet the winner is legit, the underbidder, on the other hand... 2. I don't think the winner cares at all about getting shilled.
Arthur
Funny that people complain about "shillers" but don't put any of the blame on the people who pay huge prices on cards, driving up prices.
I mean, there's actually a version of this world where there's a completely above-board version of PWCC that just has a strong following of high-end customers that like $0.99 auctions and the ability to pay for things in a myriad of ways. Those people would be paying stupid prices on cards, too.
Arthur
Sounds like Greg Morris; loyal customers, starts at .99, achieved high prices...
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This McGwire is getting some major action. I bought the off centered copy I posted above from what would turn out to be my first college economics professor and who got me hooked on it. He had an entire lecture about how he sold them all off as the chase for 70 was peaking and that is when we both realized I was one of his customers. Unfortunately I paid $160 as a 19 year old for that one and didn't realize how critical centering was.
Wow, $1775 with 2 days to go! I remember when I got back into collecting around '98-'99 thanks in large part to this card and all the Big Mac/Sammy Sosa hype. From what I recall, at it's peak this card sold for around $3500 in PSA 10. I've always thought this card was a modern classic and just had the "it" factor when it comes to baseball cards. Shoot, this card is already 35 years old so it's basically vintage.
And, not that it matters to me, but that PWCC PSA 10 has a fairly distracting fisheye in his jersey, yet it gets the PWCC high end sticker? Oh well. In reality, though, this is a pretty tough modern card, with centering, print imperfections, surface bubbles, and a host of other defects to knock the grade down.
Here's a PSA 10 I picked up back in 2001. Crazy to think I could actually sell it for a profit right now.
I don't understand how people can look at this card and then say "I can't tell the difference between a PSA 9 and a PSA 10." Someone please find me a PSA 9 that looks like that -- no tilt, centered, with that print job. You won't find one with that print job.
Arthur
Give me enough time and in my free time I can always find you a 9 of any modern card that looks like a 10.
TPGs have grown men— who as boys collected cards— now blinded by stickers.
This McGwire is getting some major action. I bought the off centered copy I posted above from what would turn out to be my first college economics professor and who got me hooked on it. He had an entire lecture about how he sold them all off as the chase for 70 was peaking and that is when we both realized I was one of his customers. Unfortunately I paid $160 as a 19 year old for that one and didn't realize how critical centering was.
Wow, $1775 with 2 days to go! I remember when I got back into collecting around '98-'99 thanks in large part to this card and all the Big Mac/Sammy Sosa hype. From what I recall, at it's peak this card sold for around $3500 in PSA 10. I've always thought this card was a modern classic and just had the "it" factor when it comes to baseball cards. Shoot, this card is already 35 years old so it's basically vintage.
And, not that it matters to me, but that PWCC PSA 10 has a fairly distracting fisheye in his jersey, yet it gets the PWCC high end sticker? Oh well. In reality, though, this is a pretty tough modern card, with centering, print imperfections, surface bubbles, and a host of other defects to knock the grade down.
Here's a PSA 10 I picked up back in 2001. Crazy to think I could actually sell it for a profit right now.
I don't understand how people can look at this card and then say "I can't tell the difference between a PSA 9 and a PSA 10." Someone please find me a PSA 9 that looks like that -- no tilt, centered, with that print job. You won't find one with that print job.
Arthur
Give me enough time and in my free time I can always find you a 9 of any modern card that looks like a 10.
TPGs have grown men— who as boys collected cards— now blinded by stickers.
This McGwire is getting some major action. I bought the off centered copy I posted above from what would turn out to be my first college economics professor and who got me hooked on it. He had an entire lecture about how he sold them all off as the chase for 70 was peaking and that is when we both realized I was one of his customers. Unfortunately I paid $160 as a 19 year old for that one and didn't realize how critical centering was.
Wow, $1775 with 2 days to go! I remember when I got back into collecting around '98-'99 thanks in large part to this card and all the Big Mac/Sammy Sosa hype. From what I recall, at it's peak this card sold for around $3500 in PSA 10. I've always thought this card was a modern classic and just had the "it" factor when it comes to baseball cards. Shoot, this card is already 35 years old so it's basically vintage.
And, not that it matters to me, but that PWCC PSA 10 has a fairly distracting fisheye in his jersey, yet it gets the PWCC high end sticker? Oh well. In reality, though, this is a pretty tough modern card, with centering, print imperfections, surface bubbles, and a host of other defects to knock the grade down.
