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Tesla at $550...what does it tell you about the car market, the equities market, the bond market...

CoinstartledCoinstartled Posts: 10,177 ✭✭✭✭✭

...and the economy in general?

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  • HemisphericalHemispherical Posts: 9,370 ✭✭✭✭✭

    $ available for all kinds of “hobbies”

  • CoinstartledCoinstartled Posts: 10,177 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 14, 2020 7:04AM

    I always figured that it was better to have no P/E than a three or 4 digit P/E.

  • derrybderryb Posts: 30,702 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 14, 2020 8:26AM

    clearly defines irrational exuberance.

    The next Boeing 737 Max.

    If I keep shrinking the value of the dollar, it makes it look like your stock portfolio is growing. But if you then take your stock portfolio and measure it in gold. . . - Peter Schiff

  • Dave99BDave99B Posts: 7,051 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Very little. What it DOES tell me is this: There is a TON of short covering underway. A TON!

    Dave

    Always looking for original, better date VF20-VF35 Barber quarters and halves, and a quality beer.
  • OPAOPA Posts: 16,369 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It tells me, once again, I missed the boat on this one. :(

    "Bongo drive 1984 Lincoln that looks like old coin dug from ground."
  • metalmeistermetalmeister Posts: 4,267 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I am rooting for my space buddy Elon even though I only own a few shares in a mutual fund. The economy is on a Trump roll. Corporate Tax Cut, Repatriation of corporate Billions, Cutting Obama Era over reach regulations and most important "The Global slow down" makes our currency strong and our equities rise even with Trillions in unfunded debt.

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  • blitzdudeblitzdude Posts: 3,149 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 14, 2020 7:34PM

    Sounds like either the smart money believes electric vehicles are the future or the equity market is an overinflated pig.

    Edit: Forgot to add the "Trump roll" Bankrupted everything he touched, looking like America will be no different.

  • cohodkcohodk Posts: 16,549 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nothing.


    Excuses are tools of the ignorant
    Knowledge is the enemy of fear
  • renman95renman95 Posts: 6,975 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @blitzdude said:
    Sounds like either the smart money believes electric vehicles are the future or the equity market is an overinflated pig.

    Edit: Forgot to add the "Trump roll" Bankrupted everything he touched, looking like America will be no different.

    InnodefenseofTrumpwhatsover,remember,Barrytookitfrom$10Tto$19T.

    HE>i


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  • blitzdudeblitzdude Posts: 3,149 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @renman95 said:
    InnodefenseofTrumpwhatsover,remember,Barrytookitfrom$10Tto$19T.

    Yup Barry was handed the previous clowns great recession. Gump was handed a booming economy. Some are born on 3rd and think they hit a triple.

  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 25,258 ✭✭✭✭✭

    and about the precious metals market ???

    Current maintainer of Stone's Master List of Favorite Websites // My BST transactions
  • dpooledpoole Posts: 5,808 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Piles of cash looking for something...anything that might do something big. Musk looks like the magician who will do magic yet again. Great place for a roll of the dice.

    That seems to be where the market is right now.

  • derrybderryb Posts: 30,702 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 14, 2020 8:40PM

    If I keep shrinking the value of the dollar, it makes it look like your stock portfolio is growing. But if you then take your stock portfolio and measure it in gold. . . - Peter Schiff

  • derrybderryb Posts: 30,702 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 15, 2020 9:45PM

    Duh. . .thank the repo bailout since October. Repo bailout bubble in progress.

    If I keep shrinking the value of the dollar, it makes it look like your stock portfolio is growing. But if you then take your stock portfolio and measure it in gold. . . - Peter Schiff

  • renman95renman95 Posts: 6,975 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @blitzdude said:

    @renman95 said:
    InnodefenseofTrumpwhatsover,remember,Barrytookitfrom$10Tto$19T.

    Yup Barry was handed the previous clowns great recession. Gump was handed a booming economy. Some are born on 3rd and think they hit a triple.

    youmakeitsoundlikebarryhadnoinputintothe$10trillionindebtexpansion.notoncedidbarryhaveasingleyearof-gdp-above3%,firsttimeinamericanhistory.sohedidnothandoveraboomingeconomy.ifanything,barrykeepthebrakesonaslongaspossible.

