PCGS slabs Daniel Carr! Way to go! You rock!
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@U1chicago posted photos of his first slabbed @dcarr piece in the Dan Carrs latest thread but I thought this warranted its own thread.
It's only fitting that a 2007 Amero is among the first pieces as design discussion for those pieces happened on these very forums.
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Will they slab all of them? What about the after hours minted stuff?
https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/quarters/washington-quarters-major-sets/washington-quarters-date-set-circulation-strikes-1932-present/publishedset/209923
https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/quarters/washington-quarters-major-sets/washington-quarters-date-set-circulation-strikes-1932-present/album/209923
Here is what @dcarr mentioned in the other thread:
"This is the first instance I am aware of where PCGS has slabbed something that I produced.
For some time now, the official PCGS position has been that they will slab exonumia that is listed in certain catalogs. One of the specified catalogs is the Krause "Unusual World Coins", 6th edition, "United States" section.
The piece shown in this thread does not exactly meet those qualifications, but it is close. The 2007 Ameros coins are listed in the "Union of North America" section of the same catalog.
"X#Pn24" is the Krause catalog number for that "coin".
Note that the catalog has listings for most of the 2008, 2009, and 2010 Ameros. The most recent (and possibly the last) 6th edition of that catalog came out in 2010 or 2011. So it would not include any listings newer than that.
Other potentially-eligible items listed in that catalog are Gallery Mint reproductions and NORFED dollars 2007 and earlier.
The United States section also has things listed in these sub-categories: "Daniel Carr Prototype State Quarter"; "Daniel Carr Parody State Quarter"; "Daniel Carr Prototype Dollars"; and "Daniel Carr Trade Dollars".
In the "Daniel Carr Prototype Dollars" section is also found listings for "1964-D" Peace Dollar, "1975" Eisenhower Dollar, and "1975-D" Eisenhower Dollar. For some reason there is no listing for the "1970" Eisenhower Dollar fantasy-date over-strike which was also produced at the same time.
The "1964-D" over-strike Peace is cataloged as " X # 383 " . Maybe someone should try again submitting one ?"
How much money does PCGS leave on the table by refusing to certify Dcarr pieces? Seriously! They are now a celebrated part of many collectors' holdings, and I see no reason not to certify and slab them with other exonumia. They could use Dan's continuously updated virtual catalog on his own site to accomplish this. (Would probably be even better if Dan assigned attribution numbers to his pieces.)
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This is going to be an interesting thread, no doubt.
I hope this is a joke. Are they also slabbing the NORFED guy's coins too? What about the Omega man's?
Edited: Is this limited to his "novelty" pieces or are the overstrikes included too?
I'm glad the word "fantasy" appears on the label.
Should "Fantasy" be on the label of the 1913 Liberty nickel which was an unauthorized issue?
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It's about time!
Carr stuff is better quality and more interesting by far than what the Mint puts out.
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I would love to see some of my rarer Carr pieces in a PCGS slab!
Dan's products are of excellent quality, both in artistic presentation and manufacturing. I have a few pieces and will get more. Glad to see that our hosts are slabbing these now. Cheers, RickO
It's interesting that the denomination starts with "P" for "P100 Am". I would imagine "S" for Silver would be more fitting? P sounds like Platinum. Anyone know what P stands for here?
P for Pattern?
(It doesn’t really fit but it’s the only thing that comes to mind).
Maybe. I'm still baffled as to why none of them have been confiscated, but that's for another thread.
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No prongs either... Sweet!
PCGS should be allowing us to slab and set these hard to get products. I would send in a ton of stuff if I could use them in Sets
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For those who are opposed to these being slabbed, could you please explain why?
Obviously some people like to collect them. I don't, but more power to those that do. It's more business for PCGS. And sometimes there are comments that someone could be scammed not knowing that these are fantasy pieces. Grading and labeling makes it very clearly exactly what they are, reducing possible confusion. So I'm not really seeing any negatives beyond one's individual personal preference, but perhaps I'm missing something.
The "P" may refer to the Proof-Like version as opposed to the "Satin"??
Not sure if PCGS v. ANACS makes a difference to me.
I am against it because they are not coins. But I guess they are really no different than So Called Dollars. Everyone should be able to collect what they like.
That’s it I am here to CONFISCATE ALL OF DC Creations I will PM you my address. Kindly package them up carefully and send them to my address! That’s an order.
Anyone know what all is allowed to be graded yet? I have a few I may send in..
I wouldn't say I'm "opposed" to slabbing privately made little round disks, (covering all the bases).
But I think PCGS is taking on a little risk. The grading is one thing...it's the authenticity that could become an issue. Just opening up a Krause book, saying, "Yeah, that looks like it", and certifying it as "authentic" seems questionable to me.
With all of the possible manufacturers, with the range of quality, workmanship, and methods, it's pretty hard to take on the role of being the "expert" on all of them. Particularly if you've never actually SEEN one before.
Why does this matter? If a certain low production issue suddenly becomes popular, (and expensive), I can imagine the counterfeiters are sure to follow. Now, just "looks like the one in the book" isn't nearly enough "expertise" any longer.
Guess it's certainly their call to make. But they may want to be careful?!