Here's a PSA 10 I picked up back in 2001. Crazy to think I could actually sell it for a profit right now.
I don't understand how people can look at this card and then say "I can't tell the difference between a PSA 9 and a PSA 10." Someone please find me a PSA 9 that looks like that -- no tilt, centered, with that print job. You won't find one with that print job.
Arthur
Give me enough time and in my free time I can always find you a 9 of any modern card that looks like a 10.
TPGs have grown men— who as boys collected cards— now blinded by stickers.
Like I said, people say it but show me one.
Arthur
While I agree with you. I think there is a fine line on many.
It's easier to see the differences in digital images when they're paper cards. Once we get into modern glossy cards you need to be able to have the card in-hand and examine the surface and back.
Honestly, I think most people that are in the "9s and 10s look the same" boat just don't care about some stuff, like print imperfections, the card's back print job, surface imperfections, things like that. They want perfect centering and sharp corners and you can get those things in a PSA 9.
So I don't blame them. If those were my top concerns I'd be buying PSA 9s all day every day, too. My problem is, I want those things and, most importantly, a perfect print job. I've actually sacrificed in centering and corners on a card just because I found such an amazing print job. Vintage basketball collectors know what I'm talking about.
The key is, collect what you like. If you don't want to spend the money on PSA 10s, cool. But don't treat people that do like idiots simply because their taste is different than yours. Because I guarantee, if you put a PSA 9 and a PSA 10 in my hands I'll be able to tell the difference 99.9% of the time.
And not just because the labels will say which is which.
I just read through the entire thread. It simply amazes me the prices that have been reached by these cards. Maybe COVID-19 has a role in it, but maybe a rule of thumb is that simply preserve a collectible for 30 years and it will definitely get some return.
It is quite nostalgic that Bo Jackson is once again a key card of the 1980s. I have to add that Jim Abbott has also seen some decent upward trends.
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@DeutscherGeist said:
I just read through the entire thread. It simply amazes me the prices that have been reached by these cards. Maybe COVID-19 has a role in it, but maybe a rule of thumb is that simply preserve a collectible for 30 years and it will definitely get some return.
It is quite nostalgic that Bo Jackson is once again a key card of the 1980s. I have to add that Jim Abbott has also seen some decent upward trends.
I'm 49, and I think the only way Bo Jackson and Jim Abbott are getting attention is because of guys like me who grew up with them. I remember getting the farthest seat from home plate in Comiskey Park its last year, 1990. The new park was going up across the street. But the cool thing was that Jim Abbott was about 13 rows in front of me warming up in the bullpen. He was the friendliest guy, joking around with the fans in the front rows. From that memory alone, I can understand wanting to buy an Abbott rookie.
I've been noticing a bit of increased interest in 80's error/variation cards, and then stumbled across a listing for a 1987 Eric Davis. The slab says 1987 Donruss no. 22 - No Yellow Stripe PSA 10 and it would have been the first of a pop of 2 of this card in a 10. However, the card in the slab is a 1987 Leaf no. 22. It does have the Yellow Stripe too, but all Leaf cards do. So, first of this card was a mech error, making the 2nd one actually a pop 1 card. I wouldn't hold my breath for the owner to pull the listing and send it in for correction though.
It’s been interesting (and almost disturbing) to enter an item of interest on EBay, then click on ‘completed listings”. You can watch the spike since March. Each Month brings a new high. Sometimes each week. The beginning of this thread is outdated! I remember buying 1981 unopened baseball wax. . . Literally would be 2-3 listings for cases of the stuff. All fasc. I’m guessing this was 1-2 years ago? Now they’re pushing $800+. Never thought I’d see the day.
@softparade said:
Today a 1984 Donruss wax box FASC sold for $1,795 on e-Bay. No it def was not me lol
Wasn't this like a $300 item just a few years ago?
Yeah something like that.
I saw earlier in the thread a 1980's Topps was close to 3k. That was dramatically overvalued at $800. In fairness I can't in any capacity say I saw this coming. I do like seeing it though for my fellow hobby brethren who bought these items.
@softparade said:
Today a 1984 Donruss wax box FASC sold for $1,795 on e-Bay. No it def was not me lol
Wasn't this like a $300 item just a few years ago?
Yeah something like that.