    HE>i


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  • derrybderryb Posts: 30,702 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It all started with George Washington.

    If I keep shrinking the value of the dollar, it makes it look like your stock portfolio is growing. But if you then take your stock portfolio and measure it in gold. . . - Peter Schiff

  • cohodkcohodk Posts: 16,549 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @renman95 said:

    @blitzdude said:

    @renman95 said:
    InnodefenseofTrumpwhatsover,remember,Barrytookitfrom$10Tto$19T.

    Yup Barry was handed the previous clowns great recession. Gump was handed a booming economy. Some are born on 3rd and think they hit a triple.

    youmakeitsoundlikebarryhadnoinputintothe$10trillionindebtexpansion.notoncedidbarryhaveasingleyearof-gdp-above3%,firsttimeinamericanhistory.sohedidnothandoveraboomingeconomy.ifanything,barrykeepthebrakesonaslongaspossible.

    Do you know what GDP averaged under Obama and what it has averaged under Trump?


    Excuses are tools of the ignorant
    Knowledge is the enemy of fear
  • jmski52jmski52 Posts: 20,737 ✭✭✭✭✭

    $23.18 trillion sure seems like a big number. So does $550 for a share of Tesla.

    Q: Are You Printing Money? Bernanke: Not Literally

    I knew it would happen.
  • CoinstartledCoinstartled Posts: 10,177 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @derryb said:
    It all started with George Washington.

    He encourage Franklin to work on an electric car.

  • renman95renman95 Posts: 6,975 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @cohodk said:

    @renman95 said:

    @blitzdude said:

    @renman95 said:
    InnodefenseofTrumpwhatsover,remember,Barrytookitfrom$10Tto$19T.

    Yup Barry was handed the previous clowns great recession. Gump was handed a booming economy. Some are born on 3rd and think they hit a triple.

    youmakeitsoundlikebarryhadnoinputintothe$10trillionindebtexpansion.notoncedidbarryhaveasingleyearof-gdp-above3%,firsttimeinamericanhistory.sohedidnothandoveraboomingeconomy.ifanything,barrykeepthebrakesonaslongaspossible.

    Do you know what GDP averaged under Obama and what it has averaged under Trump?

    Yes,i'veseenanywherefrom1.4%to2.1%dependingonstart/finish.Trump:2.7%,2.9%for2018,2019respectively.

    HE>i


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  • cohodkcohodk Posts: 16,549 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @renman95 said:

    @cohodk said:

    @renman95 said:

    @blitzdude said:

    @renman95 said:
    InnodefenseofTrumpwhatsover,remember,Barrytookitfrom$10Tto$19T.

    Yup Barry was handed the previous clowns great recession. Gump was handed a booming economy. Some are born on 3rd and think they hit a triple.

    youmakeitsoundlikebarryhadnoinputintothe$10trillionindebtexpansion.notoncedidbarryhaveasingleyearof-gdp-above3%,firsttimeinamericanhistory.sohedidnothandoveraboomingeconomy.ifanything,barrykeepthebrakesonaslongaspossible.

    Do you know what GDP averaged under Obama and what it has averaged under Trump?

    Yes,i'veseenanywherefrom1.4%to2.1%dependingonstart/finish.Trump:2.7%,2.9%for2018,2019respectively.

    You probably should do more research. Did you know Obama had a 5.5% quarter? And no it wasnt just after the 2009 bottom.

    When all is said and done, GDP growth will be very similar, even though Trump will have run much higher deficits.


    Excuses are tools of the ignorant
    Knowledge is the enemy of fear
  • renman95renman95 Posts: 6,975 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @cohodk said:

    @renman95 said:

    @cohodk said:

    @renman95 said:

    @blitzdude said:

    @renman95 said:
    InnodefenseofTrumpwhatsover,remember,Barrytookitfrom$10Tto$19T.