Same risk as with all other exonumia.
Dan exhaustively documents his products in his production blog. There could be a time when it is economically reasonable to counterfeit them with the identified markers. But that is not now. Valuations would need to really take off and the production would need to be pretty much duplicating what he does. I am guessing he also has additional markers left undisclosed that he could relate to authenticators. Just my 0.16 bits.
If they were going to confiscate the Amero's they would have done so in 2007 or 2008 when news of these pieces hit the National Media.
I bought one of the 2007 before it did, I liked the design and the price was right.
When the consiracy theories first started during George W Bush administration people believed that a new world order was about to start, and there were rumors that AMERO coins were being produced in secret, there was talk, about this for weeks.
I believe that Dan at that time had already talked with the media.
I decided to put mine on eBay at the time it was in the press, to the laugh's here on the board, until it sold for a nice price at the time. The laughing stopped, I went back to buy more and they were sold out. Now I wish I had kept it.
As far as I know Dan was not in any trouble with the government as the media reports stopped..
Checked it out. I'm sure there's a thread or two around that explains it all.
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I want to do smoe Registries, DC style.
I was looking around to see what other Carr material may have been graded.
Interestingly, the coin that's the subject of this thread is erroneously listed by PCGS under "Canada"
https://www.pcgs.com/pop/detail/category/4454?l=100-1976-2011&ccid=4454&sn=804121&pn=-63&ps=-1
There's a placeholder entry under "PCGS Population Report - World" (https://www.pcgs.com/pop/worldcoins) for Union of North America, but no entries are present.
As far as I can tell, nothing else by Carr has been slabbed by PCGS. The 1964-D Peace is eligible as it is listed as X#383 in "Krause Unusuals listed in the US Section, from the reference "Unusual World Coins, 6th Edition" by Krause Publications" and PCGS has identified this as a list of coins / tokens eligible for grading.
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@U1chicago's coin in the OP is still a pop 0/1/0 so nothing else has been slabbed.
It would be interesting to slab some. I wonder if PCGS will cross them from ANACS?
Regarding the 1964 Peace Dollar, I hope PCGS starts slabbing them soon given how much interest there is!
Seems like PCGS is leaving a ton of money on the table by failing to slab these with other exonumia.
I mean, why not?
ANACS slabs are the worst, and they are enjoying exclusivity among the Carr fanatics.
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There are certain ones PCGS says they’ll grade, i.e. those listed in Krause Unusuals listed in the US Section, from the reference "Unusual World Coins, 6th Edition" by Krause Publications.
I’m thinking people have not sent them in for grading.
Has anyone submitted to PCGS and had the submission rejected?
I plan on submitting my two early 1964-D Peace dollars for grading this week. (By early, I mean Die Pair 6...not the ones that came out early 2020 — Die Pair 9.)
He who knows he has enough is rich.
@cardinal submitted a 1964 Peace Dollar a while back and it wasn’t slabbed. Not sure how long ago.
I submitted one 8-10 monthS back. They returned it in a flip saying they don’t grade these.
But, I did get some pics from the photography Dept. They sent me a few different others
that didn’t slab and some that did, asking which pics I liked. Better before they sent the trueviews
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Nice, so do you have 1964 Peace photos from Phil @PCGSPhoto and team?
Only rough images. Not put together. I received Images for several and
choose which they would make trueviews of.
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Can I ask...when you submitted it, did you reference the Unusual World Coins? PCGS says themselves they recognize this source. They will even slab the “Squared Quarters” by Andor Orand and I’ve seen a number in PCGS slabs for sale
He who knows he has enough is rich.
Regarding the 1964-D Peace Dollar strikings, their legality in their current unmarked state has never been established one way or the other. PCGS must consider the possibility that at some point in the future they might be ruled to be illegal before they begin certifying them.
@philographer It was back in March/April. Of this year.
Yes. I included a copy of the page.
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The last Unusual World Coins that I could find was 6th edition published in 2011.
Well, just Love coins, period.
Yes, that’s the cited reference.
He who knows he has enough is rich.
I have a couple D. Carr pieces that I would prefer to have in PCGS plastic.
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I guess it's time I submit these... I have some more around here, somewhere....
i have so many Daniel Carr issues that I had to stop buying them as I ran out of room to store them.
This is a slippery slope. I hope PCGS does not become the new ICG... There are literally threads where people try to find something that ICG wouldn't slab.
PCGS is certainly expanding what they slab. When I started coming to the PCGS boards, PCGS didn't slab Bashlow Confederate Cent restrikes, So-Called Dollars, Civil War tokens, and other exonumia whereas they do now. Lately, it seems PCGS is at least slabbing more older exonumia pieces now as well. Otherwise, collections like the William Sphon Baker / Historical Society of Pennsylvania collection probably wouldn't have gone to PCGS. More recently, I note that PCGS is slabbing ANA medals now and I have some to send them, including a few gold ones.
They slab your dogs dinner from yesterday if there’s money in it. Also.... these things must be mind numbing to actually grade. Is it 69 or 70 hmmmmmmmmmmm
I am grateful PCGS is opening up its doors a bit to other cool collectible coins.
I too remember that thread though on the items ICG was slabbing! I wish I could find that thread now!
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