I saw earlier in the thread a 1980's Topps was close to 3k. That was dramatically overvalued at $800. In fairness I can't in any capacity say I saw this coming. I do like seeing it though for my fellow hobby brethren who bought these items.
Prices have been on a steady upswing for the past couple of years now. I personally believe all the pack breaking and pack rips are helping this bull run as the dramatic upswing in values seems to have coincided with the pack breaking phenomenon.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
@grote15 said:
Prices have been on a steady upswing for the past couple of years now. I personally believe all the pack breaking and pack rips are helping this bull run as the dramatic upswing in values seems to have coincided with the pack breaking phenomenon.
It seems like there is a very positive feedback loop taking place. As the prices of the graded cards go up, the potential value of the contents inside goes up and thus the desire to rip goes up and as more are ripped trying to chase these higher valued cards the overall supply of unopened boxes goes down and thus the number of potential future freshly graded high cards goes down increasing the scarcity of the existing card stock and the boxes. Pretty fascinating scenario.
@softparade said:
Today a 1984 Donruss wax box FASC sold for $1,795 on e-Bay. No it def was not me lol
Wasn't this like a $300 item just a few years ago?
Yeah something like that.
I saw earlier in the thread a 1980's Topps was close to 3k. That was dramatically overvalued at $800. In fairness I can't in any capacity say I saw this coming. I do like seeing it though for my fellow hobby brethren who bought these items.
Yes you, whoever started that “where is the unopened market heading” thread originally and Tim have definitely been on the record for the past several years predicting the rise in unopened seen this year as counterpoints to the Crisser’s market was going to crash hard and stay down prediction in 2017.
Now how about something even more useful, where are unopened prices going from here and what’s going to take off next?
@softparade said:
Today a 1984 Donruss wax box FASC sold for $1,795 on e-Bay. No it def was not me lol
Wasn't this like a $300 item just a few years ago?
Yeah something like that.
I saw earlier in the thread a 1980's Topps was close to 3k. That was dramatically overvalued at $800. In fairness I can't in any capacity say I saw this coming. I do like seeing it though for my fellow hobby brethren who bought these items.
Yes you, whoever started that “where is the unopened market heading” thread originally and Tim have definitely been on the record for the past several years predicting the rise in unopened seen this year as counterpoints to the Crisser’s market was going to crash hard and stay down prediction in 2017.
Now how about something even more useful, where are unopened prices going from here and what’s going to take off next?
My aim was tongue in cheek with my last comment. While I sure as heck believed in the early to mid 80's material I never saw this rocket ship coming. Nobody did. I figured I could spend the next five years buying it up. Well, I got one and a half in. While I do believe in the 1981 to 1985 period staunchly, I also believe pricing right now is just bat shit crazy. I don't think I have ever predicted a drop in legit unopened material and especially FASC but I'm leery abut where the market is right now. So, we'll see. I'm not talking 1980 and earlier. That stuff is in a league by itself.
Then, you have 1986 on up, which has also blasted off.. There is no real shortage of product as we all know but there is also no shortage of interest in it. So ... all bets are off. This stuff probably flattens out? But I don't think it ever goes back to $10 for a 1987 Topps wax box. Nah I think those days ore ova.
I think they only do that under certain conditions. I don't believe people can send in non-factory sealed traded sets and get them sealed. I suspect that set came from either a sealed case or the remnants of a sealed case that they purchased and felt strong enough about the provenance and that they weren't searched that they wrapped them.
I just purchased the 1989 UD factory sealed set from BBCE. They are all out now. Their inventory is quite thin. There are no 1986 Topps wax boxes, for example.
JWBlue,
BBCE does not wrap unsealed sets that they have not taken out of a sealed case themselves. People send them sealed factory cases of stuff and BBCE opens it and wraps all the sets or wax boxes individually.
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I wouldn't sell my FASC 1984 Donruss box for $1,000 right now.
There it is....
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1984-Donruss-Don-Mattingly-ROOKIE-RC-248-PSA-10-GEM-MINT-PWCC/402267022413?hash=item5da8fba44d:g:x-QAAOSwRu5ewwuO&redirect=mobile&autorefresh=true
Ridiculous. Here's the thing: 1. I bet the winner is legit, the underbidder, on the other hand... 2. I don't think the winner cares at all about getting shilled.