    Yup Barry was handed the previous clowns great recession. Gump was handed a booming economy. Some are born on 3rd and think they hit a triple.

    youmakeitsoundlikebarryhadnoinputintothe$10trillionindebtexpansion.notoncedidbarryhaveasingleyearof-gdp-above3%,firsttimeinamericanhistory.sohedidnothandoveraboomingeconomy.ifanything,barrykeepthebrakesonaslongaspossible.

    Do you know what GDP averaged under Obama and what it has averaged under Trump?

    Yes,i'veseenanywherefrom1.4%to2.1%dependingonstart/finish.Trump:2.7%,2.9%for2018,2019respectively.

    You probably should do more research. Did you know Obama had a 5.5% quarter? And no it wasnt just after the 2009 bottom.

    When all is said and done, GDP growth will be very similar, even though Trump will have run much higher deficits.

    why?yes.so?barrystillhadthelowestaverage-gdp-,overaneightyearpresidency,ever.hooray-yippeeforhis5.5%quarter.itdidn'tamounttomuch.trumpisnobetterthanobamawhenitcomestodeficits.hesaidhe'dlowerthemlikecomradebarrysaidhewouldin2008.liars,bothofthem.

    HE>i


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  • CoinstartledCoinstartled Posts: 10,177 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think Adam gummed up his keyboard. Or maybe it was hummus.

  • cohodkcohodk Posts: 16,549 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Coinstartled said:
    I think Adam gummed up his keyboard. Or maybe it was hummus.

    Given his profession, its most likely the long term effects of excessive exposure to cosmic rays.


    Excuses are tools of the ignorant
    Knowledge is the enemy of fear
  • derrybderryb Posts: 30,702 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 17, 2020 9:15PM

    GDP is an historical artifact from an industrial economy that doesn’t really serve its purpose anymore, at least in the US.

    We mistakenly expect GDP to measure what it no longer can: "manufacturing is still 35% of GDP, but fewer than 9% of US workers are actually involved in that manufacturing."

    GDP says there's no recession. . . to those who fail to see it's weakened value in determining the true strength/weakness of an economy. It's like using hoolahoop sales to determine growth.

    If I keep shrinking the value of the dollar, it makes it look like your stock portfolio is growing. But if you then take your stock portfolio and measure it in gold. . . - Peter Schiff

  • renman95renman95 Posts: 6,975 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @PerryHall said:

    @renman95 said:

    @cohodk said:

    @renman95 said:

    @cohodk said:

    @renman95 said:

    @blitzdude said:

    @renman95 said:
    InnodefenseofTrumpwhatsover,remember,Barrytookitfrom$10Tto$19T.

    Yup Barry was handed the previous clowns great recession. Gump was handed a booming economy. Some are born on 3rd and think they hit a triple.

    youmakeitsoundlikebarryhadnoinputintothe$10trillionindebtexpansion.notoncedidbarryhaveasingleyearof-gdp-above3%,firsttimeinamericanhistory.sohedidnothandoveraboomingeconomy.ifanything,barrykeepthebrakesonaslongaspossible.

    Do you know what GDP averaged under Obama and what it has averaged under Trump?

    Yes,i'veseenanywherefrom1.4%to2.1%dependingonstart/finish.Trump:2.7%,2.9%for2018,2019respectively.

    You probably should do more research. Did you know Obama had a 5.5% quarter? And no it wasnt just after the 2009 bottom.

    When all is said and done, GDP growth will be very similar, even though Trump will have run much higher deficits.

    why?yes.so?barrystillhadthelowestaverage-gdp-,overaneightyearpresidency,ever.hooray-yippeeforhis5.5%quarter.itdidn'tamounttomuch.trumpisnobetterthanobamawhenitcomestodeficits.hesaidhe'dlowerthemlikecomradebarrysaidhewouldin2008.liars,bothofthem.

    Are you trying to be cute and clever? I'm not going to waste my time trying to read this. Try using the space key between words next time.