Arthur
These are now at $829. I luckily scored one on Monday from ripping vintage wax for $550. It was their last remaining box of 84 donruss. I have NOT seen a 1978 Topps wax box authenticated on eBay for several months now. Would anyone have an idea of the going rate? They used to sell for about 2K, but I'd imagine would be way higher now.
You are correct. There are a few 10's out there that aren't perfectly centered, but it's a big gamble on most cards sending them in if they aren't very close to perfectly centered.
There may actually be a little leeway on top to bottom centering for the 1987's. I first thought that the top and side borders needed to be equal. I wasn't really counting the Name Box when looking at centering, however it looks like PSA likes 10's to consider the name box, and the borders on the top and bottom should be equal and then end up being a bit narrower than the side borders.
I have also seen a few where the top border has been slightly wider than the bottom. Side borders better be perfect.
If those cards aren't perfectly centered, they better be perfect in every other way. Lots of print defects that year. Lots of "washed out" looking cards too. Of course the corners and edges show the tiniest amount of wear.
I used to be one of those guys who said "there's a lot of unopened product out there and what was opened all got put into card savers". A lot of whats not been opened isn't getting opened, it's worth more unopened and NO people still didn't keep their cards in gem mint condition. Most collectors just figured they only needed to HAVE the cards, not have perfect ones.
I have been sorting through the 1987 set, there are 3 cards that are worth sending in that make you money in a 9; Bonds, McGwire and Bo. You might make a little on Nolan Ryan if it's a super nice 9.
I'm willing to wager that if you bought a bunch of unopened product from the late 1980's and opened it, you would get quite the education. the quality was, for the most part, $hit. I spent under $200.00, local guy, and got a variety of Wax, Vending and Rack. Almost 10,000 cards. At least half of the cards didn't seem to get either enough ink or "gloss" or both. I ended up with the equivalent of 12-14 sets. Not one Bonds will grade a 10. I did get a couple of Jackson's and a couple of McGwire's that have a good chance. One Bonds has a (weak) chance at a 9.
Of the star cards that looked like 10's I ended up with;
No Bonds' no Puckett's, no Clemens', no Rose's, no Will Clark's, no Gwynn's, no Yount's, 1 Mattingly, 1 Brett, 1 Schmidt, 1 Boggs, 1 Sandberg, 1 Henderson, 1 Ripken, 2 Canseco's, 2 McGwire's, 2 Larkin's, 2 Ryan's.
3 Bo's that have a chance at 10's and 3-4 more that might get 9's. I am pretty confident that I won't LOSE money on the deal after grading fees IF I get 10's on at least 1/2 of my cards. If I hit mostly 9's, I might break even. Of course this is going to be a part of a bulk submission, or value, whatever they are calling it now. At regular grading fees, I don't think it would have been worth it! Don't forget feebay taking their cut.
Good thing my time is worth NOTHING! ;-)
Will be sending in soon. I'll post results when they get grades. Sometime next year?
Funny that people complain about "shillers" but don't put any of the blame on the people who pay huge prices on cards, driving up prices.
I don't blame the winner at all. People can pay whatever they want for whatever they want. If they don't care that they get shilled I'm certainly not going to carry the cross for them.
I mean, there's actually a version of this world where there's a completely above-board version of PWCC that just has a strong following of high-end customers that like $0.99 auctions and the ability to pay for things in a myriad of ways. Those people would be paying stupid prices on cards, too. I don't feel like any blame should be attached to them for doing so. I've certainly overpaid for things in the past.
Arthur
Sounds like Greg Morris; loyal customers, starts at .99, achieved high prices...
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A 1984 Fleer Update Clemens PSA 10 just broke through the $2K barrier.
There is no version of a world where PWCC is " above board"- Period
A 1986 Bonds Tiffany PSA 10 just recently sold for $4700.
Give me enough time and in my free time I can always find you a 9 of any modern card that looks like a 10.
TPGs have grown men— who as boys collected cards— now blinded by stickers.
Like I said, people say it but show me one.
Arthur
While I agree with you. I think there is a fine line on many.
That's got great front centering!
It's easier to see the differences in digital images when they're paper cards. Once we get into modern glossy cards you need to be able to have the card in-hand and examine the surface and back.
Honestly, I think most people that are in the "9s and 10s look the same" boat just don't care about some stuff, like print imperfections, the card's back print job, surface imperfections, things like that. They want perfect centering and sharp corners and you can get those things in a PSA 9.
So I don't blame them. If those were my top concerns I'd be buying PSA 9s all day every day, too. My problem is, I want those things and, most importantly, a perfect print job. I've actually sacrificed in centering and corners on a card just because I found such an amazing print job. Vintage basketball collectors know what I'm talking about.
The key is, collect what you like. If you don't want to spend the money on PSA 10s, cool. But don't treat people that do like idiots simply because their taste is different than yours. Because I guarantee, if you put a PSA 9 and a PSA 10 in my hands I'll be able to tell the difference 99.9% of the time.
And not just because the labels will say which is which.
Arthur
This card was pointed out to me the other day. Centering would seem to indicate a 9.
Well within 60/40. Looks worse because the left edge slides under the bumper. At one point toward the top it's 55/45.
Guys, please don't make me measure the centering on 30 cards. Do it yourself.
Arthur
1984D BBCE FASC sold for $1,800
https://ebay.com/itm/1984-Donruss-Baseball-Wax-Box-BBCE-Authentic-FASC-From-Sealed-Case-Mattingly-RC/254620212729?hash=item3b488c1df9:g:RmEAAOSw2PVez9y6
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I stated earlier I wouldn't sell my clear wrap FASC '84 Donruss box for $1,000. I think I would for $2,500 now. Would it get to that level soon?
Took a chance on a beat up 1990 OPC factory set. Pretty happy with the two key cards.
I just read through the entire thread. It simply amazes me the prices that have been reached by these cards. Maybe COVID-19 has a role in it, but maybe a rule of thumb is that simply preserve a collectible for 30 years and it will definitely get some return.
It is quite nostalgic that Bo Jackson is once again a key card of the 1980s. I have to add that Jim Abbott has also seen some decent upward trends.
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I'm 49, and I think the only way Bo Jackson and Jim Abbott are getting attention is because of guys like me who grew up with them. I remember getting the farthest seat from home plate in Comiskey Park its last year, 1990. The new park was going up across the street. But the cool thing was that Jim Abbott was about 13 rows in front of me warming up in the bullpen. He was the friendliest guy, joking around with the fans in the front rows. From that memory alone, I can understand wanting to buy an Abbott rookie.
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I've been noticing a bit of increased interest in 80's error/variation cards, and then stumbled across a listing for a 1987 Eric Davis. The slab says 1987 Donruss no. 22 - No Yellow Stripe PSA 10 and it would have been the first of a pop of 2 of this card in a 10. However, the card in the slab is a 1987 Leaf no. 22. It does have the Yellow Stripe too, but all Leaf cards do. So, first of this card was a mech error, making the 2nd one actually a pop 1 card. I wouldn't hold my breath for the owner to pull the listing and send it in for correction though.
https://ebay.com/itm/312609887109?ul_noapp=true
Yeah! Let's get the '80s error cards fired up!
Arthur
It’s been interesting (and almost disturbing) to enter an item of interest on EBay, then click on ‘completed listings”. You can watch the spike since March. Each Month brings a new high. Sometimes each week. The beginning of this thread is outdated! I remember buying 1981 unopened baseball wax. . . Literally would be 2-3 listings for cases of the stuff. All fasc. I’m guessing this was 1-2 years ago? Now they’re pushing $800+. Never thought I’d see the day.
Today a 1984 Donruss wax box FASC sold for $1,795 on e-Bay. No it def was not me lol
ISO 1978 Topps Baseball in NM-MT High Grade Raw 3, 100, 103, 302, 347, 376, 416, 466, 481, 487, 509, 534, 540, 554, 579, 580, 622, 642, 673, 724__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ISO 1978 O-Pee-Chee in NM-MT High Grade Raw12, 21, 29, 38, 49, 65, 69, 73, 74, 81, 95, 100, 104, 110, 115, 122, 132, 133, 135, 140, 142, 151, 153, 155, 160, 161, 167, 168, 172, 179, 181, 196, 200, 204, 210, 224, 231, 240
Wasn't this like a $300 item just a few years ago?
Yeah something like that.
ISO 1978 Topps Baseball in NM-MT High Grade Raw 3, 100, 103, 302, 347, 376, 416, 466, 481, 487, 509, 534, 540, 554, 579, 580, 622, 642, 673, 724__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ISO 1978 O-Pee-Chee in NM-MT High Grade Raw12, 21, 29, 38, 49, 65, 69, 73, 74, 81, 95, 100, 104, 110, 115, 122, 132, 133, 135, 140, 142, 151, 153, 155, 160, 161, 167, 168, 172, 179, 181, 196, 200, 204, 210, 224, 231, 240
I saw earlier in the thread a 1980's Topps was close to 3k. That was dramatically overvalued at $800. In fairness I can't in any capacity say I saw this coming. I do like seeing it though for my fellow hobby brethren who bought these items.