    I'm
    neither
    cute
    nor
    clever.
    My
    spacebar
    is
    jammed.
    Lighten
    up
    WinterGarden
    ;-)

    HE>i


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  • CoinstartledCoinstartled Posts: 10,177 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Don't worry Perry..
    Led the Munchkin jeer..
    As with the Witch of the West..
    Renski has no power here.

    Slipper Shave!

  • cohodkcohodk Posts: 16,549 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @derryb said:
    GDP is an historical artifact from an industrial economy that doesn’t really serve its purpose anymore, at least in the US.

    We mistakenly expect GDP to measure what it no longer can: "manufacturing is still 35% of GDP, but fewer than 9% of US workers are actually involved in that manufacturing."

    GDP says there's no recession. . . to those who fail to see it's weakened value in determining the true strength/weakness of an economy. It's like using hoolahoop sales to determine growth.

    So if GDP only measures a minority interest of the economy, it is quite possible that it underestimates growth.


    Excuses are tools of the ignorant
    Knowledge is the enemy of fear
  • derrybderryb Posts: 30,702 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Your question was answered in what I said. Pay attention.

    If I keep shrinking the value of the dollar, it makes it look like your stock portfolio is growing. But if you then take your stock portfolio and measure it in gold. . . - Peter Schiff

  • cohodkcohodk Posts: 16,549 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @derryb said:
    Your question was answered in what I said. Pay attention.

    Oh hear ya Mr. Gloom and Doom. Your "weakened" words. Just making sure you got your eyes open.


    Excuses are tools of the ignorant
    Knowledge is the enemy of fear
  • derrybderryb Posts: 30,702 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 18, 2020 5:18AM

    One more time Mr. Sunshine: "it's weakened value in determining the true strength/weakness of an economy."

    If I keep shrinking the value of the dollar, it makes it look like your stock portfolio is growing. But if you then take your stock portfolio and measure it in gold. . . - Peter Schiff

  • cohodkcohodk Posts: 16,549 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @derryb said:
    One more time Mr. Sunshine: "it's weakened value in determining the true strength/weakness of an economy."

    So just understand which is more likely. Eyes open!!


    Excuses are tools of the ignorant
    Knowledge is the enemy of fear
  • dpooledpoole Posts: 5,808 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Cohodk and Derryb
    Should be much more lighthearted.
    They chase each other ‘round the tree
    And end up where they started. ;)

    Burma Shave

  • CoinstartledCoinstartled Posts: 10,177 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 18, 2020 1:20PM

    The long and winding road..
    Far from urban sprawl..
    Can be a daunting trip..
    With a car, a plug, and no wall.

    Burma Shave

  • dpooledpoole Posts: 5,808 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If people will their money spend
    And heed not the PM Boards,
    They’ll soon have naught but their Depends
    As their finance rewards.

    Burma Shave

  • CoinstartledCoinstartled Posts: 10,177 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Working hard and investing well..
    Is a path to riches, kiddo..
    But retire early and have some fun..
    Or you'll leave a wealthy widow.

    Tahiti Shave

  • CoinstartledCoinstartled Posts: 10,177 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It is against decorum..
    To double post a Shave..
    But as a 10,000th entry..
    The checkered flag we wave!

    Burma Shave!

  • renman95renman95 Posts: 6,975 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Coinstartled said:
    Don't worry Perry..
    Led the Munchkin jeer..
    As with the Witch of the West..
    Renski has no power here.

    Slipper Shave!

    Coinstarlet,-really?
    A-mod-you-are-not
    Behind-the-curtain
    You-qiver-with-fraught

    Borrow-smoe-courage
    Use-your-brain
    Have-a-heart
    No-time-to-feign

    You-can-run
    But-you-cannot-hide
    Apologize-to-my-Ohana
    For-damage-you-applied

    Be-a-mensch
    And-let-this-end
    Just-simply-say...
    I'm-sorry-Ren

    Burma-Shave!

    HE>i


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  • CoinstartledCoinstartled Posts: 10,177 ✭✭✭✭✭

    At least at CU..
    We have a quorum..
    What you need though..
    Is a whiners forum!

    Space Bar Shave!

  • jmski52jmski52 Posts: 20,737 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I've never seen a purple cow
    I never hope to see one
    But just the same
    I'd rather see a purple cow
    than be one.

    That's all I got...

    Q: Are You Printing Money? Bernanke: Not Literally

    I knew it would happen.
  • bidaskbidask Posts: 12,121 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @OPA said:
    It tells me, once again, I missed the boat on this one. :(

    At least your honest which will serve you in your investing endeavors in the future

    @jmski52 said:
    $23.18 trillion sure seems like a big number. So does $550 for a share of Tesla.

    I tend to agree.

    I manage money. I earn money. I save money .
    I give away money. I collect money.
    I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.




  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 41,930 ✭✭✭✭✭

    it all tells me to keep dancing.

  • dpooledpoole Posts: 5,808 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 27, 2020 8:51AM

    Tesla investors are like Dems and Pubs now. Either people believe that Tesla is the New Apple and will take over the world of electric cars and trucks, or that this is a bubble extraordinaire, that the value underpinnings are just not there and won't ever be, and are shorting the stock like crazy. There seems to be no middle ground.

  • StorkStork Posts: 4,963 ✭✭✭✭✭

    LOVE my car, hate the stock (and if I had any I'd be selling).

    And it is kind of like driving a smart phone--well switching from my flip phone to an iPhone the first time, but here I went from being a manual transmission snob to driving a single gear. A serious mind shift that goes pretty easily actually.

    Then again, there were times Amazon looked like this. And, if for some reason, the other companies decide it's easier to license an adapter for the Superchargers instead of trying to build out a second network, there might be some good money involved. Shoot if Volkswagen goes that route it would be kind of genius seeing as they are going pretty much all in for electric too. THAT would be an interesting partnership.

    In any case, it is entertaining to watch. I mean that dang truck was fabulous marketing move. He basically just monetized his R&D department right then. And if he'd called it the 'cyber vehicle' instead of a 'cyber truck' it might have been even more cool. Truck has a fairly standard mental picture associated and 'vehicle' would have made it a more flexible concept. Not sure I want one, but I'd take the model Y in a heartbeat.


  • renman95renman95 Posts: 6,975 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Coinstartled said:
    At least at CU..
    We have a quorum..
    What you need though..
    Is a whiners forum!

    Space Bar Shave!

    Smoe irony. o:)

    HE>i


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  • JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 20,406 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 29, 2020 3:31PM

    and 15 days later this stock has gone up another $100. It just touched $649 in after hours. Up $66 after it reported. This hasn’t been the easiest stock to hold but.........This is a such a pure technology play. The car part is only part of the story.

    I just bought my first all electric vehicle ( not a Tesla) and It’s the best car decision Ive ever made. The torque is mind bending.

    m

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  • cohodkcohodk Posts: 16,549 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 29, 2020 7:20PM

    @Justacommeman said:

    I just bought my first all electric vehicle ( not a Tesla) and It’s the best car decision Ive ever made. The torque is mind bending.

    m

    Does the whole car twist and rumble when you step on the accelerator?


    Excuses are tools of the ignorant
    Knowledge is the enemy of fear
  • JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 20,406 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 29, 2020 8:06PM

    @cohodk said:

    @Justacommeman said:

    I just bought my first all electric vehicle ( not a Tesla) and It’s the best car decision Ive ever made. The torque is mind bending.

    m

    Does the whole car twist and rumble when you step on the accelerator?

    Nope. The front end raises up a few inches in silence simultaneously as you stomp on the accelerator as it hurtles 0-60 in about 4.4 seconds. Maybe faster. My wife claims whiplash. I claim awesomeness and neck braces are underrated. A literal blast to drive. Two motors.

    m

    Walker Proof Digital Album
    Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
  • The robots will be building new robots and factories for them to work in and thy will make solar panels and batteries to power the robots and the factories. 10010010101011101010010001001010100101011101001001001010010001001

    There are lots of people out there with money problems which have turned into food problems. If you can, please consider donating to your local food bank or any organization that is trying to feed those less fortunate.

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