I'm pretty sure not one soul saw this coming.
Except ME lolzzz
https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/comment/12226151#Comment_12226151
https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/comment/12255948#Comment_12255948
ISO 1978 Topps Baseball in NM-MT High Grade Raw 3, 100, 103, 302, 347, 376, 416, 466, 481, 487, 509, 534, 540, 554, 579, 580, 622, 642, 673, 724__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ISO 1978 O-Pee-Chee in NM-MT High Grade Raw12, 21, 29, 38, 49, 65, 69, 73, 74, 81, 95, 100, 104, 110, 115, 122, 132, 133, 135, 140, 142, 151, 153, 155, 160, 161, 167, 168, 172, 179, 181, 196, 200, 204, 210, 224, 231, 240
Prices have been on a steady upswing for the past couple of years now. I personally believe all the pack breaking and pack rips are helping this bull run as the dramatic upswing in values seems to have coincided with the pack breaking phenomenon.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
It seems like there is a very positive feedback loop taking place. As the prices of the graded cards go up, the potential value of the contents inside goes up and thus the desire to rip goes up and as more are ripped trying to chase these higher valued cards the overall supply of unopened boxes goes down and thus the number of potential future freshly graded high cards goes down increasing the scarcity of the existing card stock and the boxes. Pretty fascinating scenario.
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Yes you, whoever started that “where is the unopened market heading” thread originally and Tim have definitely been on the record for the past several years predicting the rise in unopened seen this year as counterpoints to the Crisser’s market was going to crash hard and stay down prediction in 2017.
Now how about something even more useful, where are unopened prices going from here and what’s going to take off next?
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My aim was tongue in cheek with my last comment. While I sure as heck believed in the early to mid 80's material I never saw this rocket ship coming. Nobody did. I figured I could spend the next five years buying it up. Well, I got one and a half in. While I do believe in the 1981 to 1985 period staunchly, I also believe pricing right now is just bat shit crazy. I don't think I have ever predicted a drop in legit unopened material and especially FASC but I'm leery abut where the market is right now. So, we'll see. I'm not talking 1980 and earlier. That stuff is in a league by itself.
Then, you have 1986 on up, which has also blasted off.. There is no real shortage of product as we all know but there is also no shortage of interest in it. So ... all bets are off. This stuff probably flattens out? But I don't think it ever goes back to $10 for a 1987 Topps wax box. Nah I think those days ore ova.
ISO 1978 Topps Baseball in NM-MT High Grade Raw 3, 100, 103, 302, 347, 376, 416, 466, 481, 487, 509, 534, 540, 554, 579, 580, 622, 642, 673, 724__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ISO 1978 O-Pee-Chee in NM-MT High Grade Raw12, 21, 29, 38, 49, 65, 69, 73, 74, 81, 95, 100, 104, 110, 115, 122, 132, 133, 135, 140, 142, 151, 153, 155, 160, 161, 167, 168, 172, 179, 181, 196, 200, 204, 210, 224, 231, 240
1984 Fleer Update BBCE wrapped sold for $1,255. Time to get mine wrapped.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1984-Fleer-Update-Baseball-Factory-Set-BBCE-Clemens-Puckett-Gooden-Rookie/293621355136?hash=item445d325280:g:LOMAAOSw9~Ne7r-L
I think they only do that under certain conditions. I don't believe people can send in non-factory sealed traded sets and get them sealed. I suspect that set came from either a sealed case or the remnants of a sealed case that they purchased and felt strong enough about the provenance and that they weren't searched that they wrapped them.
Arthur
Didn't Reed say he picked up a case from that auction in Chicago a few years ago? Vaguely remember something along those lines.
Early to mid-1980s unopened BBCE FASC is exploding.
I just purchased the 1989 UD factory sealed set from BBCE. They are all out now. Their inventory is quite thin. There are no 1986 Topps wax boxes, for example.
JWBlue,
BBCE does not wrap unsealed sets that they have not taken out of a sealed case themselves. People send them sealed factory cases of stuff and BBCE opens it and wraps all the sets or wax boxes individually.
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